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Post by roosterscomb on Nov 25, 2014 11:22:31 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 25, 2014 11:33:33 GMT
Agreed. Hudson's was the best debut I have ever seen by a Stoke player. OK, we only drew but Hudson was superb and we should have won.
Another that stands out in my memory was Greenhoff's home debut (I can't remember if he had played an away game for us before his home debut) he oozed class and scored a lovely goal beating a few players in the box before shooting past the keeper in front of a packed Boothen End.
The most emotional debut, in my time, was the return of Stanley Matthews - you really had to be there to understand what it meant to Stoke fans.
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Post by Gods on Nov 25, 2014 11:42:06 GMT
Indeed it is a stunning picture. Shots of a full'ish Boothen from that angle are are as rare as rocking horse shit. We have had players who have come straight on and scored on their debut, John Tudor, Brendan O'Callaghan and Riki Dadasson spring to mind, but for it's sheer operatic grandeur nothing comes near to this effort from Huddy   Can't get over that shot of the Boothen, to borrow from Bob Dylan: I wish, I wish, I wish in vain That we could stand in the Boothen again Ten thousand pounds at the drop of a hat I’d give it all gladly if our lives could be like that |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 25, 2014 11:43:36 GMT
I can still remember my disbelieving awe at that debut by Hudson, and it's difficult to believe that anyone has ever had a better debut for Stoke.
Other great debuts which spring to mind are Brendan O'Callaghan coming off the bench at a corner and heading it in with his very first touch for Stoke - extraordinary.
And let's not forget Ryan's debut at Cardiff. I remember noticing how despite being a new youngster in his first game he was organising the defence and pointing players where to go from the very first minute, and he capped it off with a match winning goal. Doesn't get much better than that.
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Post by Gods on Nov 25, 2014 11:50:16 GMT
I can still remember my disbelieving awe at that debut by Hudson, and it's difficult to believe that anyone has ever had a better debut for Stoke. Other great debuts which spring to mind are Brendan O'Callaghan coming off the bench at a corner and heading it in with his very first touch for Stoke - extraordinary. And let's not forget Ryan's debut at Cardiff. I remember noticing how despite being a new youngster in his first game he was organising the defence and pointing players where to go from the very first minute, and he capped it off with a match winning goal. Doesn't get much better than that. Indeed Malcolm. Someone will say the 2nd coming of Sir Stan and they may be right but you'd have to be an octogenarian to recall that! |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 25, 2014 11:54:49 GMT
Indeed it is a stunning picture. Shots of a full'ish Boothen from that angle are are as rare as rocking horse shit. We have had players who have come straight on and scored on their debut, John Tudor, Brendan O'Callaghan and Riki Dadasson spring to mind, but for it's sheer operatic grandeur nothing comes near to this effort from Huddy I can't actually pick myself out but I know exactly where I was in that picture. I and my mate were just to the right of the aisle above and to the right of the goal as seen from the camera's point of view. We were on the rail just above the horizontal gangway which is almost obscured in that shot - it ran across the Boothen at the same level as the foot of the pillar. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 25, 2014 11:56:20 GMT
I can still remember my disbelieving awe at that debut by Hudson, and it's difficult to believe that anyone has ever had a better debut for Stoke. Other great debuts which spring to mind are Brendan O'Callaghan coming off the bench at a corner and heading it in with his very first touch for Stoke - extraordinary. And let's not forget Ryan's debut at Cardiff. I remember noticing how despite being a new youngster in his first game he was organising the defence and pointing players where to go from the very first minute, and he capped it off with a match winning goal. Doesn't get much better than that. Indeed Malcolm. Someone will say the 2nd coming of Sir Stan and they may be right but you'd have to be an octogenarian to recall that! Well I'm 68 (same age as Malcolm as it happens) and I can remember it very well. I was about 14 at the time. |
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Post by RAF on Nov 25, 2014 12:00:17 GMT
Indeed it is a stunning picture. Shots of a full'ish Boothen from that angle are are as rare as rocking horse shit. We have had players who have come straight on and scored on their debut, John Tudor, Brendan O'Callaghan and Riki Dadasson spring to mind, but for it's sheer operatic grandeur nothing comes near to this effort from Huddy (thumbsup) I can't actually pick myself out but I know exactly where I was in that picture. I and my mate were just to the right of the aisle above and to the right of the goal as seen from the camera's point of view. We were on the rail just above the horizontal gangway which is almost obscured in that shot - it ran across the Boothen at the same level as the foot of the pillar. My mate and I. H |
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Post by podolipotter on Nov 25, 2014 12:03:32 GMT
