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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 14, 2015 23:06:52 GMT
When you take extreme pleasure in someone else's humiliation. Right... so this could well be considered bullying. We've all been in these initiations. I certainly have. But they were never this extreme. I can't imagine I'd have enjoyed having a goalkeeper glove shoved up my arse. What if it was Megan Fox?
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Post by metalhead on Jan 14, 2015 23:16:28 GMT
On a serious note though if he is found guilty this will open the door to millions and I mean millions of cases of abuse in the work place, I was subjected to pain in my early days and I can name names and exactly what happened like it was yesterday! In reality it was character building and toughing you up for the big wide world. If Stoke are also found guilty this will make it even easier to get compo the bloke who I told about it is now passed away but I still reported it. What part of real life involves having a glove shoved up your arse? Or heat gel smeared around your junk? I remember one of our initiations involved tying a lad to a lamppost in nothing but his boxer shorts and socks. It still didn't involve sexually violating someone. I'm not sure how I feel. Was it all fair game back then? If so then really, shit happens.
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 14, 2015 23:24:26 GMT
On a serious note though if he is found guilty this will open the door to millions and I mean millions of cases of abuse in the work place, I was subjected to pain in my early days and I can name names and exactly what happened like it was yesterday! In reality it was character building and toughing you up for the big wide world. If Stoke are also found guilty this will make it even easier to get compo the bloke who I told about it is now passed away but I still reported it. What part of real life involves having a glove shoved up your arse? Or heat gel smeared around your junk? I remember one of our initiations involved tying a lad to a lamppost in nothing but his boxer shorts and socks. It still didn't involve sexually violating someone. I'm not sure how I feel. Was it all fair game back then? If so then really, shit happens. Greased bollocks was a common thing if a finger was inserted that's probably a bit too far but then again was it sexual or just banter? How many times have we felt a birds arse in the past? Now that's sexual abuse.
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Post by countofmontecristo on Jan 14, 2015 23:27:42 GMT
I don't think that the glove was actually shoved anywhere. Just used to administer a liberal dose of Deep Heat or Fiery Jack, or whatever it was, around the bollocks. Presumably in the changing rooms, so a shower wasn't far away. Fuckin 'ell mate a shower would make it worse........a lot worse!!!!!
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Post by countofmontecristo on Jan 14, 2015 23:31:24 GMT
What part of real life involves having a glove shoved up your arse? Or heat gel smeared around your junk? I remember one of our initiations involved tying a lad to a lamppost in nothing but his boxer shorts and socks. It still didn't involve sexually violating someone. I'm not sure how I feel. Was it all fair game back then? If so then really, shit happens. Greased bollocks was a common thing if a finger was inserted that's probably a bit too far but then again was it sexual or just banter? How many times have we felt a birds arse in the past? Now that's sexual abuse. Yep.....I got greased down the pit - took fookin hours to get it off (It was the 80's mind - trimming of the package wasn't really en vogue then )
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 23:31:56 GMT
I don't think that the glove was actually shoved anywhere. Just used to administer a liberal dose of Deep Heat or Fiery Jack, or whatever it was, around the bollocks. Presumably in the changing rooms, so a shower wasn't far away. Fuckin 'ell mate a shower would make it worse........a lot worse!!!!! What? A bit like eating a full packet of extra strong mints, and then drinking water? Just to see what happens ......
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 15, 2015 0:06:02 GMT
The world's going fucking crackers. I had the 'Deep-Heat-Treatment' when I was a lad just starting work. It killed my knackers for a couple of hours, but I still managed to land myself with two kids and five damned grandkids who keep me a pauper in my old age. Unfortunately Owd Nat who did it is dead now, and we no longer have a laugh about it. Perhaps I should sue 96 year old Connie Opplesticks who did sexually assault me when I was 16 and working in a pottery warehouse. She actually had the gall to feel at my bollox just when I was giving her a tray of saucers and I couldn't stop her. I was back five minutes later with another tray even though she didn't need them.
