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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2015 21:56:45 GMT
If our other form is irrelevant, he should have started our strongest team. Shawcross etc. i never said our other form was irrelevant mate,merely that theres a massive difference between "We're not bad enough to go down" and "Automatically must be starters in a european game isn't there? Is that all we're deciding you need now to guarantee a fighting chance in europe,being good enough to not finish in the bottom 3?? There's a huge gulf between the 2 things!! In terms of performance on the night,the team that played at the mestella were far better than the team that played valencia at the brit and the team that had just lost 5 games in a row before the away leg....how so many could say 2 years ago that SJW didn't deserve his place as TP should be picking on form rather than just his favourites and then on this thread do a complete about turn and slag him off for dropping players who were completely out of form at that time is beyond me! Out of interest, are you able to confirm if those players, who you maintain were so out of form given 5 straight defeats, were left out of the following weekends league fixtures? Given they were so out of form and given that their replacements performed so well in Valencia, surely your logic would have seen many of the Valencia team start the next game given that they had proven to be better than the regular team that had lost 5 in a row and had lost so tamely at home to Valencia? Your logic on this is beyond me but feel free to defend the indefensible.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2015 22:04:55 GMT
The players out of form who he started the next league game do you mean so played 5 lost 5 before that game = in form? Agreed so why start the majority of those players in the next league game , he bottled it in Valencia and we all know it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 22:07:32 GMT
i never said our other form was irrelevant mate,merely that theres a massive difference between "We're not bad enough to go down" and "Automatically must be starters in a european game isn't there? Is that all we're deciding you need now to guarantee a fighting chance in europe,being good enough to not finish in the bottom 3?? There's a huge gulf between the 2 things!! In terms of performance on the night,the team that played at the mestella were far better than the team that played valencia at the brit and the team that had just lost 5 games in a row before the away leg....how so many could say 2 years ago that SJW didn't deserve his place as TP should be picking on form rather than just his favourites and then on this thread do a complete about turn and slag him off for dropping players who were completely out of form at that time is beyond me! Out of interest, are you able to confirm if those players, who you maintain were so out of form given 5 straight defeats, were left out of the following weekends league fixtures? Given they were so out of form and given that their replacements performed so well in Valencia, surely your logic would have seen many of the Valencia team start the next game given that they had proven to be better than the regular team that had lost 5 in a row and had lost so tamely at home to Valencia? Your logic on this is beyond me but feel free to defend the indefensible. but the logic that the first team who had lost 5 in 5 and performed far worse against valencia previously should have been a shoe in is watertight is it??? I said earlier i was livid when i saw the squad announced but the reality and facts are that the team he chose not only performed far better than any of us expected but also far better than the team that played the home leg did as well. out of interest do you think the team that played away played worse than the team that played at the brit? He may have got extremely lucky with that but the simple fact is that in hindsight we performed far better in the away tie than we did in the home one...that simple and is what i said from the start. continue to defend your logic that picking the first team would have been far better though despite there being no facts or evidence to back it up whatsoever though.the team you wanted to play were shit in the home tie,the team that played the away tie were far better in their game.what part of that don't you agree with exactly?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 22:13:38 GMT
so played 5 lost 5 before that game = in form? Agreed so why start the majority of those players in the next league game , he bottled it in Valencia and we all know it. but the point i made from the start is that whether he bottled it or not,when the final whistle went it turned out that the team had actually performed far better than the team picked for the home tie!! There is absolutely nothing to say that picking the normal first team would have done any better especially given their current form at the time.in other words given the fact that you have nothing to base your presumption that the first team would have given it a better go at all and the fact theres no way you can prove if that would have been the case ther can be no other conclusion whatsoever other than your criticism (based on no facts,history or evidence) is purely agenda based
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2015 22:22:37 GMT
