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Post by slicko on Nov 22, 2014 21:19:40 GMT
Sparky was happy enough to keep Bardsley on for the full game.
Wasn't a great fan at the start but am beginning to see how effective he is as full back in a counter attack.
Thought he had a fantastic final 65 minutes today.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 21:23:18 GMT
I think it depends on the situation and team were facing. Today, I'd of started Cameron for his ability going forward. Injuries changed our side from Spurs and seemingly hurt our back 4's start. Both fullbacks were to far forward and out of their element early. Both Geoff and Phil were extremely similar last season in almost every statistic and to be honest I prefer the attacking fullback's so Cameron for me in that regard versus a side like Burnley. We just need to sort out the CB situation first and foremost, it's a gaping hole in the squad. Ryan's on an Island. Last season everyone said we needed a RB, a "solid" one not to get caught out of position and who could be physical well we got one and here we still are conceding goals from the right edge. I don't what Hughes is going to do about it. Trouble is that most of the more mentally challenged members of our support cannot distinguish from the fact that we as an outfit are bound to be more open,due to the fact that we are a more expansive football team these days that plays football in a completely different way to what we used to do. Under Hughes our fullbacks are and will be far more exposed than they used to be under Pulis,but they are also expected to be able to play football and offer something going forward. It tells you something when we have people on here trying to tell us that Wilkinson is still our best right back! It's Stoke board, not a Barcelona forum. I agree with you but It's going to take time, but having Michael Kightly do you in won't help your cause for RB by any means I don't care who it is. Were stuck between two sides on the team sheet usually. Either we go attacking or defensive. When we try to make one be the other we always get found out. We need defenders that can carry and play forward and defend at all times. Were making due with what we have quite well so far this season injuries aside but I take it season by season.
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Post by Bombus on Nov 22, 2014 21:28:05 GMT
He was, mate. One of our better players that is, once again. He and Bojan Second half, Immense. Yes, mate. I thought both did smashing, especially the little magician.
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Post by Davef on Nov 23, 2014 1:25:33 GMT
Is this thread a piss take? Phil Bardsley left the pitch two weeks ago with a groin injury and he's back in the team today - because we've got nobody else to fill in - yet he's getting criticism.
If anybody thinks he was playing for our club at anything more than 70% fitness today then you're an idiot
Give the guy a break.
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Post by bazzaboy666 on Nov 23, 2014 1:52:23 GMT
Think Bardsley has made some crucial errors this season. Had a decent game today but probably made the mistake that cost us a goal and we can't have that What errors before this game? Also how can someone have a decent game but cost us a goal? Some of you need I quit posting on here. Talk shite
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 9:43:37 GMT
Is this thread a piss take? Phil Bardsley left the pitch two weeks ago with a groin injury and he's back in the team today - because we've got nobody else to fill in - yet he's getting criticism. If anybody thinks he was playing for our club at anything more than 70% fitness today then you're an idiot Give the guy a break. Correct, from the Novus Stand 1st half you could see he was labouring a bit. The 2nd Burnley goal he should have stayed on his feet so definitely a poor decision from him. 2nd half though he was a real driving force, he was the winger and Walters the full back for most of it. For a Bosman I think he's a real good signing, not perfect but then he wouldn't be at Stoke if he was
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 10:07:16 GMT
Is this thread a piss take? Phil Bardsley left the pitch two weeks ago with a groin injury and he's back in the team today - because we've got nobody else to fill in - yet he's getting criticism. If anybody thinks he was playing for our club at anything more than 70% fitness today then you're an idiot Give the guy a break. Suppose it's a decent enough point. I'd say he was probably more than 70% fit though. And he certainly didn't look all that injured when he went diving in on Kightly on the halfway line for their second goal.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 23, 2014 10:09:24 GMT
