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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 22, 2014 18:48:37 GMT
Apart from his mistake for the second goal looked pretty solid but ffs if Kightly can rip you a new arsehole you know you're fucked. Gouranga.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 18:49:39 GMT
Apart from his mistake for the second goal looked pretty solid but ffs if Kightly can rip you a new arsehole you know you're fucked. Gouranga. All true. lol
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 22, 2014 18:51:27 GMT
Never god enough Cameron has played right back in our best performances recently bardsley is shit going forwards and worse at the back
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Post by adi on Nov 22, 2014 18:55:08 GMT
He felt it today. Feel for the lad, he wanted it tho and we fucking need that
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 18:55:19 GMT
Never god enough Cameron has played right back in our best performances recently bardsley is shit going forwards and worse at the back I think they are polar opposites. One's good at getting forward and intercepting the ball by getting us going. The other is a stout defender, good at marking and does what he has to (usuall barring today) to keep his man in-front of him. Cameron for attack, Bardsley for defence. Today I'd of had Cameron at RB against Burnley but that's me.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 22, 2014 18:58:00 GMT
Never god enough Cameron has played right back in our best performances recently bardsley is shit going forwards and worse at the back I think they are polar opposites. One's good at getting forward and intercepting the ball by getting us going. The other is a stout defender, good at marking and does what he has to (usuall barring today) to keep his man in-front of him. Cameron for attack, Bardsley for defence. Today I'd of had Cameron at RB against Burnley but that's me. If so who would you have played in Camerons position in the centre of defence? Gouranga.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 18:59:29 GMT
I think they are polar opposites. One's good at getting forward and intercepting the ball by getting us going. The other is a stout defender, good at marking and does what he has to (usuall barring today) to keep his man in-front of him. Cameron for attack, Bardsley for defence. Today I'd of had Cameron at RB against Burnley but that's me. If so who would you have played in Camerons position in the centre of defence? Gouranga. Muni. Then now knowing Bardsley can do LB apparently when called upm I'd of had phil sit the entire match there and defend and not go forward.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 22, 2014 19:10:12 GMT
Thought Bardsley played well.
Not seen the goals again but did he get skinned?
I thought he went into a challenge and Kightly got lucky with a rebound.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 22, 2014 19:12:09 GMT
The first goal is all about Muniesa over playing. Kicking it out is not a fucking crime. Dunderheaded football.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 19:12:53 GMT
Thought Bardsley played well. Not seen the goals again but did he get skinned? I thought he went into a challenge and Kightly got lucky with a rebound. He got skinned clean and proper mate.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 22, 2014 19:15:19 GMT
Bardsley was probably the best of the defenders today, but I'm still pissed off with him for his part in the early clusterfuck. Like every other player, there were too many stupid mistakes - misplaced easy passes, running the ball out of play, running down blind alleys, just stupid stuff like that. He was as whole hearted and committed as ever though, which was nice.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 22, 2014 19:16:14 GMT
The first goal is all about Muniesa over playing. Kicking it out is not a fucking crime. Dunderheaded football. It summed up our first 20 minutes quite nicely. A lazy, half arsed failed pass attempt that gave Burnley the initiative despite them being utterly woeful themselves.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 22, 2014 19:17:06 GMT
Thought Bardsley played well. Not seen the goals again but did he get skinned? I thought he went into a challenge and Kightly got lucky with a rebound. He got skinned clean and proper mate. Fair enough. A blot on his copybook then. Thought he was one of our better players overall mind.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 22, 2014 19:17:41 GMT
I'm not sure that Burnley had actually completed more than three passes by the time the second goal went in.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 22, 2014 20:15:49 GMT
Whole hearted not enough at this level he is a risk at one end too many goals and clueless at the other
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Nov 22, 2014 20:27:25 GMT
He got skinned clean and proper mate. Fair enough. A blot on his copybook then. Thought he was one of our better players overall mind. I was in block 32. Saw Bardsley clearly in this situation. At first it was a fairly harmless ball on the touch line. Initially Bards was a yard on his man getting to the ball, with Shawcross close in cover. BUT Kightly was determined to chase the lost cause, Bards and Shawx looked like they were cruising. Then bards realised Kightly was onto him and tried to get the ball first by sliding in, he got the ball but fucked it into Kightly who was near full-flight. Shawx was caught off guard and Kightly had the freedom of the park to pick out Ings who was near unmarked in the box. 2-0.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 20:33:56 GMT
Bang average and nowhere near as good as Cameron at right back. His diving in on the halfway line for their second goal wouldn't have gone unnoticed if it was Cameron being so fucki stupid.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 20:37:13 GMT
Bardsley was probably the best of the defenders today, but I'm still pissed off with him for his part in the early clusterfuck. Like every other player, there were too many stupid mistakes - misplaced easy passes, running the ball out of play, running down blind alleys, just stupid stuff like that. He was as whole hearted and committed as ever though, which was nice. He was pissed he had that let down I honestly think. His effort and commitment should never be in question.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 20:40:31 GMT
Bang average and nowhere near as good as Cameron at right back.His diving in on the halfway line for their second goal wouldn't have gone unnoticed if it was Cameron being so fucki stupid. Defending on the run isn't Bardsley's strong suit. Never has been. If you want an attacking RB' Cameron all day. If you wan't someone to sit and never go past the halfway line. Bardsley. Simple. Different styles.
