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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 18:10:02 GMT
I'm also sure that all the emergency services love dealing with such incidents especially when they could be at home with their family.
Some people on here like to sneer or snipe from afar , safe in the knowledge that they will never have to deal with emergencies themselves.
This thread is now over , and the consequences of it laid bare for all to see and ponder over.
Society is what it is .
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 24, 2014 18:30:44 GMT
I'm also sure that all the emergency services love dealing with such incidents especially when they could be at home with their family. Some people on here like to sneer or snipe from afar , safe in the knowledge that they will never have to deal with emergencies themselves. This thread is now over , and the consequences of it laid bare for all to see and ponder over. Society is what it is . The mans only been dead a couple of days & hasn't been buried. There's no such thing as an accident...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 18:35:38 GMT
I'm also sure that all the emergency services love dealing with such incidents especially when they could be at home with their family. Some people on here like to sneer or snipe from afar , safe in the knowledge that they will never have to deal with emergencies themselves. This thread is now over , and the consequences of it laid bare for all to see and ponder over. Society is what it is . The mans only been dead a couple of days & hasn't been buried. There's no such thing as an accident... The only 'accident' are your misplaced comments.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 24, 2014 19:13:20 GMT
Well I'm sure he feels better now that he's learned his harsh lesson at the hands of the oh so wise & righteous police forse... Happy ChristmasXx Have you ever had the police come bursting into the place you were & taser you for no reason at all? No? Neither have I, or anyone else who was behaving themselves. If the police arrive they do so for a reason, if the police then use a taser on someone they do so for a reason.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 24, 2014 19:14:51 GMT
The mans only been dead a couple of days & hasn't been buried. There's no such thing as an accident... The only 'accident' are your misplaced comments. Is MumF short for MotherĀ£@#&er
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 24, 2014 19:20:25 GMT
Well I'm sure he feels better now that he's learned his harsh lesson at the hands of the oh so wise & righteous police forse... Happy ChristmasXx Have you ever had the police come bursting into the place you were & taser you for no reason at all? No? Neither have I, or anyone else who was behaving themselves. If the police arrive they do so for a reason, if the police then use a taser on someone they do so for a reason. I've seen the police rock up at the DSS, cause some fella won't leave without a giro for his family & even though they are mob handed, will send in the WPC with the CS Gas for a bit of sport.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 24, 2014 19:26:25 GMT
I've seen the police rock up at the DSS, cause some fella won't leave without a giro for his family & even though they are mob handed, will send in the WPC with the CS Gas for a bit of sport. So the staff told him either he wasn't entiled or it'd be sorted as soon as they could & he'd have to wait a bit. Hes kicked off & been a nob. The police have been called to help deal with the situation. The bloke has still been a nob so they've delt with it. Sounds all to common for me. .... Or let me guess, the bloke was an innocent little angel who was ever so polite, then he sat there like a little church mouse & didn't make a sound. The big bad nasty police arrived & CS Gassed him the second they walked through the door.
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 24, 2014 19:31:08 GMT
Well I'm sure he feels better now that he's learned his harsh lesson at the hands of the oh so wise & righteous police forse... Happy ChristmasXx Have you ever had the police come bursting into the place you were & taser you for no reason at all? No? Neither have I, or anyone else who was behaving themselves. If the police arrive they do so for a reason, if the police then use a taser on someone they do so for a reason. You seriously need a list of people unlawfully killed by the police?? It doesn't always have to happen in London or a riot, tragically can happen here too.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 24, 2014 19:34:09 GMT
I've seen the police rock up at the DSS, cause some fella won't leave without a giro for his family & even though they are mob handed, will send in the WPC with the CS Gas for a bit of sport. So the staff told him either he wasn't entiled or it'd be sorted as soon as they could & he'd have to wait a bit. Hes kicked off & been a nob. The police have been called to help deal with the situation. The bloke has still been a nob so they've delt with it. Sounds all to common for me. .... Or let me guess, the bloke was an innocent little angel who was ever so polite, then he sat there like a little church mouse & didn't make a sound. The big bad nasty police arrived & CS Gassed him the second they walked through the door. Do you really think that flesh & blood copper operate within the realm of their authority and dont waver under the strain of ego & machismo...
