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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 22:27:00 GMT
I am rapidly reaching the conclusion that Moses is an upgrade on Assaidi but that neither are as good as Arnie is and certainly nowhere near as Arnie could be. Arnie improved tremendously in the latter part of last season, in my view because he had someone else on the pitch with an equal football brain, Odem! He now has Bojan and that will improve his performances, just a great pity we can't have Arnie, Bojan and Odem on the pitch at the same time. Arnie better than Moses? Think someone's spiked your mushrooms He potentially is. He's just not playing to potential. Give me last seasons' Arnie over Moses any day of the week.
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Post by spiderpuss on Nov 23, 2014 22:41:28 GMT
Thought Moses was poor yesterday, very poor in fact. Perhaps he just wasn't fit/feeling some sort of injury? I guess Arnie didn't really have enough time yesterday, did some standard stuff, let down mostly by terrible delivery. As he will be the only option at Anfield, you'd imagine we'll see what he can do. Patience (not mine) is probably running out with Arnie though, some of the stuff he does is just rank bad. Stuff that you can't have from a player in the Prem.
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Post by upthefud on Nov 23, 2014 23:04:03 GMT
Arnie better than Moses? Think someone's spiked your mushrooms No, you are entitled to you opinion and I am entitled to mine. Moses puts lots of effort into his game and has pace but to what end? Arnie takes up good positions and creates good chances. Time will show that I am right especially now that Bojan is coming good. The two together will be an effective partnership as both need players with good footballing brains. Arnie came good last season as soon as Odem came on the scene, both excellent technical players with quick football brains. Arnie gets frustrated because others aren't quick thinking enough. He doesn't rush around except to track back which Moses does little of because he takes up good positions in the first place. Moses has 5 assists and a goal already. He also got Naughton sent off when he was clean through. As for Arnie? Without Moses this season we'd be in big trouble
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Nov 23, 2014 23:07:07 GMT
There's been loads of Stoke players over the years who received nil abuse from Stoke fans who were blessed with only a fraction of Arnie's ability. So he's patently not 'Shite' as some are saying. The difference was that they put a shift in for the team and gave it 100%, a fact Arnie seems completely incapable of doing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 23:28:07 GMT
There's been loads of Stoke players over the years who received nil abuse from Stoke fans who were blessed with only a fraction of Arnie's ability. So he's patently not 'Shite' as some are saying. The difference was that they put a shift in for the team and gave it 100%, a fact Arnie seems completely incapable of doing. Moses has been found wanting when it comes to effort/application too. But people are having four wanks a day over him.
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Post by upthefud on Nov 23, 2014 23:31:38 GMT
There's been loads of Stoke players over the years who received nil abuse from Stoke fans who were blessed with only a fraction of Arnie's ability. So he's patently not 'Shite' as some are saying. The difference was that they put a shift in for the team and gave it 100%, a fact Arnie seems completely incapable of doing. Moses has been found wanting when it comes to effort/application too. But people are having four wanks a day over him. Moses tracking is poor but there's a difference between that and a lack of effort. If you can't see a difference between the body language then I despair
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Nov 23, 2014 23:35:00 GMT
How people are sticking up for him is beyond me.
He brings absolutely nothing to the table, he had a good 3 months last season and apart from that he has done absolutely fuck all since he's been here.
Edit: Forgot to mention when he couldn't be fucking arsed take a corner and left it to Shawcross.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 23, 2014 23:43:01 GMT
Moses has 5 assists and a goal already. He also got Naughton sent off when he was clean through. As for Arnie? Without Moses this season we'd be in big trouble Please advise where that stat is from? (Genuine request.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 23:45:12 GMT
Moses has been found wanting when it comes to effort/application too. But people are having four wanks a day over him. Moses tracking is poor but there's a difference between that and a lack of effort. If you can't see a difference between the body language then I despair And YOU'RE mistaking body language for lack of effort. Not every player is a fist-pumping Roy Keane. What people need to remember is that Moses isn't our player, and won't ever be our player. Arnie is, and to that extent we should be encouraging him, not slating him. We've got people calling for Assaidi to be used instead - guess what - he's also not our player - in fact, he held out for a better move than Stoke, and made-do because he didn't get it. An on-fire Arnie is worth his weight in gold; only at Stoke could the fucking thick bastards that should be backing him, pummel him for over-hitting some crosses.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 23:46:03 GMT
Moses has 5 assists and a goal already. He also got Naughton sent off when he was clean through. As for Arnie? Without Moses this season we'd be in big trouble Please advise where that stat is from? (Genuine request.) I'm sure those stats will include the two points he helped is lose vs WHU
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Post by upthefud on Nov 23, 2014 23:51:29 GMT
Moses has 5 assists and a goal already. He also got Naughton sent off when he was clean through. As for Arnie? Without Moses this season we'd be in big trouble Please advise where that stat is from? (Genuine request.) Goal vs WHU Assists against QPR, Newcastle, Sunderland and Swansea. It's 4 not 5, apologies for that.
