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Post by oneeyedwillie on Dec 6, 2014 5:23:15 GMT
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Post by eddy on Dec 6, 2014 5:47:54 GMT
"Stoke-Arsenal, especially at Britannia, has become a match marked by one horrific tackle, a tackle thas has reduced two men to caricatures of their respective clubs while reducing fans on both sides to foaming-at-the-mouth lunatics"
What horrific tackle would that be then? I don't seem to remember one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 8:11:24 GMT
It's the richness that's killing me. Have they really forgot all about their filthy, cynical sides of the 70s, 80s and 90s?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 6, 2014 8:17:49 GMT
Thoughtful?
Perhaps "condescending bullshit" gets lost in translation I guess.
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Post by RAF on Dec 6, 2014 8:21:47 GMT
Nothing personal?
Are you fucking serious?
100 red cards under Wenger, they are the only stats you need to consider when talking about the snidey weasel of a team that is Arsenal.
Let us not forget the likes of Flamini who threatened to blind one of our players!
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Post by Northy on Dec 6, 2014 8:25:17 GMT
The blokes a fooking knobhead
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2014 8:33:02 GMT
There's nothing so tragic as a man with a misplaced confidence in his own work. I've seen faeces smeared on public toilet walls that has provided a more engaging and coherent read.
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 6, 2014 8:48:46 GMT
Ill informed prehistoric and deluded piece of informative wisdom that.
I'm thinking of cutting it out, framing it and hanging it next to some of the most wonderful artifacts in the potteries museum.
Enlightened me.
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Post by Northy on Dec 6, 2014 8:49:02 GMT
Not forgetting Fabregas's display when he should have been sent off 3 times in 1 game, his wild swing from behind at Pugh, then running past Pulis with his finger to his mouth, the cowardly shit wouldn't do that when the cameras weren't everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 8:50:53 GMT
What an arrogant tool.
Nothing amuses me more than no mark bloggers with a C grade in GCSE English thinking they're some clever award winning journalist.
Wanker, hope his brakes fail on the way to The Brit....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 9:15:48 GMT
I read the comments on here before the article and assumed you lot were over-reacting...
Christ what a bell-end! a horrendous read really; poorly written, condescending and the guy obviously hasn't got a clue! The one comment left on this blog entry has it down however,
'So blinkered, untrue and missing so many facts of the issue, what a load of un-researched rubbish. A horrific tackle? No, the affect yes, check out Bednter's shirt tug on Shawcross just as he's about to go into the tackle, and Ramsey jumping in two footed off the ground uncontrolled into the tackle, check out the Stoke players going straight to Ramsey to help him whilst Arsenal players surrounded the referee, who are the more decent team there? Rory Delpas leg was badly broken in a nasty tackle on his home debut for Stoke, you didn't hear people going on about it for years, let alone weeks after it, it's a contact support, it happens.
West Brom? Wolves are a lot closer and more of a rival.
Style of play still the same, giants and thugs like Bojan, Ireland, Assaidi, Arnoutavich? Just like the 101 red cards Arsenal have had under Wenger, have you forgotten about your thuggish team from years ago, Keown etc.
The hatred goes back to the 71 and 72 FA cup semi finals when some very dodgy officials decisions robbed Stoke of places in their first ever FA cup final.'
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Post by 2004 on Dec 6, 2014 9:28:14 GMT
What a load of shite. I stopped reading after a paragraph it was so dull.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 11:38:16 GMT
I thought it was for the most part a decent, well written article. (apart from the obvious mistake of repeating the last two paragraphs which is just superifical and doesn't retract from the good piece of writing)
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 6, 2014 11:40:52 GMT
"Stoke-Arsenal, especially at Britannia, has become a match marked by one horrific tackle, a tackle thas has reduced two men to caricatures of their respective clubs while reducing fans on both sides to foaming-at-the-mouth lunatics" What horrific tackle would that be then? I don't seem to remember one. I think he means this one. Now stop being horrible to him after he's gone to all the effort of signing up on here.  |
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Post by philm87 on Dec 6, 2014 11:42:52 GMT
I'll try and respond without insulting you, because you clearly seem unaware of what the issue is.
1) The whole premise of your article is that 'it is nothing personal'. Given you have just written an open later to our captain, how is that plausible? You are asking us to believe that in the space of about 24 hours, you have suddenly had a personality transplant and fundamentally altered your view about the nature of the rivalry between us, in response to online abuse from Stoke fans?
2) The rivalry precedes Ramsay's leg break. Do you not recall the fallout after our 2-1 victory in our first season in the Prem? That was Arsene Wenger and Arsenal fans that created that by being bitter, sore losers. For those belonging to an older generation, they can also throw in the FA Cup semifinals in the 1970s.