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 24, 2014 19:36:35 GMT
You seriously need me a list of people unlawfully killed by the police?? It doesn't always have to happen in London or a riot, tragically can happen here too. A list of people who have been murdered by the police who were completely innocent, didn't have any weapons, weren't posing a threat in the slightest, weren't being agressive, weren't disobeying orders, weren't part of a crowd/gang/etc... Yeah go on, I'd love a list of how many times it's happened.
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 24, 2014 19:37:18 GMT
The mans only been dead a couple of days & hasn't been buried. There's no such thing as an accident... The only 'accident' are your misplaced comments. Why are they misplaced? This board allows you to be vengefully judgemental most weeks because we do free speech here. Bath is allowed his opinion in just the same way.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 24, 2014 19:38:52 GMT
Do you really think that flesh & blood copper operate within the realm of their authority and dont waver under the strain of ego & machismo... Nowhere have I said that some coppers aren't cunts, or that some coppers love the power trip or whatever else. But if you do as they say & don't give it the big 'un, don't act the bad nob, don't give them any reason to have to use force against you, then they wont. (The scale of that force they use against you will depend upon how big a bellend you're acting)
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 24, 2014 19:38:55 GMT
You seriously need me a list of people unlawfully killed by the police?? It doesn't always have to happen in London or a riot, tragically can happen here too. A list of people who have been murdered by the police who were completely innocent, didn't have any weapons, weren't posing a threat in the slightest, weren't being agressive, weren't disobeying orders, weren't part of a crowd/gang/etc... Yeah go on, I'd love a list of how many times it's happened. Start with these two extremely well known ones? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinsonen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 19:46:39 GMT
The only 'accident' are your misplaced comments. Why are they misplaced? This board allows you to be vengefully judgemental most weeks because we do free speech here. Bath is allowed his opinion in just the same way. As a moderator you should already know the answer to that. Free speech is one thing , but to speculate and suggest by words or actions can be very dangerous especially with the sensitive nature of this case and any possible investigation. No one on here knows the full circumstances of this case and therefore it is wholly inappropriate to infer anything which may prejudice any possible trial or incite others to do so. At the very least , it is an affront to normal decency and respect. Unless , of course , you or Bathstokie know better. Mumf
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 24, 2014 19:48:39 GMT
The first one, and I quote from your own link.... IT worker Ross Hardy, said Tomlinson was drunk and refusing to moveIf he'd obeyed the law nothing after that point would have taken place, but yet again it was a case of someone thinking they're above the law. The second one, we'd just had a terroist attack, the police got their target wrong but had the intel that soemone (Who they believed was him) was going to blow up the tube again. Yes they fucked up, but if he'd have actually been the one & did blow himself up you'd nodoubt be up in arms about how shit our police force are. Even if I let you have that second one, and go on, I'm feeling generous so I will, that's one, ONE! Does that really mean we've got this widespread problem of coppers running around the country killing innocent people left, right & centre?
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 24, 2014 19:51:34 GMT
Why are they misplaced? This board allows you to be vengefully judgemental most weeks because we do free speech here. Bath is allowed his opinion in just the same way. As a moderator you should already know the answer to that. Free speech is one thing , but to speculate and suggest by words or actions can be very dangerous especially with the sensitive nature of this case and any possible investigation. No one on here knows the full circumstances of this case and therefore it is wholly inappropriate to infer anything which may prejudice any possible trial or incite others to do so. At the very least , it is an affront to normal decency and respect. Unless , of course , you or Bathstokie know better. Mumf I do hear you actually - but atm my view is we're only going with the story as it changes from day to day and opinions are bound to change with that - in fact what seemed the most wildly speculative post, about the real circs, has proved to be the truest so far. Some will automatically default to a pro-police view, some more sceptical, some in the middle - honestly I don't see a problem there and this is a really important topic to those of us still living in North Staffs, after all this is our local force we're talking about.
