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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 23, 2014 12:57:38 GMT
The negatives outweigh the positives for me and his cameo last night showed the good and bad of Charlie Adam. What was the bad Dave? We were a vastly more threatening outfit with him on. None of our other midfielders come remotely near his ability to change games. I agree. I thought he did well last night and he looked like he could help bring about an equalizer. There was bad though. Taking Cameron's place he was the one that didn't follow fibreglass' run (just like he didn't follow Henderson in the build up to Liverpool's goal. He gave the ball away in a very dangerous position (as did others) and he was lucky not to be sent off within what seemed like 10 minutes of coming on. In general, as a starter, the bad outweighs the good for me but I can well understood how and why others feel the opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 12:58:26 GMT
For a supposed slow bugger with not a lot of tricks he finds it easy to go past players in the middle of the pitch. Much prefer that to the constant sideways passing that Cameron and Nzonzi displayed in the whole game to the double-marked wingers on either flank. Nzonzi has the ability to do it, he just refuses and takes the safe option whenever its available. There's a difference between being slow and being unfit though. He cannot play week on week at the intensity needed in his role, he struggles past the 60 minute mark and that's being generous. It's not about his ability it's about his application.....
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Post by snoogle on Dec 23, 2014 15:00:48 GMT
Clearly unfit, but always looks like he will make something happen for us going forward.
Best pass of the night, cross field ball left to right to Bards...pity he can't lose a stone!
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Dec 23, 2014 16:09:30 GMT
We were more threatening when Assiadi came on. Now where's his thread? You're welcome to start one
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Post by tazi on Dec 23, 2014 16:13:19 GMT
He seems to have an interest in those white rectangular things at either end of the pitch that his colleagues are allergic to. Great little cameo and showed up some of those who started. I totally agree. We looked like a different team when he came on, and you could tell that he ruffled their feathers and they didn't like it. For a so called fat ****** who can't move, amazing how he seems to always be able to get himself into space and threatening areas of the pitch. Before he came on, we were a very easy to team to play against. Correct.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 16:26:14 GMT
He came on for the wrong person but he did well to take us forward. It left us exposed at the back though but that wasn't his fault.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 24, 2014 17:53:11 GMT
I fucking love Charlie Adam.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 24, 2014 18:00:19 GMT
Including him means dropping Bojan or Nzonzi.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 24, 2014 18:16:17 GMT
Including him means dropping Bojan or Nzonzi. Or getting N'Zonzi to take on a job he's capable of doing. Or changing the system. When you look at our woeful efforts at home against poor opposition this season (which West Brom are) it would be a fully justified decision to try either.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 24, 2014 18:20:41 GMT
Including him means dropping Bojan or Nzonzi. Or getting N'Zonzi to take on a job he's capable of doing. Or changing the system. When you look at our woeful efforts at home against poor opposition this season (which West Brom are) it would be a fully justified decision to try either. I quite like him but he's not worth changing the system for IMO.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Dec 24, 2014 18:21:50 GMT
Including him means dropping Bojan or Nzonzi. Or getting N'Zonzi to take on a job he's capable of doing. Or changing the system. When you look at our woeful efforts at home against poor opposition this season (which West Brom are) it would be a fully justified decision to try either. "Or changing the system" hallelujah, someone else thinking outside the box.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Dec 24, 2014 18:23:34 GMT
Or getting N'Zonzi to take on a job he's capable of doing. Or changing the system. When you look at our woeful efforts at home against poor opposition this season (which West Brom are) it would be a fully justified decision to try either. I quite like him but he's not worth changing the system for IMO. Haha who would you change the "system" for?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 24, 2014 18:24:50 GMT
Don't think the system's problem really, though I wish we'd realise we can't counter attack against everybody.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 24, 2014 18:25:05 GMT
I quite like him but he's not worth changing the system for IMO. Haha who would you change the "system" for? I don't think it needs changing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 24, 2014 18:30:52 GMT
Or getting N'Zonzi to take on a job he's capable of doing. Or changing the system. When you look at our woeful efforts at home against poor opposition this season (which West Brom are) it would be a fully justified decision to try either. I quite like him but he's not worth changing the system for IMO. I suppose it's what approach you think West Brom will take Rob. If you think they're going to be cautious and wait for errors in the mold of Leicester, Burnley etc then a change of system should be under consideration with or without Adam. I just don't know what additional havoc will be reaked by playing Adam? It's already strong odds on we will concede against Everton and West Brom anyway. We haven't kept a clean sheet since the old King died. How much worse can it get in that department?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Dec 24, 2014 18:31:48 GMT
Don't think the system's problem really, though I wish we'd realise we can't counter attack against everybody. We surely must realise this though, but we are not addressing it. This system which can't change is what I believe is holding us back.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 24, 2014 18:35:14 GMT
Don't think the system's problem really, though I wish we'd realise we can't counter attack against everybody. We surely must realise this though, but we are not addressing it. This system which can't change is what I believe is holding us back. I don't see how the system itself is holding us back? It's not down to the system that we can't keep a clean sheet, and we've started to create more chances as well.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 24, 2014 18:37:59 GMT
I quite like him but he's not worth changing the system for IMO. I suppose it's what approach you think West Brom will take Rob. If you think they're going to be cautious and wait for errors in the mold of Leicester, Burnley etc then a change of system should be under consideration with or without Adam. I just don't know what additional havoc will be reaked by playing Adam? It's already strong odds on we will concede against Everton and West Brom anyway. We haven't kept a clean sheet since the old King died. How much worse can it get in that department? My fear is that we're giving shit sides maybe one or two chances a game that they invariably score from, and that with nobody protecting the back four we'd start giving them four or five chances. I think West Brom will defend, would hope we could impose ourselves early like we did against the Arse and WHU. Fancy us to do Everton.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 18:42:01 GMT