3) It really wasn't a horrific tackle was it? It was a bad tackle. It was late and he was coming in with a lot of force, but we will see far worse tackles this season where no such injury occurs. The only reason he got sent off was because of the injury. It was the injury that was horrific, not the tackle. It is ONLY Arsenal fans that can't see this.
4) I wouldn't say it reduced both sets of fans to lunacy. It reduced your manager and YOUR fans to lunacy. We have responded, unfortunately, by dragging ourselves down to your level. But it fires us up so I'm not knocking it.
5) Tension between urban and rural? Seriously... what the fuck are you on about there?
6) The caricature you are referring to would be appropriate when Tony Pulis was our manager. Anyone who has seen us play under Mark Hughes would have to disagree. We play a completely different style now. Against the big teams, we tend to be more direct and more physical, like everyone else is, but against similar sized opponents we look to get the ball down and play. It's worked pretty well for us, because we finished 9th last season despite a pretty tight budget.
7) Does Ramsey savour the role of helpless victim? You claim not, most would probably disagree. He has never publicly drawn a line under the incident and refused to accept any apologies. That's really quite unusual. Most players - in fact pretty much every single player I can think of - would just accept the apology and move on, even if privately they resented the person who injured them.
8) Whether we reside in Stoke or London? I'm a bit of a hypocrite for saying this, because I grew up down south and have never lived in Stoke... however, having lived in Kent I can assure you there are A LOT of Arsenal fans round there who have never actually been to seen you play. Part of our resentment is probably the fact that we have to deal with an army of armchair pundits and keyboard warriors claiming to be Arsenal 'fans' when they have no real connection to the club. It makes it difficult for us to take you seriously, and even more difficult for you lot to take the moral high ground.
9) The bottom line is this: when we were promoted we disliked all the big clubs. I suspect we disliked Liverpool more than Arsenal. We certainly hated the The Shit more than we hated you lot. We really do HATE The Shit, so that you have managed to surpass them in that regard is quite impressive. You must have done something pretty special to create that intensity of hatred, because we didn't voluntarily decided to hate you more than we hate The Shit (just to reiterate, we really do fucking hate The Shit).
How have you managed to achieve this?
Yes, we roughed you up a bit. Our style of play under Pulis was not likely to win over many neutrals. That Shawcross tackle on Adebayor was nasty, the one on Ramsey led to a horrific leg break. Yes Stoke is a very working class place, whereas you lot can apparently afford to spend £1300000 a year on season tickets. I expect, therefore, a mutual dislike.
However, the main reason we have come to hate you so much is your incredible levels of delusion. Part of it is the arrogance, the constant patronizing blog posts from 'soccer' fans who should have long since abandoned any pretence at a career in journalism. It is also because you constantly bring up Ramsey's injury at every available opportunity, refusing to let it go and then pretending that both sides are equally to blame for the persistent refusal to move on from that 'fateful' day as you put it. I'd be quite happy moving on. You can't. That is the difference. Most of all though, we hate the hypocrisy. You can't draw attention to the fact that Ryan Shawcross has 4 yellow cards already this season, given that golden boy Callum Chambers easily surpasses that. You can't criticise others for bad tackles and then when one of your own is guilty, simply reply 'I deednt see eet'. You can't accuse others of thuggery when you had a player like Martin Monkeyface Keown at the heart of your defence for so many years.
I would honestly suggest that fans of pretty much every other club would relate to a lot of what I have just written. It is only Arsenal fans that are too deluded to see past their own hypocrisy.
I doubt you will ever get a more rational response than the one I have just given you, we have long since abandoned the prospect of a civilized voicing of differences with you lot. Today I will boo and shout abuse at every one of you cunts. You can spit your prawn sandwiches out and bemoan how uncivilized we are, but if you can't see how fucking deluded you all are, well surely I am justified in indulging in some tribal hatred for a few hours on Saturday afternoon?
