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Post by manchesterpotter on Jul 7, 2015 8:52:09 GMT
I don't quite understand the point of this going to trial. I can't see what evidence they'll have against Fox, especially considering that it's nearly 30 years ago and it only seems to be Blackstock's word against Fox's. Surely the only way they could convict is if some of the players who allegedly held him down came forward and admitted it. This is a civil hearing and not criminal. Guilt is proven on the balance of probability, not beyond reasonable doubt. There is no jury and the judge decides the outcome. There is no punishment awarded but compensation and costs can be awarded against the defendant. My guess is that Peter Fox will have a load of witnesses lined up to testify that banter and high jinx did occur but not how the defendant describes. Well it sounds like one hell of a waste of time.
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 7, 2015 9:16:23 GMT
The world's going fucking crackers. Perhaps I should sue 96 year old Connie Opplesticks who did sexually assault me when I was 16 and working in a pottery warehouse. She actually had the gall to feel at my bollox just when I was giving her a tray of saucers and I couldn't stop her. The imagery this conjures up is of rare Oatcake vintage. A woman called Connie Opplesticks (Connie fucking Opplesticks!) touching up a youthful Old Stokie (who I presume in those days didn't have his nut sack brushing up against his slippers!) unable to defend himself whilst holding a tray of delicate china. Please tell me this is true, OS? Perfectly true, Victor, and I went back for seconds... and thirds. However, if Foxy inserted a glove finger covered in Fiery Jack up the lad's rectum, then I agree with Skip... that's going too far and he wants fucking with a baseball bat covered in Fiery Jack for that level of abuse. That really isn't amusing. *Daftbugger... LOL. OS.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 7, 2015 12:13:43 GMT
This is a civil hearing and not criminal. Guilt is proven on the balance of probability, not beyond reasonable doubt. There is no jury and the judge decides the outcome. There is no punishment awarded but compensation and costs can be awarded against the defendant. My guess is that Peter Fox will have a load of witnesses lined up to testify that banter and high jinx did occur but not how the defendant describes. Well it sounds like one hell of a waste of time. Try telling that to the "Injuries 4U" lawyers.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 7, 2015 12:14:54 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 7, 2015 12:46:49 GMT
Am I right in thinking that the alleged victim would have been 15 or 16 when the first assault happened? It says he's 44 in the story, and the first incident was alleged to have happened in 1986.
The reaction by some on here is staggering, as if Fox's successful career means he couldn't possibly be guilty. Not to say he is guilty, we should let the judge decide on that one, but I also didn't think I'd see possible child abuse (if he was 15, and if he is found guilty) be treated with such brevity and light-heartedness on here.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 7, 2015 18:41:56 GMT
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 7, 2015 18:47:37 GMT
I never read such bollocks in all my life,apprentices when i was one had their balls blued up with marking out blue,head shoved down the bog and then ball and chained.The do good society we live in drives me insane.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 7, 2015 18:52:50 GMT
Do Smudge or any of the ex Navy lads on here remember the tales told about the Golden Rivet which all warships allegedly had down in the the vicinity of the keel? As a Customs Officer I was never shown it myself (thank God) - but I met a few blokes who had been taken down to see it on their first trip to sea.
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Post by mcf on Jul 7, 2015 19:06:29 GMT
The imagery this conjures up is of rare Oatcake vintage. A woman called Connie Opplesticks (Connie fucking Opplesticks!) touching up a youthful Old Stokie (who I presume in those days didn't have his nut sack brushing up against his slippers!) unable to defend himself whilst holding a tray of delicate china. Please tell me this is true, OS? Perfectly true, Victor, and I went back for seconds... and thirds. However, if Foxy inserted a glove finger covered in Fiery Jack up the lad's rectum, then I agree with Skip... that's going too far and he wants fucking with a baseball bat covered in Fiery Jack for that level of abuse. That really isn't amusing. *Daftbugger... LOL. OS. Too far my hairy bollocks. A couple of fingers wouldn't hurt anybody and for a footballer who should have a threshold for pain then it's an outrage for him to even bring it up - this will damage the club's good name if this really gets out. It would be no more problematic than a Nobby Stile....
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 7, 2015 19:59:07 GMT
Perfectly true, Victor, and I went back for seconds... and thirds. However, if Foxy inserted a glove finger covered in Fiery Jack up the lad's rectum, then I agree with Skip... that's going too far and he wants fucking with a baseball bat covered in Fiery Jack for that level of abuse. That really isn't amusing. *Daftbugger... LOL. OS. Too far my hairy bollocks. A couple of fingers wouldn't hurt anybody and for a footballer who should have a threshold for pain then it's an outrage for him to even bring it up - this will damage the club's good name if this really gets out. It would be no more problematic than a Nobby Stile.... I was reading this thread earlier and was reminded of you telling us of your penchant for a crafty finger up the bum courtesy of your good lady wife.
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Post by mcf on Jul 7, 2015 22:24:51 GMT
Too far my hairy bollocks. A couple of fingers wouldn't hurt anybody and for a footballer who should have a threshold for pain then it's an outrage for him to even bring it up - this will damage the club's good name if this really gets out. It would be no more problematic than a Nobby Stile.... I was reading this thread earlier and was reminded of you telling us of your penchant for a crafty finger up the bum courtesy of your good lady wife. A modern man should be prepared to give anything a whirl.