Indeed it is a stunning picture. Shots of a full'ish Boothen from that angle are are as rare as rocking horse shit. We have had players who have come straight on and scored on their debut, John Tudor, Brendan O'Callaghan and Riki Dadasson spring to mind, but for it's sheer operatic grandeur nothing comes near to this effort from Huddy I can't actually pick myself out but I know exactly where I was in that picture. I and my mate were just to the right of the aisle above and to the right of the goal as seen from the camera's point of view. We were on the rail just above the horizontal gangway which is almost obscured in that shot - it ran across the Boothen at the same level as the foot of the pillar. Hoy, I am not yet 70 but I recall The return of Stan. Perhaps it was not the best individual debut but the ramifications of his return far outweighed his play on the day. As one of the original (previous match) 8,000, to stand in the Boothen End on that date as part of a 36,000 crowd, there could only have ever been one result and that was a Stoke victory. This effect, of course snowballed on and on into an avalanche of good footballing fortune for our club. Huddy was great, but Stan on his return was much greater. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 25, 2014 12:04:33 GMT
I can't actually pick myself out but I know exactly where I was in that picture. I and my mate were just to the right of the aisle above and to the right of the goal as seen from the camera's point of view. We were on the rail just above the horizontal gangway which is almost obscured in that shot - it ran across the Boothen at the same level as the foot of the pillar. My mate and I. H Me and me mate.  |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 25, 2014 12:06:05 GMT
Indeed Malcolm. Someone will say the 2nd coming of Sir Stan and they may be right but you'd have to be an octogenarian to recall that! Well I'm 68 (same age as Malcolm as it happens) and I can remember it very well. I was about 14 at the time. October 61 - so we were both 15. I was (unfortunately) living in York at the time so wasn't there to see it. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 25, 2014 12:06:21 GMT
Huddy's first debut was just ever so slightly before my time, but my most memorable debut is Mark Chamberlain v Arsenal. He took Kenny Sansom - the then England left back - to the cleaners.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 12:10:38 GMT
The best was when John Tudor signed for us and scored two magnificent headers....Wow. I was so excited I fell off my platform shoes and I can remember my hair blowing in the wind....something that has not happened since the late seventies. I think the Bee Gees were No 1 with their massive hit Tragedy.
Marvellous , bloody marvellous ....Bog rolls being flung on the pitch ...fag smoke billowing across the Boothen and the stale smell of Marstons pedigree.
Pot bank workers with white faces ....Colliers with black faces ....and not an asylum seeker or racially offended person in sight.
Fanbloodytastic.
Mumf
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 12:11:24 GMT
Remember it well, I still can't fathom where those four minutes of injury time came from ?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 25, 2014 12:12:05 GMT
Huddy's first debut was just ever so slightly before my time, but my most memorable debut is Mark Chamberlain v Arsenal. He took Kenny Sansom - the then England left back - to the cleaners. Same here dave....that's the one I had in mind... Well, that and Paul Maguire's debut against Leeds, if my memory serves me correctly, we won 3-0??? |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 25, 2014 12:12:58 GMT
Big Brenden O'Callaghan?
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Post by Davef on Nov 25, 2014 12:13:11 GMT
Huddy's first debut was just ever so slightly before my time, but my most memorable debut is Mark Chamberlain v Arsenal. He took Kenny Sansom - the then England left back - to the cleaners. Same here dave....that's the one I had in mind... Well, that and Paul Maguire's debut against Leeds, if my memory serves me correctly, we won 3-0??? Yes we did, and Maguire scored a great free kick. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 12:13:16 GMT
The best was when John Tudor signed for us and scored two magnificent headers....Wow. I was so excited I fell off my platform shoes and I can remember my hair blowing in the wind....something that has not happened since the late seventies. I think the Bee Gees were No 1 with their massive hit Tragedy. Marvellous , bloody marvellous ....Bog rolls being flung on the pitch ...fag smoke billowing across the Boothen and the stale smell of Marstons pedigree. Pot bank workers with white faces ....Colliers with black faces ....and not an asylum seeker or racially offended person in sight. Fanbloodytastic. Mumf Correct me if I'm wrong ,but weren't those the only goals Tudor scored for us ? |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 25, 2014 12:13:54 GMT
Well I'm 68 (same age as Malcolm as it happens) and I can remember it very well. I was about 14 at the time. October 61 - so we were both 15. I was (unfortunately) living in York at the time so wasn't there to see it. Malcolm, I don't know why I have never asked you this question - but were you a Stoke fan before you went to Keele University and, if you were, how did your affiliation to Stoke come about? John |
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Post by thestatusquo on Nov 25, 2014 12:15:29 GMT
Huddy's first debut was just ever so slightly before my time, but my most memorable debut is Mark Chamberlain v Arsenal. He took Kenny Sansom - the then England left back - to the cleaners. Remember them both. If I recall correctly I think Shankly came out onto the pitch to congratulation Hudson. I was at the front of the Boothen when Chamberlain did Sansom who he left on his backside on several occasions. His face was a picture. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 25, 2014 12:16:53 GMT
I prefer to think of players who made outstanding debuts and went in to be utter shit.
