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Post by ************** on Feb 7, 2015 18:31:37 GMT
I often wonder how many more pressures and burdens can be placed on people before they react and come out fighting. And I always arrive at the same conclusion. I think that the whole scenario will have to get many, many times worse before any serious challenge to the current system is made and it certainly won't be in my lifetime, that's for sure. We are living in some sort of digital dark age where the once free tools of democracy - the press and the internet in particular - have been well and truly turned against the people in the name of the war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on ISIS, the war on obesity, the war on *insert problem here*... The second half of the twentieth century really was a peach, this century, so far, sucks. If the lights went out across Europe and the people were told that it was caused by the earth's polarity switching, people would just swallow it. They would. That's how powerful the manipulation has become. Real truths in sufficient context are so hard to get at these days, I no longer think that anybody can be certain about anything any more. That's why I like football so much, it's innocent. Careful mate...some on here will be calling you a conspiracy theorist It's all Noam Chomsky's fault. Either him or Keanu Reeves.
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Post by desman2 on Feb 7, 2015 18:36:35 GMT
The Euro might be suited to the industrial north of Europe but its certainly crippled the south where the economies were seriously boosted by tourism. Once the cheaper holidays went in these countries the trouble started and people from all countries decided they could go somewhere better for the same price as it costs to go to these countries now.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Feb 7, 2015 19:42:53 GMT
Glad it's not just me Clifton I'll buy you a pint in the not too distant old boy. I'm down today, got drawn into a fight in a bar last night as well. I have lumps on my head today and a small shiner. The missus took a misdirected punch in the arm as well. What about, are you going to say you should see the other skin, ,
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Post by basingstokie on Feb 7, 2015 19:57:32 GMT
But they voted for the party that said 'end austerity, restructure the debt', did they think Merkel et al would just forget about their debt? Presumably they'll ask for a write off/restructuring, Europe will say no, they then have to decide whether to leave of their own accord, pay in accordance with current schedule of repayments, or just don't pay and see what Europe will do. Europe will have to restructure the debt because they've had their bluff successfully called. Tsipras has said restructure, not renege. I'm not sure we will. It's already been restructured, extended and had write offs. There comes a point where we have to stop throwing money at them endlessly as they haven't proven fiscal responsibility as far as I can see so far.
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Post by ************** on Feb 7, 2015 20:52:33 GMT
I'll buy you a pint in the not too distant old boy. I'm down today, got drawn into a fight in a bar last night as well. I have lumps on my head today and a small shiner. The missus took a misdirected punch in the arm as well. What about, are you going to say you should see the other skin, , Lets just say that he needed a fair few stitches and that two of the knuckles on my right hand are a cm out of alignment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 20:58:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 21:22:51 GMT
Not sure if they've done it recently but, I know that a poll taken in 2011 was 70%.....is the telegraph going off that one?
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Post by ************** on Feb 9, 2015 10:34:59 GMT
Not sure if they've done it recently but, I know that a poll taken in 2011 was 70%.....is the telegraph going off that one? Just because you smashed a couple of kebabs down your gulliver on a Friday night after failing to pull in the Place back in the Eighties doesn't give you the automatic right to be the Oatcake's "Greek Correspondent". Although you do look a bit like Zorba, it must be said.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 10:59:24 GMT
Not sure if they've done it recently but, I know that a poll taken in 2011 was 70%.....is the telegraph going off that one? Just because you smashed a couple of kebabs down your gulliver on a Friday night after failing to pull in the Place back in the Eighties doesn't give you the automatic right to be the Oatcake's "Greek Correspondent". Although you do look a bit like Zorba, it must be said. Surely the Greeks don't call them " Kebabs" mate ?......The Greeks call them "Souvlakia" I believe ? They get quite Irate if you call them Kebabs .....it's anti Turkish thing !
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Post by redstriper on Feb 9, 2015 11:09:38 GMT
Europe will have to restructure the debt because they've had their bluff successfully called. Tsipras has said restructure, not renege. I'm not sure we will. It's already been restructured, extended and had write offs. There comes a point where we have to stop throwing money at them endlessly as they haven't proven fiscal responsibility as far as I can see so far. They are the far left, they will never have any fiscal responsibility. It may well end in tears, but its going to be fascinating to see how it pans out...
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Post by basingstokie on Feb 9, 2015 12:40:57 GMT
I'm not sure we will. It's already been restructured, extended and had write offs. There comes a point where we have to stop throwing money at them endlessly as they haven't proven fiscal responsibility as far as I can see so far. They are the far left, they will never have any fiscal responsibility. It may well end in tears, but its going to be fascinating to see how it pans out... Unfortunately I think you are right, it is also a problem in this country. When times (ie cash receipts) are good then you should put money away for a rainy day (recession), sadly the last Labour Government used strong cash receipts to create expensive outgoings (tax credits) which were used to bribe the electorate into voting for them. Unfortunately a major downside of our Political system is that those in power necessarily have to think in 5 year (short term) cycles, rather than what is best for the LT future of our country. Norway used their oil boom to create a sovereign fund to invest in all sorts of things which will generate income in the LT. We have been selling off our national assets (British Gas, British Telecom, British Rail, British Airways) like there is no tomorrow in order to generate short term cash gain and hence bribe the electorate into voting for the current incumbents again. It shows a complete lack of fiscal responsibility on the part of the powers that be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 12:47:18 GMT
To think, if labour had got in again instead of the coalition we may have been in a very similar position by now
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Post by ************** on Feb 10, 2015 3:46:51 GMT
Just because you smashed a couple of kebabs down your gulliver on a Friday night after failing to pull in the Place back in the Eighties doesn't give you the automatic right to be the Oatcake's "Greek Correspondent". Although you do look a bit like Zorba, it must be said. Surely the Greeks don't call them " Kebabs" mate ?......The Greeks call them "Souvlakia" I believe ? They get quite Irate if you call them Kebabs .....it's anti Turkish thing ! Souvlaki have chips in them. How is that right?
