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Post by wokka59 on Jan 13, 2015 10:56:37 GMT
Just been sorting through my books and came across 'Naughty', had a flick through it again and just got me thinking who were the first chaps you can remember who came into either of these categories or perhaps both. I suppose for me Zigger-Zagger would be the first character I can recall. The first 'top-boy' I was made aware of was a chap called 'Drew' who apparently had a straightner with Vales' equivalent 'Fagger' Owen (rip) benind the Bycars in the early seventees.
Can anybody shed any light on the latter story?
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Post by elystokie on Jan 13, 2015 13:16:01 GMT
Probably Pete Tans in the late 70s, my Dad knew him from the Sea Lion and arranged for me to go in his Luton Van (full of nutters older than me) to away games, we'd just been relegated and seemed to be taking big numbers to a lot of places.
I also went weight training with him and his mate Mozzer, he could shift incredible weights, became Mr UK a few years later I think. From what I can gather he's no longer with us.
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Post by kevkj on Jan 13, 2015 14:06:41 GMT
Tony Gray and Sammy Boon were early characters.
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Post by MrFlirty on Jan 13, 2015 14:20:27 GMT
top boys/characters ...you mean thugs. Some of these characters threatened to beat me and my dad and my granddad up one day because neither of us had our Stoke scarves on on a hot day in the boothen end. Convinced we were supporting the other team despite the obvious Stoke accents, stoke rosettes, stoke badges. They should never been revered by anyone and glad we have moved on.
Right back to my peace loving world.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 13, 2015 14:23:44 GMT
Tony Gray and Sammy Boon were early characters. I knew both of them vaguely as well, saw Tony Gray in the Marquis of Granby couple of years ago, used to see Sammy knocking around Bentilee quite often. |
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 13, 2015 14:41:26 GMT
Probably Pete Tans in the late 70s, my Dad knew him from the Sea Lion and arranged for me to go in his Luton Van (full of nutters older than me) to away games, we'd just been relegated and seemed to be taking big numbers to a lot of places. I also went weight training with him and his mate Mozzer, he could shift incredible weights, became Mr UK a few years later I think. From what I can gather he's no longer with us. What was your dad thinking, sending you off with a load of nutters for the day, didn't he like you!?! |
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Post by desman2 on Jan 13, 2015 14:54:56 GMT
The two I knew were Mark Smith and Mark Bentley. Smithy was a true hard case. Used to work with his Dad in the 80s. Died in the 90s from cancer I believe.
Mark Bentley was about 6,4 with big build. I went to school with Mark in the early 70s and later we were in the army together. Regularly saw him getting his collar felt after a game at the vic. To talk to him you wouldnt have believed he got into that. He stepped in front of the London to Manchester express at Barlaston for reasons better known to himself.
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Post by Northy on Jan 13, 2015 15:02:08 GMT
Tony Gray and Sammy Boon were early characters. Still see them about now and then, I used to go away matches in Tony's van. Flea from the 70's, used to see him and some of his lads running amok the old Stoke end when stood in the boothen, I could make them out from a distance back then  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 15:09:34 GMT
My Dad. He was a Top boy/man. Took me to Stoke for about 14 years home and away and never got into and trouble. He even stopped a few Stoke lads kicking fuck out of a lad lying, knocked out on the ground.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 13, 2015 15:39:01 GMT
Probably Pete Tans in the late 70s, my Dad knew him from the Sea Lion and arranged for me to go in his Luton Van (full of nutters older than me) to away games, we'd just been relegated and seemed to be taking big numbers to a lot of places. I also went weight training with him and his mate Mozzer, he could shift incredible weights, became Mr UK a few years later I think. From what I can gather he's no longer with us. What was your dad thinking, sending you off with a load of nutters for the day, didn't he like you!?! I could never work it out myself  He either had no idea what the trips were like or he wanted to toughen me up a bit Like most Stokies at that time (seemed to me anyway) he never went looking for any trouble but he never ran away neither, he once waded straight into a load of Wolves fans who'd just ran into the Boothen at the end of one game, I'd be about 13 and he told me to take my younger cousin to the fence before he got amongst them  |
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Post by newsteadst3 on Jan 13, 2015 15:58:39 GMT
I always liked Alan Bennett, always at the aways in the 90s. RIP
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 13, 2015 15:59:40 GMT
Tony Gray and Sammy Boon were early characters. I knew both of them vaguely as well, saw Tony Gray in the Marquis of Granby couple of years ago, used to see Sammy knocking around Bentilee quite often. Used to catch a pre match beer up The Albion occasionally with Sammy then he'd always find his way back after the match to that small pub just down the road from MacD's in Hanley.......the Pig Pen? |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 13, 2015 16:29:57 GMT