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Post by liamo on Nov 23, 2014 23:54:58 GMT
How people are sticking up for him is beyond me. He brings absolutely nothing to the table, he had a good 3 months last season and apart from that he has done absolutely fuck all since he's been here. Edit: Forgot to mention when he couldn't be fucking arsed take a corner and left it to Shawcross. Arnie is a Stoke player, he's the type of player we will be attracting, do you think for a second that Moses will sign permanently? Do you think that any winger that consistently tears up top tier defenders will be coming to Stoke? Arnie needs fans behind him, he hasn't had the best of starts but what good is there in getting on his back? We need him to perform, not dread walking out of the tunnel at the brit Stoke fans are so fickle, 12 pages of mostly garbage would be followed by another 12 pages of wanking him off if he puts in a MOTM performance against liverpool
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Post by upthefud on Nov 23, 2014 23:59:23 GMT
Moses tracking is poor but there's a difference between that and a lack of effort. If you can't see a difference between the body language then I despair And YOU'RE mistaking body language for lack of effort. Not every player is a fist-pumping Roy Keane. What people need to remember is that Moses isn't our player, and won't ever be our player. Arnie is, and to that extent we should be encouraging him, not slating him. We've got people calling for Assaidi to be used instead - guess what - he's also not our player - in fact, he held out for a better move than Stoke, and made-do because he didn't get it. An on-fire Arnie is worth his weight in gold; only at Stoke could the fucking thick bastards that should be backing him, pummel him for over-hitting some crosses. Have I said every player should be a fist pumping Rot Keane? Shawcross isn't like that, neither was Fuller. Different personalities make up a team it's common sense as I'm sure you'll agree. Every player should be capable of not moping around on the pitch like a hormonal teenager. Have you seen those tv adverts on about life skills? Body language rubs off whether you like it or not and his body language is appalling. That aside, he was shit on the day as he has been all season IMHO
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Post by upthefud on Nov 24, 2014 0:20:20 GMT
How people are sticking up for him is beyond me. He brings absolutely nothing to the table, he had a good 3 months last season and apart from that he has done absolutely fuck all since he's been here. Edit: Forgot to mention when he couldn't be fucking arsed take a corner and left it to Shawcross. Arnie is a Stoke player, he's the type of player we will be attracting, do you think for a second that Moses will sign permanently? Do you think that any winger that consistently tears up top tier defenders will be coming to Stoke? Arnie needs fans behind him, he hasn't had the best of starts but what good is there in getting on his back? We need him to perform, not dread walking out of the tunnel at the brit Stoke fans are so fickle, 12 pages of mostly garbage would be followed by another 12 pages of wanking him off if he puts in a MOTM performance against liverpool We never signed Mark Crossley permanently, we never signed Lee Hendrie permanently. Moses is a Stoke player for the here and now, certainly looks to me like he wants to be here more than Arnautovic
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 24, 2014 0:47:35 GMT
I really don't understand the shit Arnie gets.
We signed a player for a couple of million who had a reputation for being a world beater on his day, but was a bit of trouble and inconsistent.
Well you know what, he hasn't delivered his top top form consistently.
If he could do that, he'd still be at Inter. Sorry, no. He'd be at one of the top tier European clubs.