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 24, 2014 19:54:46 GMT
DC, so drunk and being troublesome justifies what happened to Ian Tomlinson?? Which sounds, maybe, horribly like what happened to Adrian McDonald?
Btw I'm also feeling great sympathy for the officer who did this, he must feel like crap. It's the policy to taser in these circumstances that worries the hell out of me.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 24, 2014 19:58:27 GMT
DC, so drunk and being troublesome justifies what happened to Ian Tomlinson?? No! I'm not saying he deserved to die for being drunk, but if he'd done what the police told him to do in the first place then he'd still be alive today. THAT is the whole point! When the police told him to fuck off he should have fucked off, if he had have done then nothing after that point would have happened. They're the police, he should have listened to & respected what they said to him.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 24, 2014 20:02:53 GMT
DC, so drunk and being troublesome justifies what happened to Ian Tomlinson?? Which sounds, maybe, horribly like what happened to Adrian McDonald? Btw I'm also feeling great sympathy for the officer who did this, he must feel like crap. It's the policy to taser in these circumstances that worries the hell out of me. In respect of Adrian McDonald & in the spirit of Christmas & if everyone is in agreement, perhaps this thread could be deleted!?!
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Post by boothenboy75 on Dec 24, 2014 20:11:29 GMT
As a moderator you should already know the answer to that. Free speech is one thing , but to speculate and suggest by words or actions can be very dangerous especially with the sensitive nature of this case and any possible investigation. No one on here knows the full circumstances of this case and therefore it is wholly inappropriate to infer anything which may prejudice any possible trial or incite others to do so. At the very least , it is an affront to normal decency and respect. Unless , of course , you or Bathstokie know better. Mumf I do hear you actually - but atm my view is we're only going with the story as it changes from day to day and opinions are bound to change with that - in fact what seemed the most wildly speculative post, about the real circs, has proved to be the truest so far. Some will automatically default to a pro-police view, some more sceptical, some in the middle - honestly I don't see a problem there and this is a really important topic to those of us still living in North Staffs, after all this is our local force we're talking about. I don't think either your or most definitely Baths opinions have changed since the very 1st post. You can tell from the outset how excited you both are that possibly (although most unlikely) some copper's done something wrong. I asuume you'd want the police protecting you and yours when the situation arises? You could probably both do with researching what tasers were introduced for and what there rules of use are. As your ignorance is making you look even dafter than normal. Oh, Merry Christmas.
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 24, 2014 20:14:52 GMT
I don't think either your or most definitely Baths opinions have changed since the very 1st post. You can tell from the outset how excited you both are that possibly (although most unlikely) some copper's done something wrong. I asuume you'd want the police protecting you and yours when the situation arises? You could probably both do with researching what tasers were introduced for and what there rules of use are. As your ignorance is making you look even dafter than normal. Oh, Merry Christmas. [/quote] I'm NOT anti-police. Nor am I totally anti-taser, of course they have a place. I DO believe a force we appoint as a society to maintain law and order should be answerable for their actions, more so when they carry lethal weapons. Don't you??
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 24, 2014 20:17:09 GMT
DC, so drunk and being troublesome justifies what happened to Ian Tomlinson?? Which sounds, maybe, horribly like what happened to Adrian McDonald? Btw I'm also feeling great sympathy for the officer who did this, he must feel like crap. It's the policy to taser in these circumstances that worries the hell out of me. In respect of Adrian McDonald & in the spirit of Christmas & if everyone is in agreement, perhaps this thread could be deleted!?! Hmm. Someone will say something so offensive soon on one side or the other soon that it'll get binned/locked but till then it does seem to me a really important local topic and it's good to see that on EE again honestly.