Billy Whitehurst, lee Scott, Dave bamber and George siebech are 3 that spring immediately to hand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 12:16:28 GMT
The best was when John Tudor signed for us and scored two magnificent headers....Wow. I was so excited I fell off my platform shoes and I can remember my hair blowing in the wind....something that has not happened since the late seventies. I think the Bee Gees were No 1 with their massive hit Tragedy. Marvellous , bloody marvellous ....Bog rolls being flung on the pitch ...fag smoke billowing across the Boothen and the stale smell of Marstons pedigree. Pot bank workers with white faces ....Colliers with black faces ....and not an asylum seeker or racially offended person in sight. Fanbloodytastic. Mumf Correct me if I'm wrong ,but weren't those the only goals Tudor scored for us ? I think so. He was shit after that....! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 12:25:04 GMT
I think Tudor went on to score one more for us.
Back to Huddy. His first debut was just before I started regularly attending matches, so I wasn't there, but I got the next best thing. His second debut in 1984 was incredible. He was past his best, but his impact on the team was obvious from the first minute, and we outplayed Arsenal to win 1-0.
We went from being a team with 17 points from 24 games before he joined, to one that became almost unbeatable at home, and picking up 33 points from the next 18 games. We were doomed when he joined, but ended up saving ourselves with that 4-0 win over Wolves on the last day.
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Post by thestatusquo on Nov 25, 2014 12:31:19 GMT
I think Tudor went on to score one more for us. Back to Huddy. His first debut was just before I started regularly attending matches, so I wasn't there, but I got the next best thing. His second debut in 1984 was incredible. He was past his best, but his impact on the team was obvious from the first minute, and we outplayed Arsenal to win 1-0. We went from being a team with 17 points from 24 games before he joined, to one that became almost unbeatable at home, and picking up 33 points from the next 18 games. We were doomed when he joined, but ended up saving ourselves with that 4-0 win over Wolves on the last day. Did Maguire score all four ?? |
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Post by andylgr on Nov 25, 2014 12:31:42 GMT
Didn't Graham Shaw score a screamer on his debut?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 12:34:21 GMT
I think Tudor went on to score one more for us. Back to Huddy. His first debut was just before I started regularly attending matches, so I wasn't there, but I got the next best thing. His second debut in 1984 was incredible. He was past his best, but his impact on the team was obvious from the first minute, and we outplayed Arsenal to win 1-0. We went from being a team with 17 points from 24 games before he joined, to one that became almost unbeatable at home, and picking up 33 points from the next 18 games. We were doomed when he joined, but ended up saving ourselves with that 4-0 win over Wolves on the last day. Did Maguire score all four ?? Yes he did. He also set up almost every goal we scored after Huddy rejoined us. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 25, 2014 12:47:11 GMT
October 61 - so we were both 15. I was (unfortunately) living in York at the time so wasn't there to see it. Malcolm, I don't know why I have never asked you this question - but were you a Stoke fan before you went to Keele University and, if you were, how did your affiliation to Stoke come about? John The honest answer is "sort of". Until I was 10 we lived at Yarnfield near Stone. Most of us were (theoretically) Stoke fans, but my elder brother ( 6 years older than me) wasn't into football so didn't go and my father, who was a big Spurs fan, never took me to Stoke City or any other game for that matter (which I've now just about forgiven him for !). When we moved to York at age 10 I was desperately unhappy in what I perceived to be a distant, cold place and having lost all my friends. To try to cheer me up, my father took me to a York City game, and I started going regularly to York City games with new-found school friends. As a teenager I was also both a bit of a distant Spurs fan and a distant Stoke fan, although of course at that stage I didn't know I would ever return to North Staffordshire. When I returned to Keele at age 18 I of course immediately started going to the Vic., and have done ever since (50 years). But I still have a great affiliation to York City where I watched my early football and if Stoke aren't playing, and York City are, I'm usually there. During those 50 years Stoke have played York 5 times and I have hated it each time (the most recent being the Cup tie at the Brit a few years ago), not least because of the ribbing I get from my daughters, who have simply inherited my love of Stoke lock, stock and barrel ( which is a relief because having been born in Trafford they could have legitimately become Man U fans like many of their school friends). I have however almost completely lost my inherited teenage affiliation to Spurs, except when they are playing Arsenal ! |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 25, 2014 13:15:39 GMT
