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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2015 18:03:00 GMT
I can't think of a more inappropriate word to use i.e. cowardice, when talking about Tony Pulis. It was total cowardice. Tony Pulis had a 1m bonus written into this contract for Premiership survival. It was the only thing that he was bothered about in footballing matters and it showed in his team selection in Valencia. How much money did you spend watching us play in the Europa League? What sacrifices did you make to watch the team away from home? What do you remember from our Europa League campaign? You can't possibly know what it felt like that night in Valencia when 7500 Stoke fans saw that our manager had "thrown in the towel". Only the fact that our makeshift team played so well saved him from the slaughtering he would have deserved. Playing Danny Collins in that game was a travesty. Playing Rory Delap at right back was even worse. Pulis threw in the towel on the game and that is sporting cowardice however you want to look at it. Valencia was the beginning of the end for Tony Pulis and what he did that night, in a sporting sense, was unforgivable.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 20, 2015 18:04:43 GMT
The one thing Pulis isn't dave is a coward.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 20, 2015 18:05:40 GMT
I can't think of a more inappropriate word to use i.e. cowardice, when talking about Tony Pulis. Lowering expectation, throwing in the towel in what was one of the biggest games and nights in our history. Yeh ok.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 20, 2015 18:08:32 GMT
The one thing Pulis isn't dave is a coward. I guess you base your opinion on the fact he can head but in the shower?
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Post by elystokie on Jan 20, 2015 18:09:02 GMT
I can't think of a more inappropriate word to use i.e. cowardice, when talking about Tony Pulis. I can think of a few. Try 'honest' and 'genuine' for starters.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2015 18:09:07 GMT
The one thing Pulis isn't dave is a coward. In a sporting sense he is as he showed that night in Valencia. When it comes to certain games, the bloke was scared of his own shadow and for all the good things he gave our club, his fondness will always be tainted by abject surrender in many games before a ball had even been kicked. Our last home game against Manure during his tenure being one of the worst when he would have happily taken a 2 goal defeat before the game just to keep our goal difference in tact. I will give you something else as well. I've been bought up on the mantra that "proper men fight with their hands. Cowards fight with their heads and legs". What was it Tony Pulis did to James Beattie again?
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Post by salopstick on Jan 20, 2015 18:10:24 GMT
The team he selected for the first leg were beaten at home, he must have thought changes would help. He's paid a lot of money to make decisions and he made one, we can all be wise after the event. Nevertheless Stoke had already enjoyed their best ever European performance, that's what I think everyone should remember. Not content with telling us what we should think on a daily basis, you're now trying to tell us what we should remember!! Unfuckingbelievable.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 20, 2015 18:10:57 GMT
Hahahahaha. This thread is a classic.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 20, 2015 18:11:08 GMT
I can't think of a more inappropriate word to use i.e. cowardice, when talking about Tony Pulis. It was total cowardice. Tony Pulis had a 1m bonus written into this contract for Premiership survival. It was the only thing that he was bothered about in footballing matters and it showed in his team selection in Valencia. How much money did you spend watching us play in the Europa League? What sacrifices did you make to watch the team away from home? What do you remember from our Europa League campaign? You can't possibly know what it felt like that night in Valencia when 7500 Stoke fans saw that our manager had "thrown in the towel". Only the fact that our makeshift team played so well saved him from the slaughtering he would have deserved. Playing Danny Collins in that game was a travesty. Playing Rory Delap at right back was even worse. Pulis threw in the towel on the game and that is sporting cowardice however you want to look at it. Valencia was the beginning of the end for Tony Pulis and what he did that night, in a sporting sense, was unforgivable. Again to the word, absolutely spot on.
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Post by redstriper on Jan 20, 2015 18:12:13 GMT
yep I spent a lot going out there.
And what happened ?
I had the best away footie week ever, sightseeing, touring, partying, met a tidy irish lass in Alicante and had some fun with her too. Plus the mestalla atmos was great.
So all in all, it was great, and I thank TP for getting us that far in the first place.
It's history now, but id like a repeat please Mr Hughes!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2015 18:13:22 GMT
Hahahahaha. This thread is a classic. It's a stupid thread aimed purely to stick the boot into Tony Pulis for sure. I avoided all comment for that reason until good old Geoff123 piped up. I'm not sure what it is with him but he riles me to post everytime. Valencia away was a low point in a Tony Pulis reign that had provided many highs. That fact, regardless of your general views on Tony Pulis, is inescapable. You simply can't defend the indefensible though I know you will probably give it a go.