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Post by craig67 on Dec 24, 2014 20:18:46 GMT
The word attack means somthing more sinister than reasonable force Your choice of words often makes you look silly. If the police were faced with provocation to use a taser as reasonable force it is not a police attack. Your choice of words to people who don't know you would seem very one sided sgainst the police If the police were attacked first by someone with an equivalent weapon then I agree, attack wouldn't be the right word.... So the Police have to be attacked first for them to justify the use of any force on their behalf? 'Bloody hell he's only got a crowbar-better throw my Tazer and gun away and get out my extendible baton to make sure it's a fair fight!'
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Post by boothenboy75 on Dec 24, 2014 20:19:35 GMT
I don't think either your or most definitely Baths opinions have changed since the very 1st post. You can tell from the outset how excited you both are that possibly (although most unlikely) some copper's done something wrong. I asuume you'd want the police protecting you and yours when the situation arises? You could probably both do with researching what tasers were introduced for and what there rules of use are. As your ignorance is making you look even dafter than normal. Oh, Merry Christmas. I'm NOT anti-police. Nor am I totally anti-taser, of course they have a place. I DO believe a force we appoint as a society to maintain law and order should be answerable for their actions, more so when they carry lethal weapons. Don't you?? [/quote] Yes, I don't think anyone doesn't think the police should be held accountable for their actions just like anyone else. Thats why the case was immediately handed to the PCC to investigate! It seems though that the usuals have already decided that tasers are used far too much, this was an accident waiting to happen and that tasers were awful toys for awful boys. Talk about agendas.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 24, 2014 22:01:30 GMT
The word attack means somthing more sinister than reasonable force Your choice of words often makes you look silly. If the police were faced with provocation to use a taser as reasonable force it is not a police attack. Your choice of words to people who don't know you would seem very one sided sgainst the police If the police were attacked first by someone with an equivalent weapon then I agree, attack wouldn't be the right word - nothing we've heard reported so far suggests that was the case. If it turns out that the guy was threatening the police with a gun or a taser or some other lethal weapon, then I'll take 'attack' back of course. Till then it still seems a good word to use to me. In many cases of 'provocation' I don't believe tasering is justifed and as this mess of a situation has proved, it can be lethal. Other forces manage with a lot less use of taser than Staffs - are suspected criminals really more threatening here than anywhere else in the country?? How about only use the word " attack" when somthing of the sort has been proved Everything else you say is rubbish
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 22:42:33 GMT
The only 'accident' are your misplaced comments. Why are they misplaced? This board allows you to be vengefully judgemental most weeks because we do free speech here. Bath is allowed his opinion in just the same way. Dear Liberal Pissflapper , Rather than respond in a similar way to that comment you have just made , I in this instance would prefer to draw on the conscience and common sense of those posters who can see through your 'logic' and remain silent . No comment . Mumf
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Post by salopstick on Dec 24, 2014 23:41:15 GMT
Sal is a liberal
She thinks the world should be pink and fluffy She knows absolute fuck all
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 23:53:00 GMT
Sal is a liberal She thinks the world should be pink and fluffy She knows absolute fuck all No ....I'm sorry but she started off a 'Liberal Pissflapper'.... Then became a committed socialist ... ....and then formed a loving relationship with a tree....The Green Party. .! From little acorns do giant ....... Women ...they indicate right and turn left..... Mumf
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 25, 2014 8:00:31 GMT
Why are they misplaced? This board allows you to be vengefully judgemental most weeks because we do free speech here. Bath is allowed his opinion in just the same way. Dear Liberal Pissflapper , Rather than respond in a similar way to that comment you have just made , I in this instance would prefer to draw on the conscience and common sense of those posters who can see through your 'logic' and remain silent . No comment . MotherĀ£@#&er Good luck with that silence, I don't hold out much hope...
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Post by boothenboy75 on Dec 25, 2014 10:53:36 GMT
It seems that this thread is a great place to take out those Christmas frustrations.
After pissing around with toy packaging for the best part of 2 hours, I think that all toy manufacturers should be tasered daily, and there can be no debate about that.
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