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Post by Gods on Jan 16, 2015 9:14:40 GMT
We've not had a thread on this for 3 or 4 days have we so here are the 3 questions which have never been answered to my satisfaction:
1)How much will it cost?
2)Can it be completed in the close season or would we have a building site for part/all of a season?
3)Will it take us above the magical 30,000+ capacity or will it leave us just shy of that 'big swinging dick' number?
Thanks.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 16, 2015 9:20:14 GMT
We've not had a thread on this for 3 or 4 days have we so here are the 3 questions which have never been answered to my satisfaction: 1)How much will it cost? 2)Can it be completed in the close season or would we have a building site for part/all of a season? 3)Will it take us above the magical 30,000+ capacity or will it leave us just shy of that 'big swinging dick' number? Thanks. I dont think one Corner would take us over 30,000. I would imagine it would be just shy. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 16, 2015 9:23:25 GMT
I think the cost was estimated as 5 million squid Gods. With extra capacity of only 1800 seats or 2500 safe-standing option
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 9:36:04 GMT
We've not had a thread on this for 3 or 4 days have we so here are the 3 questions which have never been answered to my satisfaction: 1)How much will it cost? 2)Can it be completed in the close season or would we have a building site for part/all of a season? 3)Will it take us above the magical 30,000+ capacity or will it leave us just shy of that 'big swinging dick' number? Thanks. 1) Approx £4.75m 2) Foundation work and some of the steel work laid between now and the end of the season, full work completed by start of next season 3) 29,850 |
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Post by hippostoke on Jan 16, 2015 10:14:22 GMT
We've not had a thread on this for 3 or 4 days have we so here are the 3 questions which have never been answered to my satisfaction: 1)How much will it cost? 2)Can it be completed in the close season or would we have a building site for part/all of a season? 3)Will it take us above the magical 30,000+ capacity or will it leave us just shy of that 'big swinging dick' number? Thanks. 1) £4.75m 2) Foundations and some of the steel work laid between now and the end of the season, full work completed by start of next season 3) 29,850 Spot on. However we all know this wont happen right? |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 16, 2015 10:52:22 GMT
1) I think the original estimate for the scoreboard corner when planning permission was applied for was £3.8 million but it will have crept up since then. I wouldn't argue with £4.5 million now.
2) As said above, footings are in place so some steelwork could be done towards the end of this season with a completion by the start of next season.
3) the capacity of the scoreboard corner (all seated) including wheelchair bays at the top of the stand is 1,800. So, theoretically, we'd go over the 30k capacity but we'd only achieve it if they can sort things out so that a lot less is lost to segregation. At the moment it is the concourse in the South stand (which is as small and tight as it legally can be) which means there are problems when it has to be split between two groups of fans. They should (in my opinion) bite the bullet and expand the concourse in the south stand by extending it backwards into the carpark and that would mean that the segregation nets could be reduced to just two or three seats in width.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 10:59:29 GMT
Fix the segregation issues - we definitley go over 30k
Remember - there are already 28,500 seats in the ground - we dont use em all though (segregation)
my estimate (being in the game as it were) done properly - around £6-7m
and I will be gutted for the club and the entire area if this does not get done this summer
DO NOTHING screams 'Smalltown club' not 'City Club' at anyone looking in
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jan 16, 2015 12:31:01 GMT
Fix the segregation issues - we definitley go over 30k Remember - there are already 28,500 seats in the ground - we dont use em all though (segregation) my estimate (being in the game as it were) done properly - around £6-7m and I will be gutted for the club and the entire area if this does not get done this summer DO NOTHING screams 'Smalltown club' not 'City Club' at anyone looking in Don't understand why you think this and especially why you would be gutted for the entire area?. The ground suits our attendances and I'd rather play to a full ground than rows of empty seat. |
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Post by nott1 on Jan 16, 2015 12:44:57 GMT
If they put the away fans in the new corner we could fill all the South stand and even if we lose the toss the away team would still face a load of Stokies!
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Post by metalhead on Jan 16, 2015 13:03:27 GMT
We don't always sell out now. More fans, then we look to expand.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 16, 2015 13:08:17 GMT
If they put the away fans in the new corner we could fill all the South stand and even if we lose the toss the away team would still face a load of Stokies! Yes, but the capacity of the new corner (1,800) is below the number that we HAVE to offer the away club - even though they can opt for a lower figure. We have to offer 10% of capacity or 3,000 which ever is the lower - for a 30k capacity stadium the offer has to be 3,000. |
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Post by kevkj on Jan 16, 2015 13:08:51 GMT
Metalhead we pretty much do sell out bar odd seats ,thats the problem its the same people in the ground on the whole every week.