This case belittles the cases of real assault. It's the likes of Savile and his cohorts and the bastards in The Establishment who the police and courts should be spending their time on, and not this workplace banter crap.
OS.
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Post by tijuanabrass on Jan 15, 2015 0:07:10 GMT
Re. whether this was considered sexual abuse, is one of those things that differs depending on the gender, personality and cultural background of the recipient. Whether that's right or not , I'm not to judge but as an example, a few herer have described being tied up in their undies in a public place as simple banter. If you were a 17 year old girl, I think it would be viewed differently.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 6, 2015 20:28:20 GMT
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Post by southcranford on Jul 6, 2015 20:41:38 GMT
If it went down as the lad says, it's a horrific thing to be subjected to....it doesn't matter whether they people who did it saw it a banter of not...what you say if your 16 or 17 year old son came home and said that'd happened to them....you'd fucking kill the people that had done it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 20:43:55 GMT
One question why now ?
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 6, 2015 20:50:23 GMT
If a person was held down by three people so that something could be forcibly inserted into their rectum then that is an assault, no matter how long ago it was, how much that sort of thing happened at the time or what euphemistic name you want to give it.
If it was just part of the culture, then it was part of a culture of abuse.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 6, 2015 20:54:38 GMT
The world's going fucking crackers. Perhaps I should sue 96 year old Connie Opplesticks who did sexually assault me when I was 16 and working in a pottery warehouse. She actually had the gall to feel at my bollox just when I was giving her a tray of saucers and I couldn't stop her. The imagery this conjures up is of rare Oatcake vintage. A woman called Connie Opplesticks (Connie fucking Opplesticks!) touching up a youthful Old Stokie (who I presume in those days didn't have his nut sack brushing up against his slippers!) unable to defend himself whilst holding a tray of delicate china. Please tell me this is true, OS?
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Post by southcranford on Jul 6, 2015 20:57:03 GMT
I'm sure that question will be asked at trial. You can speculate on if the bloke has been receiving therapy of some kind, the incident may have been discussed at length, could have re-activated trauma memories...he may have been supported/encouraged in making the disclosure and following through with pressing charges...you can fully understand and appreciate why might not have felt able to make a complaint at the time...
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Post by manchesterpotter on Jul 6, 2015 21:54:01 GMT
I don't quite understand the point of this going to trial.
I can't see what evidence they'll have against Fox, especially considering that it's nearly 30 years ago and it only seems to be Blackstock's word against Fox's.
Surely the only way they could convict is if some of the players who allegedly held him down came forward and admitted it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:57:22 GMT
I don't quite understand the point of this going to trial. I can't see what evidence they'll have against Fox, especially considering that it's nearly 30 years ago and it only seems to be Blackstock's word against Fox's. Surely the only way they could convict is if some of the players who allegedly held him down came forward and admitted it. Which wont happen.
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Post by manchesterpotter on Jul 6, 2015 22:05:47 GMT
I don't quite understand the point of this going to trial. I can't see what evidence they'll have against Fox, especially considering that it's nearly 30 years ago and it only seems to be Blackstock's word against Fox's. Surely the only way they could convict is if some of the players who allegedly held him down came forward and admitted it. Which wont happen. Exactly. What I don't get is why the players that allegedly held him down and the 'unidentified first teamer' who supposedly burnt him with a teapot aren't being dragged into this. Why is Fox the only one that's being taken to court?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:07:55 GMT
Exactly. What I don't get is why the players that allegedly held him down and the 'unidentified first teamer' who supposedly burnt him with a teapot aren't being dragged into this. Why is Fox the only one that's being taken to court? Could not have put it better myself, smacks of trying to make a few £££££££££££££££££££££
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 6, 2015 22:47:16 GMT
Exactly. What I don't get is why the players that allegedly held him down and the 'unidentified first teamer' who supposedly burnt him with a teapot aren't being dragged into this. Why is Fox the only one that's being taken to court? Could not have put it better myself, smacks of trying to make a few £££££££££££££££££££££ But the alleged victim is openly trying to "make a few £££££££££££££££££££££" as you put it - he wants compensation. What difference does that make to the case though? The allegation is one of an obvious assault.