He had an off day thats for sure, sure he'll be back to his best next week. Very diplomatic
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 10:52:33 GMT
Oooh shall we get Geoff back?? Fucking hell. [rolling-eyes thing]
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 23, 2014 11:04:28 GMT
Is this thread a piss take? Phil Bardsley left the pitch two weeks ago with a groin injury and he's back in the team today - because we've got nobody else to fill in - yet he's getting criticism. If anybody thinks he was playing for our club at anything more than 70% fitness today then you're an idiot Give the guy a break. Well said davef. Clearly less than fully fit but gave it a go for his team as he was obviously the least injured of those who were unavailable. Had a torrid 15 minutes where he didn't look confident in his ability to run but was excellent thereafter. Bojan, bardsley, sidwell, n'zonzi and shawcross are the only players to emerge from yesterday with any credit. Seen a number of Burnley fans today and each one has said how impressed they were by shawcross. The consensus was that he was a class above anything else on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 14:08:13 GMT
Does bardsley actually play right back? He spends most of his time too far up the pitch leaving us very vulnarable, shawcross gets pulled out of the box to cover him and leaves us wide open in the middle. We need huth back in the middle with ryan. He has far more experience than our other selections so far and would be better positioned to cover ryan when he does get pulled out of the box if we continue to play this way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:33:12 GMT
If he was as injured as people are hinting at then why did he get so tight to Kightly knowing he has a groin problem, thus restricting his ability to turn and run quickly?
Why not stand off him and show him inside with no space left behind?
Any crosses in the air would have been dealt with and we were comfortably man for man in midfield with Bojan doing a fine job again at nicking loose balls off cumbersome midfielders?
It makes no sense, certainly for someone who is 29 and has played for Man Utd.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 23, 2014 22:59:23 GMT
If he was as injured as people are hinting at then why did he get so tight to Kightly knowing he has a groin problem, thus restricting his ability to turn and run quickly? Why not stand off him and show him inside with no space left behind? Any crosses in the air would have been dealt with and we were comfortably man for man in midfield with Bojan doing a fine job again at nicking loose balls off cumbersome midfielders? It makes no sense, certainly for someone who is 29 and has played for Man Utd. Completely agree.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 23:04:53 GMT
It was the only look-in Kightly had all day. Footballers make mistakes, even the best ones.
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 23, 2014 23:09:46 GMT
Seems to make mistakes that are costly then performs reasonably
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Nov 23, 2014 23:35:58 GMT
I fecking love bards. The stick is completely unjustified considering how he's played this year and how committed he's been. One bad game and it's the typical "oh I always knew he was crap." Happens every week with every player. You can bet the same will happen with Bojan when he finally has a bad game. Fickle.
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Post by seanrjstokie on Nov 23, 2014 23:41:35 GMT
The guy is useless, shit going forward and can't fucking defend, you all moan about camerons defending, Fucking kightly made Bardsley look stupid... How much better balance did we have with Cameron in there against West Ham..
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Post by pez75 on Nov 24, 2014 12:34:22 GMT
I fecking love bards. The stick is completely unjustified considering how he's played this year and how committed he's been. One bad game and it's the typical "oh I always knew he was crap." Happens every week with every player. You can bet the same will happen with Bojan when he finally has a bad game. Fickle. Didn't even have a bad game in reality - just one very costly fuck up!