We need to fill one corner in.
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Post by foster on Jan 16, 2015 13:10:07 GMT
We don't always sell out now. More fans, then we look to expand. We hit over 95% capacity on average. The time to expand is now. (Plus all the other arguments that have been said a million times as to why we have some random available seats). |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 16, 2015 13:12:30 GMT
5m is nothing compared to our annual income which is approaching 100m.
A choice between 1 Dave Kitson, 60% of Wilson Palacios or new corner with extra 1800 seats.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 16, 2015 13:13:19 GMT
If it doesnt happen this summer I think its safe to say it never will.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 13:17:00 GMT
We don't always sell out now. More fans, then we look to expand. Bizarre logic. Where are these extra fans going to sit before we look to expand when we only ever have individual seats dotted around unsold? (yes there's empty seats for most games but season ticket holders unable to go to a game don't count) I've tried to get a ticket for my lad on a few occasions this season, no seats near me (season ticket holder) and when you try and move so there's 2 seats together you often can't get any. There are hundreds possibly thousands of fans who can't go week in week out (students, self employed people, people who can't afford to shell out for a season ticket, exiles etc) who would buy 3/6/9 match tickets for that corner I'm 100% convinced, just needs to be marketed and priced right. And if we have empty seats on a cold winters night at home to one of the less glamorous clubs in the league such as QPR, then so what? |
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 16, 2015 13:21:13 GMT
If they put the away fans in the new corner we could fill all the South stand and even if we lose the toss the away team would still face a load of Stokies! Yes, but the capacity of the new corner (1,800) is below the number that we HAVE to offer the away club - even though they can opt for a lower figure. We have to offer 10% of capacity or 3,000 which ever is the lower - for a 30k capacity stadium the offer has to be 3,000. Also if the corner was designed to be the same as the existing boothen corner and we located away fans there, we would probably end up with segregation both sides reducing potential capacity even more. |
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Post by no1972 on Jan 16, 2015 13:22:35 GMT
If it was going to happen this summer contracts would be in place by now, and I am sure the club would of announced it by now,or maybe they will when they announce a 15% rise on season ticket prices.But would we need the extra seats then.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 16, 2015 13:28:43 GMT
We don't always sell out now. More fans, then we look to expand. Bizarre logic. Where are these extra fans going to sit before we look to expand when we only ever have individual seats dotted around unsold? (yes there's empty seats for most games but season ticket holders unable to go to a game don't count) I've tried to get a ticket for my lad on a few occasions this season, no seats near me (season ticket holder) and when you try and move so there's 2 seats together you often can't get any. There are hundreds possibly thousands of fans who can't go week in week out (students, self employed people, people who can't afford to shell out for a season ticket, exiles etc) who would buy 3/6/9 match tickets for that corner I'm 100% convinced, just needs to be marketed and priced right. And if we have empty seats on a cold winters night at home to one of the less glamorous clubs in the league such as QPR, then so what? Just doesn't look great. |
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Post by Gods on Jan 16, 2015 13:37:06 GMT
We've not had a thread on this for 3 or 4 days have we so here are the 3 questions which have never been answered to my satisfaction: 1)How much will it cost? 2)Can it be completed in the close season or would we have a building site for part/all of a season? 3)Will it take us above the magical 30,000+ capacity or will it leave us just shy of that 'big swinging dick' number? Thanks. 1) Approx £4.75m 2) Foundation work and some of the steel work laid between now and the end of the season, full work completed by start of next season 3) 29,850 I'm really struggling with it then. Assume our gates go up by 1000 on average. (Sometimes by 2000 and sometimes by none at all so 1000 on average). Those 1000 filled seats generate on average £20 per game remember at least one third of the tickets we sell are concessions of some kind or another, and that happens 20 times per season, then the extra revenue is £400,000 per season. Payback would take 12 years with a big risk factor that we drop out of the Prem in that time and it doesn't happen at all. So definitely there is no ROI case to be made by any conventional measure. Then it sounds like we will not ever see a gate of 30,000 plus since the segregation question will not go away so no 'big swinging dick' argument to puff up everyone's ego. So we'd be left doing it because it looks nice wouldn't we? Don't get me wrong I'd like to see it happen but its not hard to see why the club might prevaricate is it? |
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Post by no1972 on Jan 16, 2015 13:39:05 GMT
