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Post by robinplumpton on Nov 25, 2014 0:03:20 GMT
apologies, live many miles from Stoke, they are my team. as such, when I can go, and afford to go, I spend everything and anything I can on my team, for my team. when I can't, apparently someone in my house tries to get a stream. don't sit in a pub don't pay to any brewery, just want to see my team. If I could guarantee I could get 4 tickets would drive up with my 5 yr old, my 7 yr old and stay over if I can afford it ( let's face it taking a 5and 7 yr oldon a 14 hr round trip ain't great especially when at least 2 hrs is staring at a car park trying to get. Off,.) Until then, I will watch anyhow, any way I can, but if I could, I would be there every and any time, so if I ever watched a stream, which of course I don't, would people blame me?
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Post by tazi on Nov 25, 2014 1:21:18 GMT
I'd be happier with no televised football and no money in our game. Me too.
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Post by britsabroad on Nov 25, 2014 2:20:07 GMT
It's up to the TV companies to make the fans' lives easier, not the other way around. Netflix and Spotify showed people are willing to pay for a good product. What Sky currently offer is crap and trying to bully people into compliance has not worked once since the dawn of the Internet.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 25, 2014 7:13:38 GMT
Murdoch and all his monopolistic, money grabbing enterprises should be kicked out of this country altogether. Definitely an unwanted immigrant! They are the ones pumping hundreds of millions into the premier league. If I was them I'd not want to be giving my investment away for nothing. I hate Murdoch and don't have sky because I don't want to line his pockets. However, don't see a problem in what they are doing here. Disagree because if you are a pub paying £800 a year for say a Greek Satellite TV company to provide you with matches to show to customers then that TV company will have paid PL/Sky millions for the rights to do this. So they are not "giving away their investment for nothing". It's because Sky know they can scam its UK customers for a kings ransom to watch PL football. Think of if it like a utilities company........one company provides the infrastucture but dozens battle with each other to provide the service/commodity and some are cheaper than others. Don't see a problem and it needs sorting out. It's More than a bit hypocritical that Sky are happy to use BT infrastructure to provide land line telephone services.....
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 25, 2014 7:56:11 GMT
I'd be happier with no televised football and no money in our game. I don't agree with you very often MD, but looking back at my early days as a Stoke fan in the 60s and early 70s, I can't say that I find the game any more enjoyable to watch now then I did then. The stadia (at most clubs - but not Liverpool clubs!) are cleaner and safer and the players come from all over the world but beating Arsenal or Spurs then was just as enjoyable as beating them today. The big beneficiaries are the armchair fans and the companies who make so much money out of the game. I called on a friend once in Plymouth to drop off a power tool I had borrowed. The whole family were born and bred in Plymouth. When I went into their living room at about 1 pm on a Saturday they were all clustered around the TV watching "their team" on live TV - all of them, mother father and two kids, wearing Man Utd. shirts. They think the Sky coverage of football is great.
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Post by BristolMick on Nov 25, 2014 9:07:02 GMT
I'd be happier with no televised football and no money in our game. I don't agree with you very often MD, but looking back at my early days as a Stoke fan in the 60s and early 70s, I can't say that I find the game any more enjoyable to watch now then I did then. The stadia (at most clubs - but not Liverpool clubs!) are cleaner and safer and the players come from all over the world but beating Arsenal or Spurs then was just as enjoyable as beating them today. The big beneficiaries are the armchair fans and the companies who make so much money out of the game. I called on a friend once in Plymouth to drop off a power tool I had borrowed. The whole family were born and bred in Plymouth. When I went into their living room at about 1 pm on a Saturday they were all clustered around the TV watching "their team" on live TV - all of them, mother father and two kids, wearing Man Utd. shirts. They think the Sky coverage of football is great. It's funny you mentioning Plymouth because Argyle chairman James Brent had a big piece in the Herald yesterday about this subject and he reckons that illegal live streaming of Premier League games at 3pm on a Saturday definitely reduces their attendance and prevents some people from becoming active fans of their local club. BM
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Post by BristolMick on Nov 25, 2014 9:11:55 GMT
I'd like to see just how much monies these pubs are raking in before they make a song and dance about how much a licence would cost them. A licence to show games at 3pm on a Saturday wouldn't cost them anything because it doesn't exist. The potential £65k fine is to try and stop this practice which damages the smaller clubs much more than it does those supported by the legions of glory hunting parasites. BM
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Post by BristolMick on Nov 25, 2014 9:15:26 GMT
I'd like to see just how much monies these pubs are raking in before they make a song and dance about how much a licence would cost them. A licence to show games at 3pm on a Saturday wouldn't cost them anything because it doesn't exist. The potential £65k fine is to try and stop this practice which damages the smaller clubs much more than it does those supported by the legions of glory hunting parasites. BM
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Post by nott1 on Nov 25, 2014 9:50:32 GMT
I'd like to see just how much monies these pubs are raking in before they make a song and dance about how much a licence would cost them. A licence to show games at 3pm on a Saturday wouldn't cost them anything because it doesn't exist. The potential £65k fine is to try and stop this practice which damages the smaller clubs much more than it does those supported by the legions of glory hunting parasites. BM You wouldn't say that if Bristol had a team in the Prem.