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Post by skip on Jul 6, 2015 23:37:40 GMT
Dad: "how did it go at Stoke today, son?"
Apprentice/son: "well, the goalie stuck his gloved finger up my arse against my will."
Dad: "Did he?! Ha ha! Such japes! I'm off out for a bit. Tell your mum I don't want any tea."
Apprentice/son: "Dad. Where are going? Dad? Dad..."
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Post by johnfarmersmum on Jul 6, 2015 23:48:07 GMT
National News by the end of the week...a tale of two keepers...Bego leaves and the National press will be onboard to report this outcome. Could only happen at Stoke...
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Post by Gods on Jul 6, 2015 23:55:22 GMT
Wow, just seen the photo of Fox walking to the court room, never thought he would turn in to a fat bloke in later life
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Post by njkk on Jul 7, 2015 0:04:18 GMT
Innocent until proven??
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Post by Northy on Jul 7, 2015 4:23:06 GMT
At least foxy has got rid of the tache, that was a crime in itself
Sent from my SM-G850F using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 4:52:12 GMT
Just banter ffs...alot worse things happened on potbanks and down pit I think I would have the hump if someone stuck their finger up my arsehole with deep heat to be fair. Banter is shitting in his wash bag, this is a little bit too far.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 7, 2015 7:35:28 GMT
I don't quite understand the point of this going to trial. I can't see what evidence they'll have against Fox, especially considering that it's nearly 30 years ago and it only seems to be Blackstock's word against Fox's. Surely the only way they could convict is if some of the players who allegedly held him down came forward and admitted it. This is a civil hearing and not criminal. Guilt is proven on the balance of probability, not beyond reasonable doubt. There is no jury and the judge decides the outcome. There is no punishment awarded but compensation and costs can be awarded against the defendant. My guess is that Peter Fox will have a load of witnesses lined up to testify that banter and high jinx did occur but not how the defendant describes.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 7, 2015 7:40:10 GMT
The world's going fucking crackers. Perhaps I should sue 96 year old Connie Opplesticks who did sexually assault me when I was 16 and working in a pottery warehouse. She actually had the gall to feel at my bollox just when I was giving her a tray of saucers and I couldn't stop her. The imagery this conjures up is of rare Oatcake vintage. A woman called Connie Opplesticks (Connie fucking Opplesticks!) touching up a youthful Old Stokie (who I presume in those days didn't have his nut sack brushing up against his slippers!) unable to defend himself whilst holding a tray of delicate china. Please tell me this is true, OS? I can guarantee* it is true. There were many Connie Opplesticks and there probably still are! Rooms full of randy middle aged women. 16 year old Daftburger dressed only in flimsy white overalls (pants of course ), it was hot work in the biscuit warehouse, their hungry eyes following my every move as I pushed my trolley of plates, biscuit warehouse to the dippers, dippers to the kilns, kilns to the checkers, checkers to the grinders, the Horror, the horror. Can I sue Oldstokie for bringing back these traumatic** memories? *probably **happy days! Where does blacking people balls with boot polish rank? If people start suing for what went on in the Forces we'll be worse off than Greece!
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Post by jarvinski on Jul 7, 2015 7:47:02 GMT
Its a good job he didn't work at the pit, he would have been strung up with what happened to young lads there
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Post by djh on Jul 7, 2015 8:24:46 GMT
I can't remember reading about this one in 'Foxy's tales'
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Jul 7, 2015 8:31:20 GMT
Surely Fox has to bring in Johnny Cochrane for this one... If the glove don't fit, you gotta acquit! (yes I know it's a civil not criminal case by the way). Cheers Connie Opplesticks
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