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Post by RAF on Jan 20, 2015 18:31:33 GMT
He gave the war cry then shat his pants, that is what happened. Yes we all had a good time but in footballing terms it was a total capitulation. The fact that the team he took played better than the one at home was more luck than judgement! The woeful signing Arismendi having his only decent game for us.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 20, 2015 18:35:31 GMT
He gave the war cry then shat his pants, that is what happened. Yes we all had a good time but in footballing terms it was a total capitulation. The fact that the team he took played better than the one at home was more luck than judgement! The woeful signing Arismendi having his only decent game for us. H Spot on yet again. Where is Taz, I am getting bored
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Post by StokieMatt on Jan 20, 2015 18:37:24 GMT
Best day of my footballing life Get over yourselves
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Post by elystokie on Jan 20, 2015 18:47:34 GMT
He gave the war cry then shat his pants, that is what happened. Yes we all had a good time but in footballing terms it was a total capitulation. The fact that the team he took played better than the one at home was more luck than judgement! The woeful signing Arismendi having his only decent game for us. H Spot on yet again. Where is Taz, I am getting bored Gone for his English lesson I think. Gone for his English lesson I think.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 20, 2015 18:51:35 GMT
Spot on yet again. Where is Taz, I am getting bored Gone for his English lesson I think. Gone for his English lesson I think. That's odd I didn't write that. Anyhow I miss Taz when he is not on here. Voice of reason
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 18:53:55 GMT
Only a fucking idiot would think that Pulis did this on his own, *** behind the back of the chairman. The team was cleared with his employers. *** I know we do have some fucking idiots, you only have to read a thread like this *** That simply isn't true. Coates was very disappointed with the team selection and ultimately it did sour his relationship with TP. Several first team players who were left out home weren't happy either, including Ryan Shawcross who allegedly had a very big falling out with Pulis that almost resulted in his departure to Everton the following Summer. That team selection, in one of the biggest games in our history, was arguably the beginning of the end for Pulis and it undoubtedly led to some of the discontent that was prevalent amongst the playing staff thereafter. Even MCF slaughtered TP for his decision that night. It was sheer cowardice on his part and it was inexcusable. If he was that disappointed why didn't he do something about it before the plane left, I knew well in advance that he wasn't picking the normal team. Perhaps he sold it to to PC because of the flat performance in the first leg. For certain PC could have told TP to pick a full strength team, but it's not about that it's simply that TP thought that Palacious and Arismendi were better suited to this away match than the normal team that didn't trouble Valencia in the first leg. but that doesn't fit the agenda does it ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 18:56:41 GMT
Couldn't give a fuck about Pulis now either way.
My one comment on this thread is that he has a history regarding pissing about with team selections to suit 'his own ends' rather than whats best for SCFC.
He admitted as much on his return for a second stint and apologized for doing so
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 19:13:57 GMT
That simply isn't true. Coates was very disappointed with the team selection and ultimately it did sour his relationship with TP. Several first team players who were left out home weren't happy either, including Ryan Shawcross who allegedly had a very big falling out with Pulis that almost resulted in his departure to Everton the following Summer. That team selection, in one of the biggest games in our history, was arguably the beginning of the end for Pulis and it undoubtedly led to some of the discontent that was prevalent amongst the playing staff thereafter. Even MCF slaughtered TP for his decision that night. It was sheer cowardice on his part and it was inexcusable. If he was that disappointed why didn't he do something about it before the plane left, I knew well in advance that he wasn't picking the normal team. Perhaps he sold it to to PC because of the flat performance in the first leg. For certain PC could have told TP to pick a full strength team, but it's not about that it's simply that TP thought that Palacious and Arismendi were better suited to this away match than the normal team that didn't trouble Valencia in the first leg. but that doesn't fit the agenda does it ? I don't think that Coates would meddle in team selection. But team selection would influence his decision whether or not to keep or sack a manager.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 20, 2015 19:15:40 GMT
Gone for his English lesson I think. That's odd I didn't write that. Anyhow I miss Taz when he is not on here. Voice of reason :D Very strange. He does make some very valid points it has to be said...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 19:20:07 GMT
That's odd I didn't write that. Anyhow I miss Taz when he is not on here. Voice of reason Very strange. He does make some very valid points it has to be said... He posts utter garbage from what I have read.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2015 19:38:10 GMT
That simply isn't true. Coates was very disappointed with the team selection and ultimately it did sour his relationship with TP. Several first team players who were left out home weren't happy either, including Ryan Shawcross who allegedly had a very big falling out with Pulis that almost resulted in his departure to Everton the following Summer. That team selection, in one of the biggest games in our history, was arguably the beginning of the end for Pulis and it undoubtedly led to some of the discontent that was prevalent amongst the playing staff thereafter. Even MCF slaughtered TP for his decision that night. It was sheer cowardice on his part and it was inexcusable. If he was that disappointed why didn't he do something about it before the plane left, I knew well in advance that he wasn't picking the normal team. Perhaps he sold it to to PC because of the flat performance in the first leg. For certain PC could have told TP to pick a full strength team, but it's not about that it's simply that TP thought that Palacious and Arismendi were better suited to this away match than the normal team that didn't trouble Valencia in the first leg. but that doesn't fit the agenda does it ? I suppose you have no agenda in defending the indefensible? Coates didn't agree with the crouch signing either but as he said in that particular instance "he didn't interfere with football matters and let his manager manage".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 20:03:07 GMT