I knew both of them vaguely as well, saw Tony Gray in the Marquis of Granby couple of years ago, used to see Sammy knocking around Bentilee quite often. Used to catch a pre match beer up The Albion occasionally with Sammy then he'd always find his way back after the match to that small pub just down the road from MacD's in Hanley.......the Pig Pen? That's the one Rarely visited it myself, my Hanley haunt was mainly Flickers around then. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 13, 2015 16:46:44 GMT
What was your dad thinking, sending you off with a load of nutters for the day, didn't he like you!?! I could never work it out myself He either had no idea what the trips were like or he wanted to toughen me up a bit Like most Stokies at that time (seemed to me anyway) he never went looking for any trouble but he never ran away neither, he once waded straight into a load of Wolves fans who'd just ran into the Boothen at the end of one game, I'd be about 13 and he told me to take my younger cousin to the fence before he got amongst them I'd say wading into a load of Wolves fans was looking for trouble, whether they were in the Boothen or not  |
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 13, 2015 17:00:28 GMT
Just been sorting through my books and came across 'Naughty', had a flick through it again and just got me thinking who were the first chaps you can remember who came into either of these categories or perhaps both. I suppose for me Zigger-Zagger would be the first character I can recall. The first 'top-boy' I was made aware of was a chap called 'Drew' who apparently had a straightner with Vales' equivalent 'Fagger' Owen (rip) benind the Bycars in the early seventees. Can anybody shed any light on the latter story? "Top boys/characters" my arse. Thankfully those days have gone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 17:04:03 GMT
Tony Gray and Sammy Boon were early characters. Sammy is still looking the same, bleached hair and dirty skin |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 13, 2015 17:14:35 GMT
I could never work it out myself He either had no idea what the trips were like or he wanted to toughen me up a bit Like most Stokies at that time (seemed to me anyway) he never went looking for any trouble but he never ran away neither, he once waded straight into a load of Wolves fans who'd just ran into the Boothen at the end of one game, I'd be about 13 and he told me to take my younger cousin to the fence before he got amongst them I'd say wading into a load of Wolves fans was looking for trouble, whether they were in the Boothen or not It took a while for the first one to pick up on that I was expecting it earlier. I imagine he saw it as protecting his son and nephew at the time, then there's the heat of the moment thing to consider. When I say he didn't go looking for it I meant he'd avoid places it was likely to happen if he could. |
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 13, 2015 17:21:47 GMT
I'd say wading into a load of Wolves fans was looking for trouble, whether they were in the Boothen or not It took a while for the first one to pick up on that I was expecting it earlier. I imagine he saw it as protecting his son and nephew at the time, then there's the heat of the moment thing to consider. When I say he didn't go looking for it I meant he'd avoid places it was likely to happen if he could. Oh dear, go stand against the fence whilst 'wading into a load of Wolves fans' is protecting his family? |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 13, 2015 17:25:21 GMT
It took a while for the first one to pick up on that :) I was expecting it earlier. I imagine he saw it as protecting his son and nephew at the time, then there's the heat of the moment thing to consider. When I say he didn't go looking for it I meant he'd avoid places it was likely to happen if he could. Oh dear, go stand against the fence whilst 'wading into a load of Wolves fans' is protecting his family? Were you there? He reacted the same way a lot of fans did who were down in that corner and a load of hooligans came storming in throwing punches, I'd have done the same if I was older. |
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 13, 2015 17:37:07 GMT
Oh dear, go stand against the fence whilst 'wading into a load of Wolves fans' is protecting his family? Were you there? He reacted the same way a lot of fans did who were down in that corner and a load of hooligans came storming in throwing punches, I'd have done the same if I was older. I don't really know which game you are referring to. I am speaking as a father mate, I didn't really want to be personal.But if I was with my little one, my reaction would have been different. Anyhow, thankfully none of us have to experience that situation again, and why should we whilst watching a game of football, and the team we love. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 13, 2015 17:51:02 GMT
Were you there? He reacted the same way a lot of fans did who were down in that corner and a load of hooligans came storming in throwing punches, I'd have done the same if I was older. I don't really know which game you are referring to. I am speaking as a father mate, I didn't really want to be personal.But if I was with my little one, my reaction would have been different. Anyhow, thankfully none of us have to experience that situation again, and why should we whilst watching a game of football, and the team we love. Indeed. There is far too much starry eyed nostalgia attached to those days. As a youngster it was absolutely terrifying. As a teenager, it was impossible to avoid (particularly if you traveled away) and you'd often have no option but be part of the 'pantomime' as a matter of pure self preservation. I was never a 'shrinking violet' but these were days that no-one in their right mind should want to see as anything other than a sad, but undeniable part of football history. Thank God it's locked in history where it belongs. |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 13, 2015 18:02:37 GMT
I never met him, but the father-in-law knew Coddy Hughes from days of The Torch.
