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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 9, 2014 8:27:48 GMT
Ok, he's got to keep this sort of form up for a season to be worth much more than we paid for him. But, if the form he's showing at the moment becomes the "norm" for Bojan, what would he realistically be worth in today's inflated market? I think a lot would depend upon whether he cements a place in the Spanish National side. Given that he isn't going to be playing Champions League football this season or next, he's going to need regular international caps to attract big money bids. If he DID start playing regularly for Spain (big if) then he'd be ahead of, say Fabregas in the pecking order. In turn that would push Bojan's value over the £30 million mark! Although Fabregas has been a regular scorer for Barcelona he's less prolific in English football and that is one area where Bojan might shine compared to the older, more experienced Spaniard. Discuss!  |
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Post by 2004 on Dec 9, 2014 8:42:51 GMT
£1 billion
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Post by Plave on Dec 9, 2014 8:46:12 GMT
He's worth much more than we paid for him now, even if he were to go in January (i'd be amazed) could anyone see us getting less than 6 or 7 million from someone like Liverpool? They paid 20 million for Markovic.
He won't sign for Real Madrid and if Barca want him back you can assume they have something in place where they won't pay top dollar so that rules out a big money move to Spain as no one else in Spain has any money, likewise Italy.
If there is a big money move (lots of ifs to get there yet) it's in the premier league, I'd like to think we could rule out other mid-higher table clubs leaving the usual 4 or 5 suspects. If he carries on imprioving as he is, finishing the season with assists and goals each in double figures then the pricetag would have to be 15 million.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 9, 2014 8:49:44 GMT
David Silva went to Man City for 24m which is a good benchmark
I think the Spanish side is pretty hard to get in already. The fact that Bojan is playing in a mid-table team thats NOT in Europe will keep him below the radar I expect.
You can compare to Michu a bit. He was top scorer in the Premier League 2 years and that earned him 1 spanish cap.
Bojan has a much better pedigree and age is on his side. But he would have to keep this up for 18 months before getting a call-up I expect.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 9, 2014 9:22:07 GMT
The big problem with his value is that since his early success at Barca he's struggled at the top clubs he's been loaned to over the last few years.
To pay top dollar one of the top clubs has to be pretty confident that his form isn't going to go when playing at the top level. The only realistic way he can do this is to get into the Spanish side and demonstrate his form then.
So hopefully we can keep him for a couple of seasons then sell (though we'd all rather we didn't) after the European Championships in 2016.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 9, 2014 9:38:14 GMT
Ok, he's got to keep this sort of form up for a season to be worth much more than we paid for him. But, if the form he's showing at the moment becomes the "norm" for Bojan, what would he realistically be worth in today's inflated market? I think a lot would depend upon whether he cements a place in the Spanish National side. Given that he isn't going to be playing Champions League football this season or next, he's going to need regular international caps to attract big money bids. If he DID start playing regularly for Spain (big if) then he'd be ahead of, say Fabregas in the pecking order. In turn that would push Bojan's value over the £30 million mark! Although Fabregas has been a regular scorer for Barcelona he's less prolific in English football and that is one area where Bojan might shine compared to the older, more experienced Spaniard. Discuss! Bloody hell, John, you're not usually so knee-jerk. The lad is class, but he's had less than half a dozen good games. |
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Post by apb1 on Dec 9, 2014 9:38:52 GMT
If he propels us to a top half finish (which we are surely capable of) and perhaps an FA Cup Final while scoring 10-12 goals, then you can imagine Tottenham, Everton or Newcastle being interested, but teams above them in the pecking order would still probably demur. His paper value would in this scenario go up to around £15m I guess, and he'd also probably want to stay as we would have sorted his career out. I can't see him getting in the first choice Spanish team ahead of Silva, and playing for us, but perhaps the squad. Depends on whether their coach is a cockend like Hodgson. If, on the other hand, he single-handedly raised the rest of our team to play out of their skins, and we secured a champions league place (the same one Andy Carroll is talking about getting, or was that the title?) then his worth would be £25m and we would keep him for the European campaign  I can see him playing well for a bit longer then he might need some resting - after Christmas - to ensure he stays sharp for the Spring. For me the big question mark is Arnie. If we can somehow manage him back to his best, alongside Bojan, then we would be in for some fireworks. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 9, 2014 9:39:15 GMT
Lots. He's worth lots.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Dec 9, 2014 9:52:41 GMT
Priceless, well to us he is.
