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Post by tuum on Dec 18, 2014 17:58:36 GMT
You can apply the exact same argument to alcohol. I would argue that the effect of Mum and Dads alcohol abuse affects children's lives a lot more than passive smoking. Well, I just replied to the opening post on smoking Food for thought tho your argument on alcohol numbers? I'm not as sure on the figures as you are but, if you are correct then yes I agree The smoking ban would be ridiculously difficult law to enforce......but what it would do, would be to put the thought in parents/adults thoughts........hopefully that is all it would take to stop a lot of people I have no figures to back up my argument just a gut feeling based on my upbringing. I went to a rough school in a rough area and saw the alcohol induced arguments, the violence, the neglect of kids and the fear and confusion when Eight Ace came home. For those who know me. I am not talking about my family and my upbringing. That was generally ok altho there was the occasional 8 Ace moment. I am talking about friends and people I went to school with or people my Dad knew.
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Post by tuum on Dec 18, 2014 18:02:45 GMT
P.s. I didn't realize until now that 8 Ace's full name is Octavius Tinsworth Ace. How good are those guys from Viz eh? I'd be proud to have a name like that.
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Post by 2004 on Dec 18, 2014 22:05:56 GMT
People shouldn't smoke in cars full stop
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Post by tuum on Dec 19, 2014 5:51:15 GMT
People shouldn't smoke in cars full stop Why?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 6:13:04 GMT
People shouldn't smoke in cars full stop Why? You're not in full control of the vehicle with a fag on the go ask salop, he's had a few fags on the go in his time
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Post by tuum on Dec 19, 2014 6:14:26 GMT
I don't smoke. Never have done, never will. It is a Governments job to legislate but I object to the Govt interfering and telling people how to live their lives on such a minor problem such as passive smoking. It is a non issue in my opinion. If they really care about our children's health why not start with the food industry which is the real killer in our midst. Start tackling the sugar epidemic. I note the EU is now proposing that employers have to make special provisions for obese employees who would be classed as disabled (BMI >40). This is not the way to deal with the problem. I am apparently obese. My BMI is >30. I am a fat git. It is my fault I am a fat git and I need to do something about it. What I don't want is a special parking space next to the main entrance of my office building. In fact, I need a space as far away as possible. Even better, take my car off me and make me use public transport. What I do need is help to understand what food stuffs are genuinely good for me. This is where Govt can help by ensuring food manufacturers are more honest in explaining what is in their products. Advertising food as low fat is ok but then failing to mention that it has been loaded with bad sugars to compensate is duplicitous.. The government should be tackling this issue rather than the passive smoking non event.
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Post by tuum on Dec 19, 2014 6:22:52 GMT
You're not in full control of the vehicle with a fag on the go ask salop, he's had a few fags on the go in his time What if you are the passenger? Why do car manufacturers put cup holders in their cars for drivers? If you legislate on that basis for fags then everything else should be legislated on the same basis. Changing gear means you are not in full control for a second or so....the same time it takes to sneak a crafty drag on your fag? I can understand eating an apple is more dangerous but smoking a fag is low risk in my opinion and not worthy of legislation on safety grounds.. How many people drive with one hand on the steering wheel for extended periods...I know I do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 6:32:11 GMT
It is illegal to eat while driving isn't it? And anyway, even if you are the passenger, if you light up a fag in a confined space such as a car I would imagine you'd get thrown out by the other passengers for being an ignorant smelly cunt
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Post by tazi on Dec 19, 2014 6:35:14 GMT
Whilst they're at it why not allow cameras in police cars to film those on mobile phones and then ban the cnuts for three years, retake their tests and then tell them to fcuk off and do one ya bastard cuz you're having no licence ya twat?.
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Post by tazi on Dec 19, 2014 6:36:53 GMT
It is illegal to eat while driving isn't it? And anyway, even if you are the passenger, if you light up a fag in a confined space such as a car I would imagine you'd get thrown out by the other passengers for being an ignorant smelly cunt Only if she's eating cock.
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Post by redsaturday on Dec 19, 2014 8:49:23 GMT
Is it illegal to smoke whilst riding a motor bike
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 19, 2014 10:53:44 GMT
And let's ban music systems in cars. Messing about changing a cd can be as dangerous as talking on a mobile phone. I know what I'm talking about. I've had a couple of near misses myself while I was switching from Pink Floyd to Eminem. Another brick in the fucking wall! This is what kids should do to State control. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 10:55:45 GMT
And let's ban music systems in cars. Messing about changing a cd can be as dangerous as talking on a mobile phone. I know what I'm talking about. I've had a couple of near misses myself while I was switching from Pink Floyd to Eminem. Another brick in the fucking wall! OS.