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Post by kurt on Nov 24, 2014 7:43:33 GMT
No, you are entitled to you opinion and I am entitled to mine. Moses puts lots of effort into his game and has pace but to what end? Arnie takes up good positions and creates good chances. Time will show that I am right especially now that Bojan is coming good. The two together will be an effective partnership as both need players with good footballing brains. Arnie came good last season as soon as Odem came on the scene, both excellent technical players with quick football brains. Arnie gets frustrated because others aren't quick thinking enough. He doesn't rush around except to track back which Moses does little of because he takes up good positions in the first place. Moses has 5 assists and a goal already. He also got Naughton sent off when he was clean through. As for Arnie? Without Moses this season we'd be in big trouble..but honestly, that is a sentence Mark Huges has gradually to deal with. It´s not understandable for me, that we have had this big success in the second part of last season, could stick the team together in summer and had great new signings with Diouf, Bojan, Sidwell and Moses!!!!!! It´s a shame that we loose the points at home against Leicester or Burnley with that squad.
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Post by potterglen on Nov 26, 2014 1:55:17 GMT
Fuck him off in January Sparky. Lazy, inept and fucking useless with the ball. Here we go, the usual shoot-from-the-hip shit after we lose.
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Post by jeycov on Nov 26, 2014 7:13:13 GMT
Assaidi can't play v Liverpool, Moses looking doubtful, Arnie could start on Saturday and we have to give him our full support
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Nov 26, 2014 7:29:18 GMT
Fuck him off in January Sparky. Lazy, inept and fucking useless with the ball. Here we go, the usual shoot-from-the-hip shit after we lose. Although I don't necssarily agree with cozmick that we "should" get rid of him, I wouldn't exactly be devastated if we let him go at what we felt was a reasonable price. There are definitely other players we'd miss more than him. If he sorts his attitude out, however, he'll become a valuable member of the team again. What lets him down most is his cockiness on the ball. A certain amount of cockiness can be a good thing but a lot of the time, at the moment, it's sacrificing his skill.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 26, 2014 7:46:27 GMT
Assaidi can't play v Liverpool, Moses looking doubtful, Arnie could start on Saturday and we have to give him our full support It's a massive opportunity for him.
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Post by adi on Nov 26, 2014 7:56:34 GMT
I hope he tears it up, but I don't think he will. Maybe against a bigger club he tries harder but the performance against burnley was atrocious. No wonder SJW has (rightly so) kept him out of the team.
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Post by kurt on Nov 26, 2014 8:00:13 GMT
I hope he tears it up, but I don't think he will. Maybe against a bigger club he tries harder but the performance against burnley was atrocious. No wonder SJW has (rightly so) kept him out of the team. He will...
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 26, 2014 9:02:10 GMT
I hope he tears it up, but I don't think he will. Maybe against a bigger club he tries harder but the performance against burnley was atrocious. No wonder SJW has (rightly so) kept him out of the team. He will... Even if he doesn't,his resident guardian angel will protect him against any criticism.
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Post by jeycov on Nov 26, 2014 9:10:03 GMT
He played very well in the 2 recent internationals, the Austrian fans were right behind their team and we need to stick by all of our players right now.
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Post by kurt on Nov 26, 2014 9:20:00 GMT
Even if he doesn't,his resident guardian angel will protect him against any criticism. ...only against aspersions
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 26, 2014 9:25:05 GMT
Desperately need him to find his best form.
Whatever has gone on/is going on we are losing the impact of a player who has shown has the ability to make a big difference.
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Post by strettonstokie on Nov 26, 2014 9:50:20 GMT
Markko is without dought a confidence player and i think he gets on his own back much more than the fans do. hes his own enemy sometimes and i think people mistake him being pissed off with himself for not looking like he cares! of course he cares this lad wants to play at the highest level possible so wants to do very well here so hopefully one day he can play higher. i know walters is playing really well at present but for stoke to move forward as a team we need players like markko, a combination of moses bojan markko and diouf up top all playing together and well is a lethal line up and will be really entertaining and deadly, it will happen you dont loose pedigree like markkos got its natural we just need to get behind him like we did bojan and he will start to shine again!!!!
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 26, 2014 9:55:55 GMT
I've always found it best to boo and moan at a player, always brings the best out of them...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 10:02:10 GMT
I've always found it best to boo and moan at a player, always brings the best out of them... Quite right. When that doesn't work you have to stand outside the car park gates and throw bricks at their cars as they come out. Fool proof.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 26, 2014 10:39:14 GMT
Its a shame he hasn't found last seasons form yet. Him, Bojan and Moses could be devastating.
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