Early days but, I'm 43 and he's the best player I've ever seen play for Stoke.
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Post by thestatusquo on Dec 9, 2014 9:52:56 GMT
Because of his pedigree clubs will already be keeping tabs on him but he's yet to prove he can do it consistently. If he has a stellar season then I would expect that someone would come in with the proverbial "cheeky bid" before the start of the next season but I can't see that being more that 8 - 10 Million. Bojan must have aspirations to fulfil his potential so whilst he maybe enjoying his time here he will probably have some say in when he wants to go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 9:54:03 GMT
To us he is priceless just like Shawcross and the manager, These 3 we need to keep the rest all have their price.
Thankfully our chairman is the dogs bollocks and will know full well how we feel and what is best for the club.
Good times to be a Stoke fan.
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Post by dan55 on Dec 9, 2014 9:54:16 GMT
Unless a massive offer of 30 mil + comes in we should keep him for as long as we can and get up that table for a Europa spot
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 10:29:07 GMT
He'd be mad to want to leave us any time soon
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 10:34:49 GMT
I can't disagree with you more on Fabregas, firstly they're not that similar players. I'd compare Bojan more to Mata...
Secondly his best form has always been in England, alot of Barca fans didn't rate him at all... Didn't have a very good season out there.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 9, 2014 10:56:28 GMT
I don't know about anyone else but if we didn't get more than £20-30 million for him were he to be sold in January I'd be gutted.
That value is only going to increase.
If he stays I can see a waiting list for season tickets quickly developing.
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Post by unknown182 on Dec 9, 2014 11:23:36 GMT
He's struggled to make an impact everywhere he's been at. He's at a club now where we're willing to build a team around him and give him a free role to enjoy himself. I doubt any top clubs in Europe would be happy to offer him that and I don't think he'd be guaranteed a starting spot either.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 9, 2014 11:24:44 GMT
Ok, he's got to keep this sort of form up for a season to be worth much more than we paid for him. But, if the form he's showing at the moment becomes the "norm" for Bojan, what would he realistically be worth in today's inflated market? I think a lot would depend upon whether he cements a place in the Spanish National side. Given that he isn't going to be playing Champions League football this season or next, he's going to need regular international caps to attract big money bids. If he DID start playing regularly for Spain (big if) then he'd be ahead of, say Fabregas in the pecking order. In turn that would push Bojan's value over the £30 million mark! Although Fabregas has been a regular scorer for Barcelona he's less prolific in English football and that is one area where Bojan might shine compared to the older, more experienced Spaniard. Discuss! Bloody hell, John, you're not usually so knee-jerk. The lad is class, but he's had less than half a dozen good games. Mike I'm not being knee jerk - I did say that he had to keep this sort of form up for a season to be worth much more than the £330k which we paid for him. But, if he DOES, keep this sort of form up for a season or more, then his value is going to automatically go into the £20 million + bracket. The only way it will go much higher is, as I said, if he returns to the Spanish national team and gets regular starts for them. If he did that, then his value really does start to rocket. If he can start for Spain ahead of Fabregas and or Mata then (given that he is younger than both of them) you have to start talking serious money even without Champions League experience. As a poster says above, I don't think we'd sell to the first bidder and I don't think he'd want to leave Stoke too early. He was obviously quite traumatised by what happened to him after his early run of games in the Barca first team came to and end. His move to Stoke is the first upturn he has had in his career after 3 or 4 years of decline. I was very encourages by what Ruud Gullit said on MOTD. He will obviously have seen Bojan regularly for Ajax and he seemed to think he looked a totally different player to last season. I'm not being knee jerk (he has a lot to prove) but I'll own up to being very excited as he's the first creative player I have seen at Stoke in 40 years who looks like he could be BETTER then Huddy. Time will tell, in the meantime let's enjoy the ride.  |
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Post by apb1 on Dec 9, 2014 11:28:13 GMT
The pressing he showed in the last few games is great. Suarez is a great player because he never stops working, as well as being a genius.
If Bojan works aard and gets Stoke fit we could have such a player!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 9, 2014 11:34:35 GMT
Well, Southampton were letting players go for 20M+ during the summer, so for me it's got to be around £30M!!!