For a supposed slow bugger with not a lot of tricks he finds it easy to go past players in the middle of the pitch. Much prefer that to the constant sideways passing that Cameron and Nzonzi displayed in the whole game to the double-marked wingers on either flank. Nzonzi has the ability to do it, he just refuses and takes the safe option whenever its available. There's a difference between being slow and being unfit though. He cannot play week on week at the intensity needed in his role, he struggles past the 60 minute mark and that's being generous. It's not about his ability it's about his application..... How do you know this? he hasn't looked like struggling to me...... Altho I haven't seen him being given 60minutes I suppose
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Dec 24, 2014 18:44:49 GMT
We surely must realise this though, but we are not addressing it. This system which can't change is what I believe is holding us back. I don't see how the system itself is holding us back? It's not down to the system that we can't keep a clean sheet, and we've started to create more chances as well. This system obsession is holding us back, Hughes is signing players who don't fit it.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 24, 2014 18:47:05 GMT
I don't see how the system itself is holding us back? It's not down to the system that we can't keep a clean sheet, and we've started to create more chances as well. This system obsession is holding us back, Hughes is signing players who don't fit it. Other than Diouf, who else?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 18:59:42 GMT
There's a difference between being slow and being unfit though. He cannot play week on week at the intensity needed in his role, he struggles past the 60 minute mark and that's being generous. It's not about his ability it's about his application..... How do you know this? he hasn't looked like struggling to me...... Altho I haven't seen him being given 60minutes I suppose Since the day he signed for us he's look knackered most games to be fair. He's not as fit now as he was back then either. I know match fitness only comes with game time, but I think Hughes finds it hard to trust him for 90 mins as he's clearly got talent....
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Dec 24, 2014 19:02:16 GMT
This system obsession is holding us back, Hughes is signing players who don't fit it. Other than Diouf, who else? Bojan, and I know it's only a rumour, but if we signed Roberto, where on earth would he fit in our so called "system"?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 24, 2014 19:04:44 GMT
Other than Diouf, who else? Bojan, and I know it's only a rumour, but if we signed Roberto, where on earth would he fit in our so called "system"? In what way does Bojan, who's carried the team's attacking play on his shoulders for the past month, not fit the system? His performances in the number 10 role have been the best I can remember from a player in that position and easily the best of the Hughes era. Roberto is a DM isn't he? He'd fill the Whelan role presumably? Are we even definitely interested in him?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Dec 24, 2014 19:15:22 GMT
Bojan, and I know it's only a rumour, but if we signed Roberto, where on earth would he fit in our so called "system"? In what way does Bojan, who's carried the team's attacking play on his shoulders for the past month, not fit the system? His performances in the number 10 role have been the best I can remember from a player in that position and easily the best of the Hughes era. Roberto is a DM isn't he? He'd fill the Whelan role presumably? Are we even definitely interested in him? We don't have a goalscorer. Bojan scores goals for fun, yet he is currently dropping off to collect the ball in his own half. Roberto I don't know much about, but according to folk on here, who have seen him, he is nowhere near a DM. He would be competing with n'zonzi
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 19:16:49 GMT
Other than Diouf, who else? Bojan, and I know it's only a rumour, but if we signed Roberto, where on earth would he fit in our so called "system"? Bojan doesn't fit the system? You're talking shit now mate.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 24, 2014 19:18:13 GMT
In what way does Bojan, who's carried the team's attacking play on his shoulders for the past month, not fit the system? His performances in the number 10 role have been the best I can remember from a player in that position and easily the best of the Hughes era. Roberto is a DM isn't he? He'd fill the Whelan role presumably? Are we even definitely interested in him? We don't have a goalscorer. Bojan scores goals for fun, yet he is currently dropping off to collect the ball in his own half. Roberto I don't know much about, but according to folk on here, who have seen him, he is nowhere near a DM. He would be competing with n'zonzi Bojan scored goals for fun in the Barcelona youth team. That doesn't mean he can do it here. He's not an out and out striker - that clearly isn't his game and by shoving him up top we'd be wasting him, IMO. He's playing brilliantly where he is and isn't out of position. Players who don't fit the system don't have the massive influence on it that he's having.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 24, 2014 19:18:57 GMT
In what way does Bojan, who's carried the team's attacking play on his shoulders for the past month, not fit the system? His performances in the number 10 role have been the best I can remember from a player in that position and easily the best of the Hughes era. Roberto is a DM isn't he? He'd fill the Whelan role presumably? Are we even definitely interested in him? We don't have a goalscorer. Bojan scores goals for fun, yet he is currently dropping off to collect the ball in his own half. Roberto I don't know much about, but according to folk on here, who have seen him, he is nowhere near a DM. He would be competing with n'zonzi I read on that thread that was a metronomic DM. I'm not convinced we're in for him regardless.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Dec 24, 2014 19:24:50 GMT
Bojan, and I know it's only a rumour, but if we signed Roberto, where on earth would he fit in our so called "system"? Bojan doesn't fit the system? You're talking shit now mate. Sorry mate and I will forgive your mouth, but please don't don't just make random statements.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Dec 24, 2014 19:27:02 GMT
We don't have a goalscorer. Bojan scores goals for fun, yet he is currently dropping off to collect the ball in his own half. Roberto I don't know much about, but according to folk on here, who have seen him, he is nowhere near a DM. He would be competing with n'zonzi I read on that thread that was a metronomic DM. I'm not convinced we're in for him regardless. Haha no as I have already said he doesn't fit the bloody system.
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