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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 22:00:31 GMT
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Post by potterblade on Dec 12, 2014 22:01:02 GMT
Geoff makes a good point in that article about our erratic form this season and the "grounding" effect it has had on the squad.
I thought earlier in the season we were seemed complacent in some game, QPR being the worst example. Excusable to a point but no more.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 12, 2014 22:05:15 GMT
If Cameron is 'great player' then how many 'great ' players do we have in our team? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 22:12:51 GMT
Played very well against Arsenal in midfield and it was no coincidence that we surrendered the middle third when he was moved back to centre back, and then regained it when Huth came on.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Dec 12, 2014 23:01:59 GMT
ha! Make it big in MLS! Like anyone has ever done that! 'big' compared to how they were in England ah! You mean scored lots of goals. Well, that's more an assessment of the quality of the league than American footballers. There are some elite Belgian footballers, but I imagine BWP could score plenty of goals if he played in Belgium with Thierry Henry as his strike partner. What I'm saying is, if you want to do well in the premier league you're going to have to get your players from other countries. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2014 23:05:12 GMT
'big' compared to how they were in England ah! You mean scored lots of goals. Well, that's more an assessment of the quality of the league than American footballers. There are some elite Belgian footballers, but I imagine BWP could score plenty of goals if he played in Belgium with Thierry Henry as his strike partner. What I'm saying is, if you want to do well in the premier league you're going to have to get your players from other countries. Are there any "elite" American footballers? The best is probably Howard? Not that I'd want him here, I really don't rate him. Outfield.......Bradley, Donovan? I have no idea. Neither are "elite". Dempsey was close to in his pomp, McBride too was a very good footballer. Has America every produced an "elite" footballer? |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Dec 12, 2014 23:16:00 GMT
ah! You mean scored lots of goals. Well, that's more an assessment of the quality of the league than American footballers. There are some elite Belgian footballers, but I imagine BWP could score plenty of goals if he played in Belgium with Thierry Henry as his strike partner. What I'm saying is, if you want to do well in the premier league you're going to have to get your players from other countries. Are there any "elite" American footballers? The best is probably Howard? Not that I'd want him here, I really don't rate him. Outfield.......Bradley, Donovan? I have no idea. Neither are "elite". Dempsey was close to in his pomp, McBride too was a very good footballer. Has America every produced an "elite" footballer? I would put Howard in the category of elite. He's a top goalkeeper, and single-handed lay kept the US team in the game against Belgium. As far as outfield players some very good ones, but no 30 goals in a season type players. Donovan was probably the best shot an American had to producing an elite player, but he blew his chance in Germany, and then MLS wouldn't let him leave. Dempsey was good there for maybe a season. Rossi wasn't bad before the injuries, of course he chose to play for Italy internationally but started in America, and nevan subotic also chose to play elsewhere, although partnering with hummels might have made him look better than he actually was. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2014 23:19:49 GMT
Are there any "elite" American footballers? The best is probably Howard? Not that I'd want him here, I really don't rate him. Outfield.......Bradley, Donovan? I have no idea. Neither are "elite". Dempsey was close to in his pomp, McBride too was a very good footballer. Has America every produced an "elite" footballer? I would put Howard in the category of elite. He's a top goalkeeper, and single-handed lay kept the US team in the game against Belgium. As far as outfield players some very good ones, but no 30 goals in a season type players. Donovan was probably the best shot an American had to producing an elite player, but he blew his chance in Germany, and then MLS wouldn't let him leave. Dempsey was good there for maybe a season. Rossi wasn't bad before the injuries, of course he chose to play for Italy internationally but started in America, and nevan subotic also chose to play elsewhere, although partnering with hummels might have made him look better than he actually was. He had a good World Cup but he really is iffy for Everton and always has been, I wouldn't trust him in goal for us. Rossi doesn't count. My favourite American is McBride though, always has been. He was class for Fulham and actually looked like a footballer which not a lot of Americans do. Geoff certainly doesn't! |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Dec 12, 2014 23:43:54 GMT
I would put Howard in the category of elite. He's a top goalkeeper, and single-handed lay kept the US team in the game against Belgium. As far as outfield players some very good ones, but no 30 goals in a season type players. Donovan was probably the best shot an American had to producing an elite player, but he blew his chance in Germany, and then MLS wouldn't let him leave. Dempsey was good there for maybe a season. Rossi wasn't bad before the injuries, of course he chose to play for Italy internationally but started in America, and nevan subotic also chose to play elsewhere, although partnering with hummels might have made him look better than he actually was. He had a good World Cup but he really is iffy for Everton and always has been, I wouldn't trust him in goal for us. Rossi doesn't count. My favourite American is McBride though, always has been. He was class for Fulham and actually looked like a footballer which not a lot of Americans do. Geoff certainly doesn't! I was never a big mcbride fan myself, he wasn't afraid to get his head bashed in though, which I guess I admire. I like geoff though, don't think his problem is looking like a footballer, good passing and control. I worry more about his concentration than anything to do with skill or physical attributes. Not a lot of Americans look like footballers because we don't have many footballers to begin with  I think there will be more quality coming out of the US in the future, the domestic league has only been around for 20 years. But players will never be able to reach anywhere near elite status status staying in MLS. |
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 13, 2014 2:41:00 GMT
You a all forgetting the global superstar that is/was....