If he was that disappointed why didn't he do something about it before the plane left, I knew well in advance that he wasn't picking the normal team. Perhaps he sold it to to PC because of the flat performance in the first leg. For certain PC could have told TP to pick a full strength team, but it's not about that it's simply that TP thought that Palacious and Arismendi were better suited to this away match than the normal team that didn't trouble Valencia in the first leg. but that doesn't fit the agenda does it ? I suppose you have no agenda in defending the indefensible? Coates didn't agree with the crouch signing either but as he said in that particular instance "he didn't interfere with football matters and let his manager manage". As owner even if you are not interfering on a day to day basis you set the policy. As almost every manager does they pick a team to suit the competition and the opponents, it's not giving up, it's simply picking a different team. We lost 1 - 0 in both legs to a team that got to the final. No embarrassment, just a different team.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 20:04:23 GMT
If he was that disappointed why didn't he do something about it before the plane left, I knew well in advance that he wasn't picking the normal team. Perhaps he sold it to to PC because of the flat performance in the first leg. For certain PC could have told TP to pick a full strength team, but it's not about that it's simply that TP thought that Palacious and Arismendi were better suited to this away match than the normal team that didn't trouble Valencia in the first leg. but that doesn't fit the agenda does it ? I don't think that Coates would meddle in team selection. But team selection would influence his decision whether or not to keep or sack a manager. I agree with the second part, please see my other reply for the other bit.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 20, 2015 20:19:17 GMT
Very strange. He does make some very valid points it has to be said... He posts utter garbage from what I have read. Naah Nige, he's just misunderstood ;)
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Post by pieman72 on Jan 20, 2015 20:45:32 GMT
Had a great time in Valencia. However the game was a blur and only found out the team the next day
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 21:10:29 GMT
what's that got to do with whether or not they'd have fared better at the Mestalla though???? the thread is about the Valencia game..many are saying he dropped a bollock by not playing the first teamers, i'm simply pointing out that those first teamers had just lost 5 in a row and didn't perform well in the home game either so it hardly backs up the idea that Pulis "Threw the game". are you saying that simply because we weren't likely to get relegated that therefore equates to those players (who didn't perform well in the home leg at all) being a better shout for the away game???? i really don't see how whether we'd have gone down or not has anything at all to do with this thread If our other form is irrelevant, he should have started our strongest team. Shawcross etc. i never said our other form was irrelevant mate,merely that theres a massive difference between "We're not bad enough to go down" and "Automatically must be starters in a european game isn't there? Is that all we're deciding you need now to guarantee a fighting chance in europe,being good enough to not finish in the bottom 3?? There's a huge gulf between the 2 things!! In terms of performance on the night,the team that played at the mestella were far better than the team that played valencia at the brit and the team that had just lost 5 games in a row before the away leg....how so many could say 2 years ago that SJW didn't deserve his place as TP should be picking on form rather than just his favourites and then on this thread do a complete about turn and slag him off for dropping players who were completely out of form at that time is beyond me!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 21:30:51 GMT
He posts utter garbage from what I have read. Naah Nige, he's just misunderstood I can understand why - he can barely write.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2015 21:50:26 GMT
If our other form is irrelevant, he should have started our strongest team. Shawcross etc. i never said our other form was irrelevant mate,merely that theres a massive difference between "We're not bad enough to go down" and "Automatically must be starters in a european game isn't there? Is that all we're deciding you need now to guarantee a fighting chance in europe,being good enough to not finish in the bottom 3?? There's a huge gulf between the 2 things!! In terms of performance on the night,the team that played at the mestella were far better than the team that played valencia at the brit and the team that had just lost 5 games in a row before the away leg....how so many could say 2 years ago that SJW didn't deserve his place as TP should be picking on form rather than just his favourites and then on this thread do a complete about turn and slag him off for dropping players who were completely out of form at that time is beyond me! The players out of form who he started the next league game do you mean
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 21:53:57 GMT
i never said our other form was irrelevant mate,merely that theres a massive difference between "We're not bad enough to go down" and "Automatically must be starters in a european game isn't there? Is that all we're deciding you need now to guarantee a fighting chance in europe,being good enough to not finish in the bottom 3?? There's a huge gulf between the 2 things!! In terms of performance on the night,the team that played at the mestella were far better than the team that played valencia at the brit and the team that had just lost 5 games in a row before the away leg....how so many could say 2 years ago that SJW didn't deserve his place as TP should be picking on form rather than just his favourites and then on this thread do a complete about turn and slag him off for dropping players who were completely out of form at that time is beyond me! The players out of form who he started the next league game do you mean so played 5 lost 5 before that game = in form?
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