Malcolm, I don't know why I have never asked you this question - but were you a Stoke fan before you went to Keele University and, if you were, how did your affiliation to Stoke come about? John The honest answer is "sort of". Until I was 10 we lived at Yarnfield near Stone. Most of us were (theoretically) Stoke fans, but my elder brother ( 6 years older than me) wasn't into football so didn't go and my father, who was a big Spurs fan, never took me to Stoke City or any other game for that matter (which I've now just about forgiven him for !). When we moved to York at age 10 I was desperately unhappy in what I perceived to be a distant, cold place and having lost all my friends. To try to cheer me up, my father took me to a York City game, and I started going regularly to York City games with new-found school friends. As a teenager I was also both a bit of a distant Spurs fan and a distant Stoke fan, although of course at that stage I didn't know I would ever return to North Staffordshire. When I returned to Keele at age 18 I of course immediately started going to the Vic., and have done ever since (50 years). But I still have a great affiliation to York City where I watched my early football and if Stoke aren't playing, and York City are, I'm usually there. During those 50 years Stoke have played York 5 times and I have hated it each time (the most recent being the Cup tie at the Brit a few years ago), not least because of the ribbing I get from my daughters, who have simply inherited my love of Stoke lock, stock and barrel ( which is a relief because having been born in Trafford they could have legitimately become Man U fans like many of their school friends). I have however almost completely lost my inherited teenage affiliation to Spurs, except when they are playing Arsenal ! Cheers Malcolm. It is almost a reversal of my story. I was born in Warrington and my dad and his 3 brothers all supported Man U. But we moved to Newcastle under Lyme when I was 4, before any Man U germs could rub off on me - and to be fair to dad, he never tried to get me interested in Man U. So it had to be Vale or Stoke for me. A friend at school had a Vale supporting dad and I went to occasional Vale games with him and his dad and equally occasionally my dad took us both to Stoke games. I remained an occasional fan of Stoke with odd trips to Vale until my early teens. I regarded Stoke as MY club and Denis Wilshaw lived over the road from us but I wasn't anti Vale in any way shape or form. There wasn't a huge difference in the atmosphere at vale or Stoke until (by now without our fathers) my mate and I went to the Matthews return match - absolute magic it was being in a big crowd for the first time - apart from the odd trip to Old Trafford with my dad and/or my uncles. Anyway, on the bus home from the Matthews return match I told my school friend that I would now be going to ALL Stoke games with just the odd trip to Vale. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 25, 2014 13:16:26 GMT
Other great debuts which spring to mind are Brendan O'Callaghan coming off the bench at a corner and heading it in with his very first touch for Stoke - extraordinary. The Riki Dadason of his day, as I like to remember him.   |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 25, 2014 13:25:00 GMT
The honest answer is "sort of". Until I was 10 we lived at Yarnfield near Stone. Most of us were (theoretically) Stoke fans, but my elder brother ( 6 years older than me) wasn't into football so didn't go and my father, who was a big Spurs fan, never took me to Stoke City or any other game for that matter (which I've now just about forgiven him for !). When we moved to York at age 10 I was desperately unhappy in what I perceived to be a distant, cold place and having lost all my friends. To try to cheer me up, my father took me to a York City game, and I started going regularly to York City games with new-found school friends. As a teenager I was also both a bit of a distant Spurs fan and a distant Stoke fan, although of course at that stage I didn't know I would ever return to North Staffordshire. When I returned to Keele at age 18 I of course immediately started going to the Vic., and have done ever since (50 years). But I still have a great affiliation to York City where I watched my early football and if Stoke aren't playing, and York City are, I'm usually there. During those 50 years Stoke have played York 5 times and I have hated it each time (the most recent being the Cup tie at the Brit a few years ago), not least because of the ribbing I get from my daughters, who have simply inherited my love of Stoke lock, stock and barrel ( which is a relief because having been born in Trafford they could have legitimately become Man U fans like many of their school friends). I have however almost completely lost my inherited teenage affiliation to Spurs, except when they are playing Arsenal ! Cheers Malcolm. It is almost a reversal of my story. I was born in Warrington and my dad and his 3 brothers all supported Man U. But we moved to Newcastle under Lyme when I was 4, before any Man U germs could rub off on me - and to be fair to dad, he never tried to get me interested in Man U. So it had to be Vale or Stoke for me. A friend at school had a Vale supporting dad and I went to occasional Vale games with him and his dad and equally occasionally my dad took us both to Stoke games. I remained an occasional fan of Stoke with odd trips to Vale until my early teens. I regarded Stoke as MY club and Denis Wilshaw lived over the road from us but I wasn't anti Vale in any way shape or form. There wasn't a huge difference in the atmosphere at vale or Stoke until (by now without our fathers) my mate and I went to the Matthews return match - absolute magic it was being in a big crowd for the first time - apart from the odd trip to Old Trafford with my dad and/or my uncles. Anyway, on the bus home from the Matthews return match I told my school friend that I would now be going to ALL Stoke games with just the odd trip to Vale. In those days I think it was much more common for fans to go to both Stoke and Vale, and similarly in other cities ( I know people who went to both Man U and Man City home games). These days I get the impression that hardly anybody does it. |
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