Freddy Adu.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 8:46:43 GMT
If Cameron is 'great player' then how many 'great ' players do we have in our team? Last season he was amongst our top 5 performers in the squad. Same again this season. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2014 12:24:47 GMT
If Cameron is 'great player' then how many 'great ' players do we have in our team? Last season he was amongst our top 5 performers in the squad. Same again this season.  Do you actually believe that? I never can tell with you. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 12:38:56 GMT
Last season he was amongst our top 5 performers in the squad. Same again this season. Do you actually believe that? I never can tell with you. Absolutely mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 12:46:03 GMT
If Cameron is 'great player' then how many 'great ' players do we have in our team? Last season he was amongst our top 5 performers in the squad. Same again this season. 1. Begovic 2. Shawcross 3. Whelan 4. Arnautovic 5. Odemwingie Not quite. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 12:57:59 GMT
Last season he was amongst our top 5 performers in the squad. Same again this season. 1. Begovic 2. Shawcross 3. Whelan 4. Arnautovic 5. Odemwingie Not quite. Better than Glenn overall. This season (in no particular order): - Moses Ryan Bojan Walters Cameron And to think quite a few suggested the last two wouldn't even make the bench this year. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2014 13:01:22 GMT
Better than Glenn, oh WD, you're brightening up a dull Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 13:04:01 GMT
Better than Glenn, oh WD, you're brightening up a dull Saturday. Last season, overall, yes. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2014 13:05:48 GMT
Better than Glenn, oh WD, you're brightening up a dull Saturday. Last season, overall, yes. It wasn't even close. Ryan was player of the season, Glen was second. He was magnificent last season from start to finish. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 13:08:33 GMT
Last season, overall, yes. It wasn't even close. Ryan was player of the season, Glen was second. He was magnificent last season from start to finish. Some people kept saying that but he never came close to winning any awards. The reality is, it was a two horse race between Bego and Ryan last year. They were head and shoulders above the rest over the course of the season. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2014 13:10:58 GMT
He cam closer than the bloke who was dropped from the side. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 13:20:14 GMT
He cam closer than the bloke who was dropped from the side. He came nowhere. You even win awards or you don't. If Whelan was brilliant throughout he'd have got one. The reality is he didn't. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2014 13:22:58 GMT
He cam closer than the bloke who was dropped from the side. He came nowhere. You even win awards or you don't. If Whelan was brilliant throughout he'd have got one. The reality is he didn't. He would have been in contention for one, the main one. He didn't get it (rightly so), it means nowt. |
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Post by mrpickles on Dec 13, 2014 13:31:26 GMT
Last season 1. Ryan 2. Begovic 3. Whelan 4. Arnie 5. Crouch/N'Zonzi This season so far 1. Ryan 2. Moses 3. Bojan 4. Walters 5. N'Zonzi *Fucking hell I forgot about Odemwingie (out of sight) 5th place for him |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 14:21:39 GMT
Cameron starts.
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Post by 2004 on Dec 13, 2014 14:36:54 GMT
Great guy is Geoff
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Post by kenwyne on Dec 13, 2014 16:01:05 GMT
good place to start since there's hardly any football talent in England. American football is full of retired and failed players from other leagues and they make it big. Bradley wright Philips is a perfect example. Theres loads of talent in England, just not the right people at the top to use it. yet their national team is filled with players from their league and they're a far better team than we are |
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 13, 2014 17:02:45 GMT
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Post by 2004 on Dec 13, 2014 17:06:17 GMT
Great performance from Geoff. Easily our MOM.
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 13, 2014 17:06:54 GMT
He did have a good match. What that's Tottenham, WHU, Arsenal and CP with good to decent games. Like his attitude and drive. He had an engine today.
Well done lad, well done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 17:07:13 GMT
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Do you actually believe that? I never can tell with you.