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Post by paulinespens on Jan 13, 2015 18:05:09 GMT
Tony Gray and Sammy Boon were early characters. Went the FA cup final in a mini bus with Tony Gray and a few others. It has to go down as the best journey to and from a game ever. A young couple were with us on the way but didnt travel back with us. Cant think why  |
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 13, 2015 18:09:39 GMT
Were you there? He reacted the same way a lot of fans did who were down in that corner and a load of hooligans came storming in throwing punches, I'd have done the same if I was older. I don't really know which game you are referring to. I am speaking as a father mate, I didn't really want to be personal.But if I was with my little one, my reaction would have been different. Anyhow, thankfully none of us have to experience that situation again, and why should we whilst watching a game of football, and the team we love. Yeah, but how much is it costing us in real terms in comparison to those days. It's almost like a different game & not all for the better |
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 13, 2015 18:10:19 GMT
I never met him, but the father-in-law knew Coddy Hughes from days of The Torch. Really, can I get your autograph. Which position did he play? Please, this is a football message board relating to Stoke City FC. Go find the bloke and say hello, and take your shit elsewhere. |
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 13, 2015 18:14:02 GMT
I don't really know which game you are referring to. I am speaking as a father mate, I didn't really want to be personal.But if I was with my little one, my reaction would have been different. Anyhow, thankfully none of us have to experience that situation again, and why should we whilst watching a game of football, and the team we love. Yeah, but how much is it costing us in real terms in comparison to those days. It's almost like a different game & not all for the better I don't get you. Please elaborate. |
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Post by desman2 on Jan 13, 2015 18:19:34 GMT
I never met him, but the father-in-law knew Coddy Hughes from days of The Torch. Really, can I get your autograph. Which position did he play? Please, this is a football message board relating to Stoke City FC. Go find the bloke and say hello, and take your shit elsewhere. Its about a Stoke supporter who was murdered in a pub going or returning from an Ipswich game. |
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 13, 2015 18:30:01 GMT
Really, can I get your autograph. Which position did he play? Please, this is a football message board relating to Stoke City FC. Go find the bloke and say hello, and take your shit elsewhere. Its about a Stoke supporter who was murdered in a pub going or returning from an Ipswich game. I apologise for my ignorance. But that is the whole point isn't it. It is a game of football. |
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 13, 2015 18:38:10 GMT
Used to catch a pre match beer up The Albion occasionally with Sammy then he'd always find his way back after the match to that small pub just down the road from MacD's in Hanley.......the Pig Pen? That's the one Rarely visited it myself, my Hanley haunt was mainly Flickers around then. Flickers was for the well dressed of a Saturday night not a bunch of lads who'd not been home to change and get their tea I used to really like Sammy, he'd always take the young uns under his wing and show you a good time. Never realized he was a bloody headcase back in the day till years after. Tony gave us a lift back from the 4-0 battering at Springfield Park cause our car was left on the M6. Longest trip home I've ever been on from Wigan. Multiple nice little pubs in Cheshire, the Salamanca at Rode Heath wich was fun, they visited there regularly and that big place on the traffic lights at Talke. Got back Newcastle for last orders. Went on a few trips with him after that and they were always fun. Heavy on the pocket though! |
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Post by madmickthe3rd on Jan 13, 2015 18:47:37 GMT
Are the Conteh brothers still knocking around Stoke. Seem to remember they were "Proppa Norty"
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