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Post by 2004 on Nov 25, 2014 8:43:19 GMT
Didn't look fully fit to me
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Post by RAF on Nov 25, 2014 8:59:30 GMT
If he was as injured as people are hinting at then why did he get so tight to Kightly knowing he has a groin problem, thus restricting his ability to turn and run quickly? Why not stand off him and show him inside with no space left behind? Any crosses in the air would have been dealt with and we were comfortably man for man in midfield with Bojan doing a fine job again at nicking loose balls off cumbersome midfielders? It makes no sense, certainly for someone who is 29 and has played for Man Utd. Perhaps his thinking was if he stayed tight to him, he could marshal him off the ball or make him pass under pressure thus not having to turn and run, knowing full well if he had to turn and run it might make his injury worse. It's a lose lose scenario with an injury like that. It probably makes sense to someone who knows his own body and the restrictions that kind of injury can put on you. H
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Post by stokeramblers on Nov 25, 2014 9:19:04 GMT
If he was as injured as people are hinting at then why did he get so tight to Kightly knowing he has a groin problem, thus restricting his ability to turn and run quickly? Why not stand off him and show him inside with no space left behind? Any crosses in the air would have been dealt with and we were comfortably man for man in midfield with Bojan doing a fine job again at nicking loose balls off cumbersome midfielders? It makes no sense, certainly for someone who is 29 and has played for Man Utd. Most decision making in fast paced sports are based solely on instinct. I don't think Bards had the time to do a full mental rundown on his injury and its limitations before making a split second decision to put in a tackle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 9:20:06 GMT
If he was as injured as people are hinting at then why did he get so tight to Kightly knowing he has a groin problem, thus restricting his ability to turn and run quickly? Why not stand off him and show him inside with no space left behind? Any crosses in the air would have been dealt with and we were comfortably man for man in midfield with Bojan doing a fine job again at nicking loose balls off cumbersome midfielders? It makes no sense, certainly for someone who is 29 and has played for Man Utd. Most decision making in fast paced sports are based solely on instinct. I don't think Bards had the time to do a full mental rundown on his injury and its limitations before making a split second decision to put in a tackle. He knew his limitations before the game kicked off.
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Post by wagstand on Nov 25, 2014 11:09:20 GMT
Can you imagine the stick Shotts would have got if he had fucked up like that against Kightly ? We have signed defenders who have not improved our team at all.
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Post by kevkj on Nov 25, 2014 11:13:52 GMT
The jury is out still with me about bardsley.
But its bollox about him being to high up the pitch,thats how we play. to get our width on the right. We have two holding midfielders who are supposed to fill in.
Have you watched Southampton,Clyne and Bertram bomb on, there two midfielders then cover naturally.
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Post by RAF on Nov 25, 2014 12:03:20 GMT
Most decision making in fast paced sports are based solely on instinct. I don't think Bards had the time to do a full mental rundown on his injury and its limitations before making a split second decision to put in a tackle. He knew his limitations before the game kicked off. Indeed he did, a lot better than you. As I've said above, lose, lose situation. H
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 12:28:07 GMT
Can you imagine the stick Shotts would have got if he had fucked up like that against Kightly ? We have signed defenders who have not improved our team at all. Bardsley's better than Cameron. If you don't think so, and you think Bardsley's mistake was bad, go and watch Cameron check over his shoulder 3 times, where Ings was, only to then stop suddenly, fuck knows what for, leaving Ings in acres of space to tap-in.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 25, 2014 12:43:44 GMT
Can you imagine the stick Shotts would have got if he had fucked up like that against Kightly ? We have signed defenders who have not improved our team at all. Bardsley's better than Cameron. If you don't think so, and you think Bardsley's mistake was bad, go and watch Cameron check over his shoulder 3 times, where Ings was, only to then stop suddenly, fuck knows what for, leaving Ings in acres of space to tap-in. I really don't understand how some fans are able to shoehorn blame to another player, in some weird way of justifying their favourite players. Whether you like Cameron or not, the biggest fuck up in that second goal was Bardsley's ridiculous challenge. I believe Cameron has anticipated the cutback, and Ings has run in behind him. It's not great defending by Geoff but he was having to cover the entire penalty area on his own. He's taken a risk and on another day, he probably intercepts the expected cutback and we all call it a fantastic piece of defending, actually, we don't because nobody gives him credit where it's due, do they mate? The fact is, the first goal was a fuck up by Sidwell, Muniesa and Bego. The second was a fuck up by Bardsley. Perhaps instead of blaming Cameron for literally everything including nuclear war, we should be looking at why we had chance after chance after fucking chance seemed to never actually get close to scoring more than one goal eh?
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