Now go on, off you fuck.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 6, 2014 12:05:23 GMT
There will be no redemption until the Welsh turd admits his broken leg was just an accident, nothing more.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 6, 2014 12:09:54 GMT
There's nothing so tragic as a man with a misplaced confidence in his own work. I've seen faeces smeared on public toilet walls that has provided a more engaging and coherent read. This. The writer fancies himself as a wordsmith which he thinks gives his writing a more sophisticated take on what is going on between our clubs. But it's the same old whining Arsenal drivel. Nothing new. |
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Post by eddy on Dec 6, 2014 12:11:57 GMT
"Stoke-Arsenal, especially at Britannia, has become a match marked by one horrific tackle, a tackle thas has reduced two men to caricatures of their respective clubs while reducing fans on both sides to foaming-at-the-mouth lunatics" What horrific tackle would that be then? I don't seem to remember one. I think he means this one. Now stop being horrible to him after he's gone to all the effort of signing up on here. True, or perhaps he meant this one? |
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Post by eddy on Dec 6, 2014 12:17:49 GMT
"Stoke-Arsenal, especially at Britannia, has become a match marked by one horrific tackle, a tackle thas has reduced two men to caricatures of their respective clubs while reducing fans on both sides to foaming-at-the-mouth lunatics" What horrific tackle would that be then? I don't seem to remember one. I think he means this one. Now stop being horrible to him after he's gone to all the effort of signing up on here. If that tackle had been the reverse, with Danny P tackling Fibreglass, the fairy would still be rolling around in feigned agony to this day. Fair play to Pugh for just getting up and getting on with it. |
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Post by pyrus on Dec 6, 2014 13:17:34 GMT
He has a point to a degree. The fixture each year is viewed, to an extent, in the context of the Shawcross Ramsey incident.
All that stuff about The Hunger Games and opposing philosophies is bollocks. It is just another way for an Arsenal fan to express their arrogance - it pisses off most fans from most clubs. Their beautiful style is not even entertaining any more. As teams have wized up, they have reduced Arsenals ability to walk the ball into the net. These days they drearily move the ball horizontally across the field repeatedly, achieving very little most of the time. It is actually quite boring to watch.
What has been under represented about this incident, at every level, is the Stoke perspective. There is a genuine sense of anger and frustration at Stoke, that spills out at this fixture - it is the only place to express it. But it is reported as bad taste and a vicious Stoke streak aimed at some poor bloke who got badly injured.
No one outside Stoke has got beyond that. They do not appreciate the anger caused by this being wrongly reported and that misinformation being accepted as fact. Shawcross did not break Ramsey's leg in that sense. Ramsey broke his leg in a tackle involving Ryan Shawcross. It was an accident, not a crime perpetrated with intent. It wasn't even incompetence or negligence. Every level headed commentator, witness and pundit described the incident as innocuous, late at the very worst. The studs were not up, it was not two-footed, he went for the ball, not the man, he was not only entitled to go for the bal, but it was his responsibility to do so.
But the misrepresentation inflicted upon Shawcross and Stoke by Ramsey and Wenger is held up as fact. It has harmed Ryan's career and it has been done with vindictiveness and it has was on purpose.
Ramsey has recovered from his injury. Shawcross's career has not recovered from Ramsey's injury. Until that injustice has been rectified, I still have a grievance and I will take that grievance to this fixture every year and vent it at Wenger, Ramsey and every other fucker from Arsenal. It is why Arsenal don't do well at the Brit. I and 27,000 other Stokies make it our personal mission for them to feel hated and fearful from the first moment to the last.
So Jon, the Gooner from the USA, take your article and your Katniss Everdean metaphor and your arrogance and fuck off.
It is not for you to tell me when hostilities should cease. And in case you're wondering, it won't be happening any time today.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 13:28:40 GMT
Words fail me but I will give it a go :
FUCK OFF YOU SOFT TWAT AND STICK YOUR ARTICLE WHERE YOU LIKE IT BEST I HATE ARSENAL AND EVERYONE CONNECTED TO YOUR FAKE CLUB.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 6, 2014 13:29:16 GMT
I did warn you, oneeyedwillie.  This is tribalism in its most raw version. There are a couple of super wordsmiths on here, and one in particular is able to match Shakespeare with his acidic comments. I'm surprised he didn't call you a 'canker blossom' or 'quintessence of dust'.  Tin hat on for you OEW. PMSL. OS. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 6, 2014 13:34:20 GMT
Arsenal are a total embarrassment for a so called "big club" with scummy fans, players and a deluded dinosaur of a manager. Nothing else needs to be said really.
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Post by liamo on Dec 6, 2014 13:52:26 GMT
Can't be doing with their "holier than thou" attitude, we're supposed to be grateful that one blogging gooner has written a blog that isn't full of hate for Stoke and Shawcross? Fuck right off
It was an accident, complete and utter accident that has completely tarred this club and Ryan, it's happened before Stoke did it and it will happen again to other teams, it is a CONTACT sport after all, but we're the pin-up bad guys that everyone loves to hate
feel free to print that blog out, roll it up and insert it into whatever orifice that piece of text dribbled out of
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This is tribalism in its most raw version. There are a couple of super wordsmiths on here, and one in particular is able to match Shakespeare with his acidic comments. I'm surprised he didn't call you a 'canker blossom' or 'quintessence of dust'. 