Or just ban anyone over 60
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 19, 2014 11:01:03 GMT
And let's ban music systems in cars. Messing about changing a cd can be as dangerous as talking on a mobile phone. I know what I'm talking about. I've had a couple of near misses myself while I was switching from Pink Floyd to Eminem. Another brick in the fucking wall! OS.
Or just ban anyone over 60 Or Soylent Green. My lad says that's the best end for me cus I don't conform. The strange thing is that my grandkids think I'm ace because I don't. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 12:05:08 GMT
anyone who smokes in their car whilst they have kids in there is a dick anyway IMO (and i'm a smoker so not as if i'm getting all self-righteous)
different when it's adult passengers, they no doubt know you're a smoker so have the option of whether or not to get into the car with you, your kids in general don't though.
just proves how the driver has a complete lack of respect for his/her own children and their health.
i've never understood this attitude some parents seem to have of "I'm the parent, you're the kid so therefore you just sit there quietly and i tell you what's what and you suffer the consequences of my decisions". just because they're younger than us doesn't mean they deserve any less respect as a human being or have fewer basic rights than us adults
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Post by tuum on Dec 19, 2014 14:00:01 GMT
anyone who smokes in their car whilst they have kids in there is a dick anyway IMO (and i'm a smoker so not as if i'm getting all self-righteous) different when it's adult passengers, they no doubt know you're a smoker so have the option of whether or not to get into the car with you, your kids in general don't though. just proves how the driver has a complete lack of respect for his/her own children and their health. i've never understood this attitude some parents seem to have of "I'm the parent, you're the kid so therefore you just sit there quietly and i tell you what's what and you suffer the consequences of my decisions". just because they're younger than us doesn't mean they deserve any less respect as a human being or have fewer basic rights than us adults I agree but I don't think we need to legislate for that. The government should try to educate and inform not try to prescribe for every little thing. The number of adults who smoke while their kids are in the car I imagine is pretty small. If they are so insensitive to their kids comfort then I suspect that they are probably the same at home behind closed doors. On the other hand, the kids can always wind the window down to get their point across. If Mum/Dad makes them wind it back up again instead of putting out their fag then they are pretty shit parents and smoking in the car would be the least of my concerns for the welfare of their kids.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 19, 2014 19:08:23 GMT
What about e-puffers?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 2:29:17 GMT
I don't smoke. Never have done, never will. It is a Governments job to legislate but I object to the Govt interfering and telling people how to live their lives on such a minor problem such as passive smoking. It is a non issue in my opinion. If they really care about our children's health why not start with the food industry which is the real killer in our midst. Start tackling the sugar epidemic. I note the EU is now proposing that employers have to make special provisions for obese employees who would be classed as disabled (BMI >40). This is not the way to deal with the problem.a I am apparently obese. My BMI is >30. I am a fat git. It is my fault I am a fat git and I need to do something about it. What I don't want is a special parking space next to the main entrance of my office building. In fact, I need a space as far away as possible. Even better, take my car off me and make me use public transport. What I do need is help to understand what food stuffs are genuinely good for me. This is where Govt can help by ensuring food manufacturers are more honest in explaining what is in their products. Advertising food as low fat is ok but then failing to mention that it has been loaded with bad sugars to compensate is duplicitous.. The government should be tackling this issue rather than the passive smoking non event. I have never smoked but both my parents were heavy smokers, I also frequented pubs which were thick with smoke.to this day I suffer with cattarh.i cannot say for sure it is the result of passive smoking but I am sure it is a contributory factor. obviously in this day and age most parents would never inflict their smoke on their children but sadly not all parents are responsible that is why we need laws.