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 10, 2015 4:11:24 GMT
Surely the Greeks don't call them " Kebabs" mate ?......The Greeks call them "Souvlakia" I believe ? They get quite Irate if you call them Kebabs .....it's anti Turkish thing ! Souvlaki have chips in them. How is that right? It's not. What was your ding-dong all about!?!
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Post by ************** on Feb 10, 2015 4:12:31 GMT
Souvlaki have chips in them. How is that right? It's not. What was your ding-dong all about!?! eh?
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 10, 2015 4:17:01 GMT
Glad it's not just me Clifton I'll buy you a pint in the not too distant old boy. I'm down today, got drawn into a fight in a bar last night as well. I have lumps on my head today and a small shiner. The missus took a misdirected punch in the arm as well. This...
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Post by ************** on Feb 10, 2015 4:19:59 GMT
I'll buy you a pint in the not too distant old boy. I'm down today, got drawn into a fight in a bar last night as well. I have lumps on my head today and a small shiner. The missus took a misdirected punch in the arm as well. This... What
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 10, 2015 4:40:49 GMT
Glad it's not just me Clifton I'll buy you a pint in the not too distant old boy. I'm down today, got drawn into a fight in a bar last night as well. I have lumps on my head today and a small shiner. The missus took a misdirected punch in the arm as well. ^^^Read the above. What was your fight about^^^
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 10:54:26 GMT
Surely the Greeks don't call them " Kebabs" mate ?......The Greeks call them "Souvlakia" I believe ? They get quite Irate if you call them Kebabs .....it's anti Turkish thing ! Souvlaki have chips in them. How is that right? Where in Greece have you had Souvlalaki with Chips in it ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 14:57:23 GMT
EU are rumoured to be giving Greece another 6months grace on the bail out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 16:40:32 GMT
EU are rumoured to be giving Greece another 6months grace on the bail out. Postponing the inevitable I believe ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 17:31:14 GMT
EU are rumoured to be giving Greece another 6months grace on the bail out. Postponing the inevitable I believe ... I'm not sure they will allow them to leave Bish Someone up high in Greece will be tapped up or destroyed to make it so It's the way a super state is built I believe
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 17:53:34 GMT
Postponing the inevitable I believe ... I'm not sure they will allow them to leave Bish Someone up high in Greece will be tapped up or destroyed to make it so It's the way a super state is built I believe Possibly , we shall see
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 10, 2015 20:39:23 GMT
Due to the financial crisis Greece have had to stop all production of hummus and taramusolata it's a double dip recession
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 22:51:18 GMT
Due to the financial crisis Greece have had to stop all production of hummus and taramusolata it's a double dip recession Can you still get your Capers Harry ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 23:11:06 GMT
In the meantime Cameron is still banging the drum of renegotiating anew deal for us in Europe when he and the rest of the world knows that this is a complete joke. All he is achieving by doing this is driving many business people away from the Tories. Many are terrified at the prospect of the UK alienating itself from the rest of Europe regardless whether we leave it or not. What the future holds no one really knows ,but it may become a whole lot clearer once the fate of Greece's dilemma is eventually decided.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Feb 20, 2015 23:55:01 GMT
Deal just done, game on,
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 17, 2015 6:35:24 GMT
Now that the exit seems to be drawing nearer, what are the consequences for the UK the EU the Euro Greece?
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Post by redstriper on Jun 17, 2015 10:38:32 GMT
Now that the exit seems to be drawing nearer, what are the consequences for the UK the EU the Euro Greece? We will be in uncharted waters, expecting turmoil in the markets so I've cashed in some shares just in case, but my hope is that the UK will not be adversely affected overall, the pound may benefit.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 19, 2015 8:56:44 GMT
If Greece default and withdraw expect knock on effects throughout Europe. Some people may panic..cash in some bank shares and the whole deck of cards starts wobbling.
Yesterday over a £ 1 billion pounds was withdrawn from Greek Banks. And make no mistake this panic will not confine itself to Greece.
This is why The ECB (European Credit Bank funded in large part through Germany) and the IMF have been so lenient with Greece over the last 5 years ..lending them money just so they can pay off their debts to the ECB and the IMF...keeping them in the Eurozone.
Because they know that once out of the Loop (Eurozone) their banking system will probably collapse and drag other banking systems with it.
It's a bit like buying a few sweets to keep the sweet-shop open. Because once the sweet shop closes the whole distribution network collapses.
Expect the Balkan States to be particularly affected.
From a Political point of view expect the Russians to step in to support Greece if they leave the Loop. Any country in Europe that withdraws from the EU is grist to their mill. No wonder so many well heeled Greeks were out demonstrating yesterday.
What we need now is a calm measured response from the rest of Europe..not irresponsible politicians rocking the boat further for their own domestic political objectives.
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