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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Nov 22, 2014 20:03:45 GMT
With all the old 'every shot on target goes in' complaint, I took it on myself to go statto. Here's what I found...
Season 2014/15 ALL GAMES:
Opposition shots on target = 32, opposition goals = 15 (total opposition shots = 143)
Stoke City total shots = 166, on target = 40, goals = 13.
Stoke City corners = 65, goals from corners = 0.
So roughly 50% of opposition shots on target go in, not good. Only 25% of our shots are on target, averaging 14 shots a game. But the 15 out of 32 is a bloody shocker, when it is like a goal from the opposition from every 2.5 shots on target. No amount of possession can compensate for that when the opposition know they can score with a couple of shots!!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 22, 2014 20:09:11 GMT
Certainly a problem
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Post by slother on Nov 22, 2014 20:09:01 GMT
The stats that matter: Stoke 1, Burnley 2
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 20:12:22 GMT
With all the old 'every shot on target goes in' complaint, I took it on myself to go statto. Here's what I found... Season 2014/15 ALL GAMES: Opposition shots on target = 32, opposition goals = 15 (total opposition shots = 143) Stoke City total shots = 166, on target = 40, goals = 13. Stoke City corners = 65, goals from corners = 0. So roughly 50% of opposition shots on target go in, not good. Only 25% of our shots are on target, averaging 14 shots a game. But the 15 out of 32 is a bloody shocker, when it is like a goal from the opposition from every 2.5 shots on target. No amount of possession can compensate for that when the opposition know they can score with a couple of shots!! Been saying for a while now, that Bego hasn't been saving much at all really, all season. Those stats don't surprise me in the slightest. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 22, 2014 20:12:39 GMT
It's time to start looking at the goalkeeper. Butland is back with us now and I expect him to put some real pressure on Begovic who just doesn't seem to make many saves anymore. Yes I know Begovic is a world class keeper but he's been nowhere near his best this season.
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Post by borat on Nov 22, 2014 20:24:14 GMT
It's time to start looking at the goalkeeper. Butland is back with us now and I expect him to put some real pressure on Begovic who just doesn't seem to make many saves anymore. Yes I know Begovic is a world class keeper but he's been nowhere near his best this season. I agree about begovic. I actually think hes in the poorest form in his career, any shots the other team have seem to go in! First goal was a joke from bego. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 20:36:47 GMT
Bego has been inconsistent this season. Good at spurs. Pulled out a top class save. Not really under any pressure though is he
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Post by BuzzB on Nov 22, 2014 22:37:25 GMT
It's time to start looking at the goalkeeper. Butland is back with us now and I expect him to put some real pressure on Begovic who just doesn't seem to make many saves anymore. Yes I know Begovic is a world class keeper but he's been nowhere near his best this season. I thought Butland had extended his loan? Agree with Bego though, not the same player since the World Cup, communication with his back four is zero. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2014 22:39:06 GMT
Think people are being harsh on Bego tbh. You've got to look at what's in front of him first and foremost. He should have saved a few more than he has this season but not many.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 22, 2014 22:53:59 GMT
It's time to start looking at the goalkeeper. Butland is back with us now and I expect him to put some real pressure on Begovic who just doesn't seem to make many saves anymore. Yes I know Begovic is a world class keeper but he's been nowhere near his best this season. I thought Butland had extended his loan? Agree with Bego though, not the same player since the World Cup, communication with his back four is zero. He did but only for a week. Today was his last game for Derby unless they extend it again. |
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Post by bazzaboy666 on Nov 22, 2014 22:58:30 GMT
Remember that time everybody said Begovic was worth 15 million?
lol
10 at most.