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Post by BristolMick on Nov 25, 2014 10:12:09 GMT
A licence to show games at 3pm on a Saturday wouldn't cost them anything because it doesn't exist. The potential £65k fine is to try and stop this practice which damages the smaller clubs much more than it does those supported by the legions of glory hunting parasites. BM You wouldn't say that if Bristol had a team in the Prem. Why wouldn't I? BM
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 25, 2014 16:26:51 GMT
I'd like to see just how much monies these pubs are raking in before they make a song and dance about how much a licence would cost them. A licence to show games at 3pm on a Saturday wouldn't cost them anything because it doesn't exist. The potential £65k fine is to try and stop this practice which damages the smaller clubs much more than it does those supported by the legions of glory hunting parasites. BM BM whilst I understand your arguement the cynic in me asks when has Sky and the PL been concerned about smaller clubs? I think they just hide behind this kind of statement to justify the action they take and the restrictions they make on showing TV games at 3.00 pm on Saturdays. They don't seem too concerned about showing Sunday and Monday games that sometimes clash with football league fixtures.
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Post by BristolMick on Nov 25, 2014 17:25:04 GMT
A licence to show games at 3pm on a Saturday wouldn't cost them anything because it doesn't exist. The potential £65k fine is to try and stop this practice which damages the smaller clubs much more than it does those supported by the legions of glory hunting parasites. BM BM whilst I understand your arguement the cynic in me asks when has Sky and the PL been concerned about smaller clubs? I think they just hide behind this kind of statement to justify the action they take and the restrictions they make on showing TV games at 3.00 pm on Saturdays. They don't seem too concerned about showing Sunday and Monday games that sometimes clash with football league fixtures. I am equally as cynical about Sky and PL attitude towards the lower leagues bur I think that Sky would show games at 3pm on a Saturday if it was up to them don't you? It would be the clubs that are against it, and the smaller the club the more they are likely to be against it. We for example will be more against it than Manchester U, and say Vale or Crewe would be more against it than us. BM
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 25, 2014 18:33:10 GMT
BM whilst I understand your arguement the cynic in me asks when has Sky and the PL been concerned about smaller clubs? I think they just hide behind this kind of statement to justify the action they take and the restrictions they make on showing TV games at 3.00 pm on Saturdays. They don't seem too concerned about showing Sunday and Monday games that sometimes clash with football league fixtures. I am equally as cynical about Sky and PL attitude towards the lower leagues bur I think that Sky would show games at 3pm on a Saturday if it was up to them don't you? It would be the clubs that are against it, and the smaller the club the more they are likely to be against it. We for example will be more against it than Manchester U, and say Vale or Crewe would be more against it than us. BM Fair point. Although I do think that the monopoly of satellite Football TV coverage enjoyed by Sky is wrong and that cheaper services such as that offered by Greek Satellite TV company should have no restriction in UK. But that's another argument.
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Post by no1972 on Nov 25, 2014 19:10:08 GMT
The problem we have is that Sky are the bank manager and if the bank manager stops the funds we all suffer. The premiership created this monster and allowed sky to bank roll it.So if sky pulled there money out the lot would collapse, but that might be a good thing in the long run.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 25, 2014 20:10:10 GMT
There's many many arguments for either side of this subject, but surely the only thing we can agree on is that Sky are, and always have been, money-grabbing cunts who don't give a shit about game-going fans.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 2:03:02 GMT
Utter disgrace that in such hard times for pubs in general that this guy has been whacked with a huge fine. Just utter greed by the prem and the broadcasters, he is hardly affecting potential subscribers, he is simply giving his customers what they want. The bit that stands out for me is " I am working extra hours, have had to lay off staff, and am thinking of jacking it in" Hope it works out for you pal, and keep up the good work of actually giving customers what they want, unlike the greedy twats in the Prem & SkyTv... www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Pubs-risk-65k-fine-showing-Stoke-City-matches-3pm/story-24631042-detail/story.html
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Post by tazi on Nov 26, 2014 2:06:56 GMT
Goodness me how silly can this guy be to have got caught twice?.