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Post by tuum on Dec 20, 2014 3:34:11 GMT
[/quote]I have never smoked but both my parents were heavy smokers, I also frequented pubs which were thick with smoke.to this day I suffer with cattarh.i cannot say for sure it is the result of passive smoking but I am sure it is a contributory factor. obviously in this day and age most parents would never inflict their smoke on their children but sadly not all parents are responsible that is why we need laws. [/quote] Your experiences seems exactly the same as mine and I believe we are around the same age. I do not suffer from cattarh. What percentage of your cattarh is due to your parents smoking inside the car while you were with them and what % was due to home smoking exposure and/or the pub exposure? What about your exposure to the general air quality in SoT while you were growing up? Seatbelts in cars, hard hats in work places. Yes, I can understand as these measures clearly save lives ( however, a part of me says that it's your life, your risk but that opens up another massive debate in its own right). Passive smoking effects from being stuck in a car for a very limited period of time..I don't think so. As I said, there are more important issues to be dealing with than one tiny element within the passive smoking debate. I am also against the ban on smoking in pubs and restaurants. People should be allowed to make their own informed choices. If a pub wants to allow smoking then it should be allowed to do so. It just needs to clearly advertise this fact to its potential customers and then they can make a choice. Same goes for restaurants. I probably would not go to a restaurant that allows smoking but I am likely to go to a pub that allows smoking in common areas. The way it is going with these creeping bans on where you can/cannot smoke it would be better in the long run just to ban tobacco products all together. Get all the bitterness and hostility over with in one go. I wonder why they have not done that .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 3:58:03 GMT
Just ban fucking everything - that's what I say.
Then everyone will be happy.
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Post by redsaturday on Dec 20, 2014 7:24:52 GMT
Just ban fucking everything - that's what I say. Then everyone will be happy. My wife has banned fucking I'm not happy
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 20, 2014 8:18:59 GMT
Just ban fucking everything - that's what I say. Then everyone will be happy. My wife has banned fucking I'm not happy How about love making ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 8:24:16 GMT
Just ban fucking everything - that's what I say. Then everyone will be happy. My wife has banned fucking I'm not happy I think you'll find she only banned it with you
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 20, 2014 11:22:47 GMT
The thing is, it won't stop people smoking in a car with kids in, it will just mean that they will now do it illegally and in turn will create more revenue for the government in the way of fines!
As a non smoker even I find this a little dictator-ish! I would hope most parents wouldn't in the first place but for the that's in parliament to tell us what we can and can not do in our own property is absurd!
If I smoked, and was in MY car with MY children and wanted to smoke one of MY cigarettes then I Fucking well would do!
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Post by tazi on Dec 20, 2014 13:04:36 GMT
The thing is, it won't stop people smoking in a car with kids in, it will just mean that they will now do it illegally and in turn will create more revenue for the government in the way of fines! As a non smoker even I find this a little dictator-ish! I would hope most parents wouldn't in the first place but for the that's in parliament to tell us what we can and can not do in our own property is absurd! If I smoked, and was in MY car with MY children and wanted to smoke one of MY cigarettes then I Fucking well would do! [br If they can catch those smoking in cars then surely they must then be able catch them with a mobile phone in their hands up to their ears. I even saw one woman texting as she waltzed past doing around 80MPH. As for smoking in cars when you have your kids or anyone else's kids in with you is pretty irresponsible.
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 20, 2014 14:32:45 GMT
The thing is, it won't stop people smoking in a car with kids in, it will just mean that they will now do it illegally and in turn will create more revenue for the government in the way of fines! As a non smoker even I find this a little dictator-ish! I would hope most parents wouldn't in the first place but for the that's in parliament to tell us what we can and can not do in our own property is absurd! If I smoked, and was in MY car with MY children and wanted to smoke one of MY cigarettes then I Fucking well would do! [br If they can catch those smoking in cars then surely they must then be able catch them with a mobile phone in their hands up to their ears. I even saw one woman texting as she waltzed past doing around 80MPH. As for smoking in cars when you have your kids or anyone else's kids in with you is pretty irresponsible. I agree tazi, if you read my second paragraph I say " I hope most parents wouldn't in the first place" My final point was more of a principle point!
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Post by tazi on Dec 20, 2014 14:35:12 GMT
[br If they can catch those smoking in cars then surely they must then be able catch them with a mobile phone in their hands up to their ears. I even saw one woman texting as she waltzed past doing around 80MPH. As for smoking in cars when you have your kids or anyone else's kids in with you is pretty irresponsible. I agree tazi, if you read my second paragraph I say " I hope most parents wouldn't in the first place" My final point was more of a principle point! Understood now mate. Agree too though.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 20, 2014 14:47:41 GMT
My wife has banned fucking I'm not happy How about love making ? You disgust me
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Post by tazi on Dec 20, 2014 14:48:49 GMT
I'd love anyone getting disgusting with me.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 20, 2014 15:01:21 GMT
I'd love anyone getting disgusting with me. Fraise is back
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