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Post by philscfc on Nov 22, 2014 23:04:09 GMT
Hughes destroyed Begovic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 23:19:05 GMT
Hughes destroyed Begovic. Eh? |
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Post by stokesaint1 on Nov 23, 2014 0:55:28 GMT
Hughes destroyed Begovic. Eh? I'll echo that. Eh? |
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Post by Gods on Nov 23, 2014 1:06:25 GMT
With all the old 'every shot on target goes in' complaint, I took it on myself to go statto. Here's what I found... Season 2014/15 ALL GAMES: Opposition shots on target = 32, opposition goals = 15 (total opposition shots = 143) Stoke City total shots = 166, on target = 40, goals = 13. Stoke City corners = 65, goals from corners = 0. So roughly 50% of opposition shots on target go in, not good. Only 25% of our shots are on target, averaging 14 shots a game. But the 15 out of 32 is a bloody shocker, when it is like a goal from the opposition from every 2.5 shots on target. No amount of possession can compensate for that when the opposition know they can score with a couple of shots!! The actual figures based on your numbers are not 50% opposition shots on target going in and 25% of Stoke's shots on target going in rather 47% and 33%. Your point still stands but it is not as emphatic as you make it seem |
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Post by davethebass on Nov 23, 2014 1:08:44 GMT
Eh?
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Post by davethebass on Nov 23, 2014 1:10:23 GMT
lol
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Post by baddo on Nov 23, 2014 11:25:50 GMT
I've taken on myself to dig out a few stats using information from the BBC Sport website after being inpired by the OP. Some stats are slightly out compared to the OPs but not by much. In my geeky opinion stats such as these do make interesting reading.
Vs Burnley (H)
Stoke City 16% shot accuracy (25 shots, 4 on target), opposition 80% shot accuracy (5 shots, 4 on target).
Result 2-1 to Burnley.
Vs Tottenham (A)
Stoke City 36% shot accuracy (11 shots, 4 on target), opposition 28% shot accuracy (14 shots, 4 on target).
Result 2-1 to Stoke.
Vs West Ham (H)
Stoke City 28% shot accuracy (21 shots, 6 on target), opposition 20% shot accuracy (10 shots, 2 on target).
Result 2-2.
Vs Southampton (A)
Stoke City 12% shot accuracy (8 shots, 1 on target), opposition 10% shot accuracy (20 shots, 2 on target).
Result 1-0 to Southampton.
Vs Swansea (H)
Stoke City 17% shot accuracy (17 shots, 3 on target), opposition 38% shot accuracy (13 shots, 5 on target).
Result 2-1 to Stoke.
Vs Sunderland (A)
Stoke City 45% shot accuracy (11 shots, 5 on target), opposition 37% shot accuracy (8 shots, 3 on target).
Result 3-1 to Sunderland.
Vs Newcastle (H)
Stoke City 25% shot accuracy (12 shots, 3 on target), opposition 6% shot accuracy (16 shots, 1 on target).
Result 1-0 to Stoke.
Vs QPR (A)
Stoke City 50% shot accuracy (8 shots, 4 on target), opposition 23% shot accuracy (21 shots, 5 on target).
Result 2-2.
Vs Leicester (H)
Stoke City 22% shot accuracy (27 shots, 6 on target), opposition 12% shot accuracy (8 shots, 1 on target).
Result 1-0 to Leicester.
Vs Manchester City (A)
Stoke City 28% shot accuracy (7 shots, 2 on target), opposition 12% shot accuracy (16 shots, 2 on target).
Result 1-0 to Stoke.
Vs Hull City (A)
Stoke City 15% shot accuracy (19 shots, 3 on target), opposition 22% shot accuracy (9 shots, 2 on target).
Result 1-1.
Vs Aston Villa (H)
Stoke City 16% shot accuracy (12 shots, 2 on target), opposition 14% shot accuracy (7 shots, 1 on target).
Result 1-0 to Aston Villa.
Season so far Stoke City 178 shots, 43 on target. 24% shot accuracy. Stoke City goals 13. Goals to shots on target percentage 30%.
Opposition 147 shots, 32 on target. 21% shot accuracy. Opposition goals 15. Goals to shots on target percentage 46%.
In my opinion if we continue with this trend of not improving both at the top and bottom ends of the pitch we will be in the mix to a certain degree. Whilst I feel we have enough quality to stay in the Premier League, we are certainly not clinical enough with regards to taking our attacking opportunities and we are clearly conceeding a high percentage of shots on target from whoever we are playing. This must improve if we are to remain a top 10 or even a comfortable mid table team in the Premier League.