Seriously, there's another thread about this lower down or on next page.
Winkythingy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 4:00:05 GMT
sky and murdoch are utter cunts and i hate having to pay money into their empire. the notion that they are doing this to help smaller clubs is laughable. if they wanted to help the smaller clubs survive then distribute the tv money more evenly.oh they cant do that can they as the greedy prem clubs esp the big 6 allways vote to look after themselves.fair play ? not a chance i am amazed more clubs in the lower leagues have not gone bust or do they all have generous councils?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 4:04:42 GMT
another side of the argument is i pay £££££ for my season ticket plus match day expenses[ok beer!!] yet the guy watching in the pub contributes nothing to stoke city yet still watches the match[allthough watching on a pub screen is nowhere near to being there] now i know some genuinley cannot afford a match ticket but the vast majority are too tight/lazy to bother with going the match.yet these same people come out of the woodwork for a big game eg wembley and spout bullshit about being stoke city's biggest fan!!
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Post by justlookin on Nov 26, 2014 8:02:43 GMT
Goodness me how silly can this guy be to have got caught twice?. Seriously, there's another thread about this lower down or on next page. Winkythingy. Wow, I opened this thinking it sounded interesting, second post is some sarcastic twat who clearly has all day to go on the oatcake so knows every single thread. Instead of trying to make the original poster look stupid why not just post link to the original thread? I hate this board at times, and I still haven't seen the thread you're on about.
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Post by pottersalt on Nov 26, 2014 8:22:50 GMT
Man commits crime and gets punished for it.
Man commits same crime and gets punished for it again.
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
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Post by tazi on Nov 26, 2014 10:47:43 GMT
Goodness me how silly can this guy be to have got caught twice?. Seriously, there's another thread about this lower down or on next page. Winkythingy. Wow, I opened this thinking it sounded interesting, second post is some sarcastic twat who clearly has all day to go on the oatcake so knows every single thread. Instead of trying to make the original poster look stupid why not just post link to the original thread? I hate this board at times, and I still haven't seen the thread you're on about. OMG.
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Post by slother on Nov 26, 2014 11:07:40 GMT
Murdoch is the champion of the common man and small government until technology starts eating his breakfast, then the regulators and the courts can't move fast enough. Steaming thundercunt. I've never had Sky and I never will. I would urge anyone to do the same. It's all fucking shite anyway.
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Post by coupe on Nov 26, 2014 12:15:28 GMT
How many on here truly believe Stoke City are happy with there home games being shown in the pub on saturday 3p.m. matchdays, they have entered into a agreement with Sky alone believing that this would not happen.
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Nov 26, 2014 13:07:43 GMT
Bloody great news. Can't stand pubs showing stoke home games. Can't stand them showing away games. Can't stand live streams. Ban them all I say. Best one was the 'stoke fan' in the sentinel that said he used to be a season ticket holder but couldn't renew as he doesn't have the time now so chooses to watch them in the pub! . I never watch in the pub and never watch a stream. So you don't give a fuck about those in the pub business trying to make ends meet ? It's a godsend for many and not all Stoke fans can afford a season ticket or match day prices
With respect Werrington, that is absolute rubbish.
I have a part share in a pub which pays Sky etc. circa £2,500 per year to show live games.
Why should my legitimate business take a hit when other pubs just scam to survive - if they can't survive without it then the sooner they close the better and maybe we will benefit from a few more customers!
And one more thing, this affordability argument is also shite - I'd love a Ferrari but can't afford one!
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Post by werrington on Nov 26, 2014 13:13:11 GMT
So you don't give a fuck about those in the pub business trying to make ends meet ? It's a godsend for many and not all Stoke fans can afford a season ticket or match day prices
With respect Werrington, that is absolute rubbish.
I have a part share in a pub which pays Sky etc. circa £2,500 per year to show live games.
Why should my legitimate business take a hit when other pubs just scam to survive - if they can't survive without it then the sooner they close the better and maybe we will benefit from a few more customers!
And one more thing, this affordability argument is also shite - I'd love a Ferrari but can't afford one!
Maybes but many pubs have sky sports/BT sport and pay for it just like yourself They also have streams that show Stoke games which are not on the tele Can't see your point
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Post by ChiefWiggum on Nov 26, 2014 22:59:03 GMT
Many fans stream matches because they can't physically go or they can't afford the ridiculous prices. Premier league ticket prices these days are an absolute joke anyway so it's quite obvious why people stream matches
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