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Post by Bombus on Nov 22, 2014 20:41:35 GMT
He got skinned clean and proper mate. Fair enough. A blot on his copybook then. Thought he was one of our better players overall mind. He was, mate. One of our better players that is, once again.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 20:42:36 GMT
Fair enough. A blot on his copybook then. Thought he was one of our better players overall mind. He was, mate. One of our better players that is, once again. He and Bojan Second half, Immense.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 22, 2014 20:43:27 GMT
He had an off day thats for sure, sure he'll be back to his best next week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 20:48:16 GMT
Bang average and nowhere near as good as Cameron at right back.His diving in on the halfway line for their second goal wouldn't have gone unnoticed if it was Cameron being so fucki stupid. Defending on the run isn't Bardsley's strong suit. Never has been. If you want an attacking RB' Cameron all day. If you wan't someone to sit and never go past the halfway line. Bardsley. Simple. Different styles. All I'm saying is that if Cameron had gone diving in like a prick like Bardsley did today,we wouldn't hear the last of it on here.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 20:50:00 GMT
Defending on the run isn't Bardsley's strong suit. Never has been. If you want an attacking RB' Cameron all day. If you wan't someone to sit and never go past the halfway line. Bardsley. Simple. Different styles. All I'm saying is that if Cameron had gone diving in like a prick like Bardsley did today,we wouldn't hear the last of it on here. You're quite right there is a massive double standard on here. Case in point, Why was Bardsley, "out of position?" Bunch of hypocrites depending on the week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 20:56:11 GMT
All I'm saying is that if Cameron had gone diving in like a prick like Bardsley did today,we wouldn't hear the last of it on here. You're quite right there is a massive double standard on here. Case in point, Why was Bardsley, "out of position?" Bunch of hypocrites depending on the week. No one will ever convince me that Bardsley is a better fullback than Cameron.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 21:07:23 GMT
You're quite right there is a massive double standard on here. Case in point, Why was Bardsley, "out of position?" Bunch of hypocrites depending on the week. No one will ever convince me that Bardsley is a better fullback than Cameron. I think it depends on the situation and team were facing. Today, I'd of started Cameron for his ability going forward. Injuries changed our side from Spurs and seemingly hurt our back 4's start. Both fullbacks were to far forward and out of their element early. Both Geoff and Phil were extremely similar last season in almost every statistic and to be honest I prefer the attacking fullback's so Cameron for me in that regard versus a side like Burnley. We just need to sort out the CB situation first and foremost, it's a gaping hole in the squad. Ryan's on an Island. Last season everyone said we needed a RB, a "solid" one not to get caught out of position and who could be physical well we got one and here we still are conceding goals from the right edge. I don't what Hughes is going to do about it.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 22, 2014 21:12:36 GMT
Don't really want to comment on our RB.
Suffice to say that that was the most effective performance I've seen Michael Kightly give at the Brit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 21:15:52 GMT
No one will ever convince me that Bardsley is a better fullback than Cameron. I think it depends on the situation and team were facing. Today, I'd of started Cameron for his ability going forward. Injuries changed our side from Spurs and seemingly hurt our back 4's start. Both fullbacks were to far forward and out of their element early. Both Geoff and Phil were extremely similar last season in almost every statistic and to be honest I prefer the attacking fullback's so Cameron for me in that regard versus a side like Burnley. We just need to sort out the CB situation first and foremost, it's a gaping hole in the squad. Ryan's on an Island. Last season everyone said we needed a RB, a "solid" one not to get caught out of position and who could be physical well we got one and here we still are conceding goals from the right edge. I don't what Hughes is going to do about it. Trouble is that most of the more mentally challenged members of our support cannot distinguish from the fact that we as an outfit are bound to be more open,due to the fact that we are a more expansive football team these days that plays football in a completely different way to what we used to do. Under Hughes our fullbacks are and will be far more exposed than they used to be under Pulis,but they are also expected to be able to play football and offer something going forward. It tells you something when we have people on here trying to tell us that Wilkinson is still our best right back!
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 22, 2014 21:17:34 GMT
Think Bardsley has made some crucial errors this season. Had a decent game today but probably made the mistake that cost us a goal and we can't have that
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Post by SidibeGod on Nov 22, 2014 21:18:11 GMT
PB looks good going forward but we need to stop leaking at the back. Thinking Glen Johnson.
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