Agreed so why start the majority of those players in the next league game , he bottled it in Valencia and we all know it. but the point i made from the start is that whether he bottled it or not,when the final whistle went it turned out that the team had actually performed far better than the team picked for the home tie!! There is absolutely nothing to say that picking the normal first team would have done any better especially given their current form at the time.in other words given the fact that you have nothing to base your presumption that the first team would have given it a better go at all and the fact theres no way you can prove if that would have been the case ther can be no other conclusion whatsoever other than your criticism (based on no facts,history or evidence) is purely agenda based So why did he play his normal first team the next league game ?, you seem reluctant to answer a very simple question by the way they won that game as evidence if you like, I rtecall that the second string lost in Valencia by the way
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 22:35:59 GMT
but the point i made from the start is that whether he bottled it or not,when the final whistle went it turned out that the team had actually performed far better than the team picked for the home tie!! There is absolutely nothing to say that picking the normal first team would have done any better especially given their current form at the time.in other words given the fact that you have nothing to base your presumption that the first team would have given it a better go at all and the fact theres no way you can prove if that would have been the case ther can be no other conclusion whatsoever other than your criticism (based on no facts,history or evidence) is purely agenda based So why did he play his normal first team the next league game ?, you seem reluctant to answer a very simple question by the way they won that game as evidence if you like, I rtecall that the second string lost in Valencia by the way probably because it was pulis and he was a law unto himself,we all know that...im not for a second saying pulis was infallible mate and never have done.ive slagged him off enough times in the past myself.yes they lost at the mestalla but they put up a far better show than the team that lost at the brit. think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one (especially as we've been shitbinned!) but personally i just think that theres more than enough things pulis did during his time here to criticise him for,i just think that this one is a bit harsh given the fact that whether by luck or by judgement the team he picked were far better than the team that played at the brit and theres nothing whatsoever to say that the first team would have done any better when you look at how they'd fared the few weeks before that game.i dare say the fans would rather have seen a "B" team that played well than "Stars" who played shit and theres little to point to to say that the stars would have done as well. not defending pulis on the whole..he made lots of mistakes,i thought he had when i saw the squad for tgat night but turns out we actualluly played well,fave a far better account of ourselves thsn we had at home and the travellers have said themselves on this very thread they have great memories they'll keep forever.think people are going way ott when theres nothing whatsoever to say another team would have been any better
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2015 22:41:22 GMT
So why did he play his normal first team the next league game ?, you seem reluctant to answer a very simple question by the way they won that game as evidence if you like, I rtecall that the second string lost in Valencia by the way probably because it was pulis and he was a law unto himself,we all know that...im not for a second saying pulis was infallible mate and never have done.ive slagged him off enough times in the past myself.yes they lost at the mestalla but they put up a far better show than the team that lost at the brit. think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one (especially as we've been shitbinned!) but personally i just think that theres more than enough things pulis did during his time here to criticise him for,i just think that this one is a bit harsh given the fact that whether by luck or by judgement the team he picked were far better than the team that played at the brit and theres nothing whatsoever to say that the first team would have done any better when you look at how they'd fared the few weeks before that game.i dare say the fans would rather have seen a "B" team that played well than "Stars" who played shit and theres little to point to to say that the stars would have done as well. not defending pulis on the whole..he made lots of mistakes,i thought he had when i saw the squad for tgat night but turns out we actualluly played well,fave a far better account of ourselves thsn we had at home and the travellers have said themselves on this very thread they have great memories they'll keep forever.think people are going way ott when theres nothing whatsoever to say another team would have been any better Fair enough and good night guess we will never agree on Pulis but that is not unusual he is the original Marmite.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 22:45:22 GMT
probably because it was pulis and he was a law unto himself,we all know that...im not for a second saying pulis was infallible mate and never have done.ive slagged him off enough times in the past myself.yes they lost at the mestalla but they put up a far better show than the team that lost at the brit. think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one (especially as we've been shitbinned!) but personally i just think that theres more than enough things pulis did during his time here to criticise him for,i just think that this one is a bit harsh given the fact that whether by luck or by judgement the team he picked were far better than the team that played at the brit and theres nothing whatsoever to say that the first team would have done any better when you look at how they'd fared the few weeks before that game.i dare say the fans would rather have seen a "B" team that played well than "Stars" who played shit and theres little to point to to say that the stars would have done as well. not defending pulis on the whole..he made lots of mistakes,i thought he had when i saw the squad for tgat night but turns out we actualluly played well,fave a far better account of ourselves thsn we had at home and the travellers have said themselves on this very thread they have great memories they'll keep forever.think people are going way ott when theres nothing whatsoever to say another team would have been any better Fair enough and good night guess we will never agree on Pulis but that is not unusual he is the original Marmite. oh im no rimmer mate by any stretch just disagree on this and the other thread.i dare say id completely agree with you on many of your other criticisms!!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2015 23:29:34 GMT