It's about time we started to get a good return on our most sellable assets!!!
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Post by thepirehillpoet on Dec 9, 2014 11:40:52 GMT
As some people are saying Bojan is the best they have seen and talking of Champions League football is probably a little early. Bojan is only at the moment about potential, I agree he is potentially the best we have ever had but only that. Will he ever tear the World Champions apart as Alan Hudson did at Wembley is conjecture at this time.
I think we need to calm down a little and cut him some slack, I as with so many am very excite about the lad, but multi million pound deals with Europe's elite??
Dobing, Eastham, Hudson, Hoekstra, Fuller, he has yet to prove better than some fine players at Stoke.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 9, 2014 11:44:54 GMT
Bloody hell, John, you're not usually so knee-jerk. The lad is class, but he's had less than half a dozen good games. Mike I'm not being knee jerk - I did say that he had to keep this sort of form up for a season to be worth much more than the £330k which we paid for him. But, if he DOES, keep this sort of form up for a season or more, then his value is going to automatically go into the £20 million + bracket. The only way it will go much higher is, as I said, if he returns to the Spanish national team and gets regular starts for them. If he did that, then his value really does start to rocket. If he can start for Spain ahead of Fabregas and or Mata then (given that he is younger than both of them) you have to start talking serious money even without Champions League experience. As a poster says above, I don't think we'd sell to the first bidder and I don't think he'd want to leave Stoke too early. He was obviously quite traumatised by what happened to him after his early run of games in the Barca first team came to and end. His move to Stoke is the first upturn he has had in his career after 3 or 4 years of decline. I was very encourages by what Ruud Gullit said on MOTD. He will obviously have seen Bojan regularly for Ajax and he seemed to think he looked a totally different player to last season. I'm not being knee jerk (he has a lot to prove) but I'll own up to being very excited as he's the first creative player I have seen at Stoke in 40 years who looks like he could be BETTER then Huddy. Time will tell, in the meantime let's enjoy the ride. John, I'm being a little tongue in cheek really, but I'd rather enjoy the ride and see if he can prove himself with us. Obviously, if we ever were to lose him because of his performances, then I'd hope we get as much as we can. After all, when did we last benefit from a transfer like some other Prem teams? With another striker in the team playing in front of Bojan and a fit again Moses and re-energised Arnie (I have my doubts) then it could be interesting. Not forgetting Yarmolenko of course………. |
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Post by slpmarc on Dec 9, 2014 11:57:28 GMT
When he first signed a pro contract at Barca it had a £40million but out clause in it, so I would say anything between the £500k we paid and that
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Post by Roy Cropper on Dec 9, 2014 12:36:30 GMT
He's better than Lallana if that's anything to go by.
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Post by lordb on Dec 9, 2014 12:50:09 GMT
I think we should calm down a bit.
He has been outstanding for a month.
Lets see how he has done over a season first.
If he continues right through to season end in this form then yes he's going to be a wanted man.
Not unlikely he will have a dip at some point.lets not crucify him when he does.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 9, 2014 12:57:19 GMT
About £15m. from us, if he was at a top european club now, then about £40m+.
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Post by Stokiedokie on Dec 9, 2014 13:09:41 GMT
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Post by keithw8007 on Dec 9, 2014 15:19:59 GMT
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Post by potterblade on Dec 9, 2014 15:45:11 GMT
It will be a sin if he leaves in january for any price.
However I suspect there will be too many interested parties come the summer and the bidding will start at 25million. All of Europe will be interested by then if his performances stay as good. Bayern? Atletico? Juve?
Sadly I think he is nailed on to be playing in the Champions League next season.
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Post by potterblade on Dec 9, 2014 15:47:29 GMT
And not with us!
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Post by ruts66 on Dec 9, 2014 16:02:39 GMT
For Bojan to stay it will depend on two, maybe three, things;
- how mature he is (ie., recognising that after a few false dawns he'd be best to stay put, for now, and be a big fish in a medium pond)
- his agent (they're all pretty cunty deep down and want the riches a transfer brings)
- Muniesa (and any other Barca/Spanish youngsters) being at the club
So, without further ado, I suggest MH gets on the blower to his old club and sorts out a deal for Grimaldo, Bagnack, Samper, Gumbau & Dongou - simples... :-)
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