Bizarre logic. Where are these extra fans going to sit before we look to expand when we only ever have individual seats dotted around unsold? (yes there's empty seats for most games but season ticket holders unable to go to a game don't count) I've tried to get a ticket for my lad on a few occasions this season, no seats near me (season ticket holder) and when you try and move so there's 2 seats together you often can't get any. There are hundreds possibly thousands of fans who can't go week in week out (students, self employed people, people who can't afford to shell out for a season ticket, exiles etc) who would buy 3/6/9 match tickets for that corner I'm 100% convinced, just needs to be marketed and priced right. And if we have empty seats on a cold winters night at home to one of the less glamorous clubs in the league such as QPR, then so what? Just doesn't look great. The easy way to sort this out is to have a unreserved area,so you turn up pay your money pick your seat. |
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Post by metalhead on Jan 16, 2015 13:39:47 GMT
The easy way to sort this out is to have a unreserved area,so you turn up pay your money pick your seat. Good point |
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Post by daibando on Jan 16, 2015 13:46:44 GMT
We've got 3000 spare red seats at Cardiff. I'm sure our beloved chairman Tan would sell them to you on the chaeap :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 13:51:27 GMT
stoke saint1
and gods - the prevarication of the club screams 'lack of ambition' to our competitors
Derby, Nottingham, Sheffield clubs - Leeds - Wolves - Ipswich - Norwich etc - all wait in the wings for us to fuck up
many 'proper' cities (***unlike stoke ?) - *** because Stoke on Trent doesn't really BEHAVE like one !
and this we cannot afford for, quite simply - you stand still - you die -in all things
AND
Have you tried to get tickets at short notice for a group of people recently, for a match at the BRIT ???
I reckon the demand is there with just a bit more sensible ticket pricing too
and -as I thought I had already explained
leaving our ground to all intents and purposes unfinished, (especially noting whats going on elsewhere in the prem right now)
Screams at the corporate level
-'Stoke are smalltown' & without aspiration to be something greater
and a worlwide brand with a stadium smaller than some championship clubs have
not good enough for me --sorry !
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Post by kevkj on Jan 16, 2015 13:54:52 GMT
I have the very answer.
Sell the god forsaken place to retailers and build a proper stadium from start somewhere else ,ie old ground or etruria .
Anywhere but that god forsaken isolated cold hole on the hill.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 14:03:47 GMT
We are relatively fortunate in that we do have a fairly modern ground that we can fill and - that can be readily extended for relatively little effort
the only question is:-
why the fuck are we dithering ?
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Post by no1972 on Jan 16, 2015 14:05:24 GMT
I have the very answer. Sell the god forsaken place to retailers and build a proper stadium from start somewhere else ,ie old ground or etruria . Anywhere but that god forsaken isolated cold hole on the hill. Why that would make the chairman look foolish has he was the one who made the move possible by inviting St Modwen on the board of directors. |
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Post by no1972 on Jan 16, 2015 14:07:26 GMT
We are relatively fortunate in that we do have a fairly modern ground that we can fill and - that can be readily extended for relatively little effort the only question is:- why the fuck are we dithering ? We will have to pay for all the new green seats when it becomes the Bet 365 stadium. |
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Jan 16, 2015 14:19:35 GMT
1) Approx £4.75m 2) Foundation work and some of the steel work laid between now and the end of the season, full work completed by start of next season 3) 29,850 I'm really struggling with it then. Assume our gates go up by 1000 on average. (Sometimes by 2000 and sometimes by none at all so 1000 on average). Those 1000 filled seats generate on average £20 per game remember at least one third of the tickets we sell are concessions of some kind or another, and that happens 20 times per season, then the extra revenue is £400,000 per season. Payback would take 12 years with a big risk factor that we drop out of the Prem in that time and it doesn't happen at all. So definitely there is no ROI case to be made by any conventional measure. Then it sounds like we will not ever see a gate of 30,000 plus since the segregation question will not go away so no 'big swinging dick' argument to puff up everyone's ego. So we'd be left doing it because it looks nice wouldn't we? Don't get me wrong I'd like to see it happen but its not hard to see why the club might prevaricate is it? I see your point, but we're in our 152nd year. 12 years is nothing and we might get more revenue back if we play more games and thus pay it off more quickly (so long as those extra games aren't in the Championship! ). Sent from my GT-I8190N using proboards |
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 16, 2015 14:51:11 GMT
A world recognised club......................correct
An absolutely shocking stadium..........correct
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