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Post by unknown182 on Nov 23, 2014 11:32:33 GMT
I'm interested to know if we actually practice set pieces in training any more. We just don't look like scoring from them at all.
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Post by march4 on Nov 23, 2014 11:33:23 GMT
Another ridiculous stat from yesterday.
Burnley had the same number of shots on target as us - four.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 11:33:45 GMT
The problem isn't the amount of shots or the accuracy of shots either for ourselves or our opponents.
The problem is we gift opposing teams goals.
Both goals yesterday were tap ins. Leicester and Villa were tap ins. Hull was a tap in.
That suggests we become defensively stretched very easily which suggests we are not very good at defending, contrary to our defensive record.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:53:24 GMT
The problem isn't the amount of shots or the accuracy of shots either for ourselves or our opponents. The problem is we gift opposing teams goals. Both goals yesterday were tap ins. Leicester and Villa were tap ins. Hull was a tap in. That suggests we become defensively stretched very easily which suggests we are not very good at defending, contrary to our defensive record. Agree, yesterday continued the vein of 'we need to create and work hard for goals' whereas the opposition this season have been handed chances on a plate. Yesterday's two goals being prime examples, Ings won't get many more dollies like we served up. |
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Post by euan ouzami on Nov 23, 2014 13:03:36 GMT
These stats mean nothing. A shot on target can mean anything from a top corner curler tipped away by the keeper to a tame dribbler scooped up with ease. A shot off target might hit the underside of the bar and bounce down on the line.
About as useless as possession stats.
I think our defence is generally well organised and hard to break down so there's fairly few shots on target against. But unfortunately there's the odd fuck up that let's them in with clear sight of goal hence higher proportion of shots to goals.
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Post by onionman on Nov 23, 2014 13:39:53 GMT
It's been the same two problems all season: we let teams score easy goals against us, and find it extremely difficult to score any goals ourselves. It's nothing to do with bad luck or shocking goalkeeping, it's to do with concentration at one end of the pitch and ruthlessness, composure and confidence at the other.
Everything else we do will be irrelevant until we fix those two problems. The good thing is Hughes must know that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 13:39:57 GMT
I think we are having really bad luck this season. We are giving teams few chances, but it seems that every chance they get they score. I am just hoping this poor run of luck will end soon. I even think we were unlucky v spurs they scored a ridiculous goal, and it gave them a chance in a game they deserved nothing.
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Post by onionman on Nov 23, 2014 13:45:00 GMT
I think we are having really bad luck this season. We are giving teams few chances, but it seems that every chance they get they score. I am just hoping this poor run of luck will end soon. I even think we were unlucky v spurs they scored a ridiculous goal, and it gave them a chance in a game they deserved nothing. Yes but the chances we are giving them are really easy chances. If the other team were reduced to 35-yard pot shots which were flukily deflecting past Bego, that would be unlucky. But they're getting simple, straightforward scoring chances, due to moments of slackness which keep repeating themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 13:55:25 GMT
I think we are having really bad luck this season. We are giving teams few chances, but it seems that every chance they get they score. I am just hoping this poor run of luck will end soon. I even think we were unlucky v spurs they scored a ridiculous goal, and it gave them a chance in a game they deserved nothing. Yes but the chances we are giving them are really easy chances. If the other team were reduced to 35-yard pot shots which were flukily deflecting past Bego, that would be unlucky. But they're getting simple, straightforward scoring chances, due to moments of slackness which keep repeating themselves. They are simple but we are not getting away with anything, never straight at keeper, no blocking by defenders and not missing. Even refs have played their part. We have missed loads of tap-ins this season and got away with very few. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2014 13:56:48 GMT
We aren't good at defending? Who da funk it?  |
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Post by 2004 on Nov 23, 2014 14:05:05 GMT
The other team are not even trying and we gift them tap ins
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:14:55 GMT
We should have put the money down and signed a recognised striker. I knew it would bite us in the bum, and as far as I'm concerned it has done. Been banging on about this for ages! It needs sorting in January. Crouchy and Diouf are not the answer! Much as I have always liked Crouchy, we need a bloody goalscorer!
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