Out of interest, are you able to confirm if those players, who you maintain were so out of form given 5 straight defeats, were left out of the following weekends league fixtures? Given they were so out of form and given that their replacements performed so well in Valencia, surely your logic would have seen many of the Valencia team start the next game given that they had proven to be better than the regular team that had lost 5 in a row and had lost so tamely at home to Valencia? Your logic on this is beyond me but feel free to defend the indefensible. but the logic that the first team who had lost 5 in 5 and performed far worse against valencia previously should have been a shoe in is watertight is it??? I said earlier i was livid when i saw the squad announced but the reality and facts are that the team he chose not only performed far better than any of us expected but also far better than the team that played the home leg did as well. out of interest do you think the team that played away played worse than the team that played at the brit? He may have got extremely lucky with that but the simple fact is that in hindsight we performed far better in the away tie than we did in the home one...that simple and is what i said from the start. continue to defend your logic that picking the first team would have been far better though despite there being no facts or evidence to back it up whatsoever though.the team you wanted to play were shit in the home tie,the team that played the away tie were far better in their game.what part of that don't you agree with exactly? I don't agree with the fact that you are using this logic to justify the abject surrender of the manager. He picked a team that he thought would give him the best chance of winning the next league game and not a team that would or could win against Valencia. The fact that a team featuring Rory Delap at right back, Ricardo Fuller on the left wing and a midfield combination of Palacios and Arismendi performed so well was pure luck and was not by design at all. Pulis had thrown the game and his focus was on the league game v Swansea on the Sunday. I am not defending any logic because his first team at the time was wrong anyway and he could easily have dropped some of the underperforming players yet kept the nucleus of what should have been a good side in place, filling the bench in the process. The team I wanted him to play wouldn't have been the one that lost the first leg nor the previous league games. It would have included our best players at the time playing in positions that they were familiar with. As well as the makeshift team performed on the night, I'm sure a team such as Tommy. Wilko, Huth, Shawcross, Wilson Pennant, Whelan, Rory, Etherington Kenwyne Fuller would have performed a) better than the team that lost the first leg to Valencia, b) better than the team that played the away leg at Valencia and c) better than the god awful first 11 he was boring us to death with on a weekly basis. Filling the bench with regular first team players who could have given the starting 11 a helping hand would have given us a better chance as well. That team would have enabled us to have the likes of Walters, Crouch, Jerome, Whitehead, Palacios and god knows who else on the bench and would have enabled us to "throw the kitchen sink at them". As it was, we had no bench to speak of and after a tremendous performance for an hour or so, our efforts concluded with a very tame exit, albeit to what was a very good Valencia team that I think, if memory served me right, went on to the Final. It was a surrender and no amount of hindsight, luck, or any other half arsed attempt to defend what happened that night changes that fact. We lost the home leg and Pulis gave up the ghost because he was terrified that his expensively assembled flops would take us to relegation. He bottled it. Plain and simple. For me, it was the lowest part of his reign and the beginning of the end for him at Stoke City. One final point...You say I have no evidence or facts to suggest that the first team would have fared better away in Valencia whilst ignoring the fact that you have none to back up your assertion that they wouldn't. Different days, different games. I didn't want to get involved in this thread as it was probably started as a way to have a cheap shot at Pulis but Geoff's ridiculous ramblings, yet again sucked me in. Valencia away was wank and a shameful way in which to end our European adventure and on that note, I'm going to bed and won't comment any further.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 23:41:59 GMT
He did by not playing the shit from the week before! He won't understand what you're saying. All through convenience of course. whatever happened to tazi this was his last post?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2021 5:52:55 GMT
I think after away games in Europe we only beat Everton away the following weekend. He gave the league game priority and we won it. To be fair we should have beaten Valencia away and were hopeless at home.
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