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 8, 2015 8:33:56 GMT
I was reading this thread earlier and was reminded of you telling us of your penchant for a crafty finger up the bum courtesy of your good lady wife. A modern man should be prepared to give anything a whirl. 'modern man'. OS.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 8, 2015 8:47:07 GMT
This wouldn't happen today.
Have you seen the padding on the modern glove?
You wouldn't get a finger up a porn stars arse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 17:56:04 GMT
This wouldn't happen today. Have you seen the padding on the modern glove? You wouldn't get a finger up a porn stars arse.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 8, 2015 20:46:26 GMT
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Peter Fox
Jul 8, 2015 20:57:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 20:57:56 GMT
If he loses his case he should get double gloved!!!
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Post by swampySCFC on Jul 8, 2015 21:12:59 GMT
He certainly needs to lose weight. How does an ex pro get that big?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 21:14:15 GMT
He certainly needs to lose weight. How does an ex pro get that big? Beer GD
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 9:40:58 GMT
Foxy was never a slim figure not quite a Southall but not far off.
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Peter Fox
Jul 9, 2015 21:37:45 GMT
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Post by Nick1984 on Jul 9, 2015 21:37:45 GMT
Doesn't matter what era it was in, it was psychopathic behavior. Seriously, who does that? There's other ways of getting kicks.
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Peter Fox
Jul 9, 2015 22:23:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 22:23:23 GMT
I never read such bollocks in all my life,apprentices when i was one had their balls blued up with marking out blue,head shoved down the bog and then ball and chained.The do good society we live in drives me insane. Never did you any harm eh Muts? Jack douglassesque wayyyyurrrl twitch No got greased down the pit, not pleasant. Did I cope? Yes. Would I want my sons go through it? Nope. Too many perverts have hidden behind 'it was just a laugh', sadists some of them, very creepy. Innocent until proven otherwise though re this or any other case
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Peter Fox
Jul 10, 2015 7:23:59 GMT
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jul 10, 2015 7:23:59 GMT
Used to work with a guy from Belfast that worked on the docks. On a young lads first day they used to throw them in the dock and throw nuts and bolts at them. It was known as Belfast confetti.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 10, 2015 7:37:25 GMT
I have to say that if Foxy and whoever else used to subject apprentices to this then they deserve what they get
If it wasn't Foxy and was Aaron Ramsay doing it to the apprentices at Arsenal we would all want him strung by the bollocks, for me it is not right then and not right now, I think we are making excuses because its an ex Stoke player which is not the point.
I would be utterly disgusted if my lad went to Stoke and the senior players acted this way
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Peter Fox
Jul 10, 2015 7:41:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 7:41:07 GMT
Used to work with a guy from Belfast that worked on the docks. On a young lads first day they used to throw them in the dock and throw nuts and bolts at them. It was known as Belfast confetti. Unless any of those nuts and bolts penetrated an orifice I think it's fair to say this is different.
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Post by greyman on Jul 10, 2015 12:04:20 GMT
It's easy to doubt the story about Connie Opplesticks but she was famously responsible for an outbreak of retrograde ejaculation syndrome across North Staffs in the 1950s. Literally hundreds of pot bank workers started fertilising themselves and had to be quarantined in the Dividy Road ghetto along with their monstrous offspring. Old Stokie had seven foetuses aborted before he managed to find a wife and turn things around. Literally. The mayor and mayoress of Bentilee, yesterday
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Post by skip on Jul 10, 2015 13:28:19 GMT
Humiliation as initiation. Fucking hell, honestly. How is that anything other than just shit. Know you place, know where you belong. And as Bollo pointed out, some right creepy fuckers hide behind these 'innocent japes'.
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Post by greyman on Jul 10, 2015 13:33:48 GMT
Humiliation as initiation. Fucking hell, honestly. How is that anything other than just shit. Know you place, know where you belong. And as Bollo pointed out, some right creepy fuckers hide behind these 'innocent japes'. I think it's amazing that anybody is suggesting some of the practices described on here are 'banter', 'japes' or whatever. The correct description is definitely 'sacking offence' or possibly even 'criminal offence'.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 10, 2015 13:37:27 GMT
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Post by skip on Jul 10, 2015 13:37:39 GMT
Humiliation as initiation. Fucking hell, honestly. How is that anything other than just shit. Know you place, know where you belong. And as Bollo pointed out, some right creepy fuckers hide behind these 'innocent japes'. I think it's amazing that anybody is suggesting some of the practices described on here are 'banter', 'japes' or whatever. The correct description is definitely 'sacking offence' or possibly even 'criminal offence'. And if you don't think it should be brushed off as japes the implicit suggestion is you're uptight or a mardy cunt. Yay to living in the enlightened 21C.
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Post by greyman on Jul 10, 2015 13:50:12 GMT
You can be an uptight mardy cunt and still be able to spot gross misconduct, rape or assault a mile off.
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