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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 12:08:59 GMT
I hope so - at his age he shouldn't be standing around the technical area in our winter at a windy stadium on a hill like the Brit! Oh right, so you're a big fan of age discrimination are you? Disgraceful. They should lock you up and throw away the key for that. completely agree.... and if he's ever allowed back on this board again then i'm revoking my membership as i feel i should send the right message being a role model and all that
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Post by Davef on Nov 21, 2014 12:15:34 GMT
Referees are not cheats and are not biased, but they make mistakes, that is called being human. Any referee who doesn't give at least a yellow card for this challenge after the punishment he dished out to Glenn Whelan at Newcastle is a cheat in my book.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 12:17:53 GMT
Referees are not cheats and are not biased, but they make mistakes, that is called being human. Any referee who doesn't give at least a yellow card for this challenge after the punishment he dished out to Glenn Whelan at Newcastle is a cheat in my book. First time I've seen that. Unbelievable. Hitler is getting both barrels tomorrow.
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Post by rawli on Nov 21, 2014 12:20:14 GMT
Gary Monk is a young English manager who is currently flavour of the month. The FA, due to the press, are limited to only being able to pick from English managers for the England job in future. Therefore they don't want to put any black mark against one of their potential future managers. A slap on the wrists was therefore deemed acceptable. They couldn't do nothing to a manager who had called a referee a cheat so fudged it as they do all decisions - eg, Shearer assaulting Lennon before world cup, Ya Ya Toure kicking out at the Norwich player last year. The FA are corrupt from top to bottom - anyone who gets in bed with Jack Warner is by definition corrupt themselves. Peter Coates will just get off with a warning about his future conduct. Gary Monk.....a future England Manager??????? I respect your suggestion about the FA fella, but he cant 'manage' a smile most of the time. The day he is even considered for the England role is the day football dies, and its papering over the cracks for YEARS Hes just not very good at managing anything is he..? He needs to look up the definition of the word and take a step back and look at how much of a tit hes making himself look When your pool of managers consists of Fat Sam, Harry Rednapp, Gareth Southgate, Stuart Pearce or Shaun Dyche why wouldn't they be considering him?
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 21, 2014 12:30:06 GMT
It's extremely difficult Dave to give an opinion based on one picture, without seeing the tackle in full.
There is however a massive difference in a referee bottling a decision, making a mistake, not being sure etc, compared to being a cheat.
If people believe referees cheat then it's difficult for me to understand how people can enjoy the game, the basic honesty of officials is absolutely key to the overall success and popularity of the game.
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 21, 2014 12:42:17 GMT
Gary Monk.....a future England Manager??????? I respect your suggestion about the FA fella, but he cant 'manage' a smile most of the time. The day he is even considered for the England role is the day football dies, and its papering over the cracks for YEARS Hes just not very good at managing anything is he..? He needs to look up the definition of the word and take a step back and look at how much of a tit hes making himself look When your pool of managers consists of Fat Sam, Harry Rednapp, Gareth Southgate, Stuart Pearce or Shaun Dyche why wouldn't they be considering him? Youve just saved me the job if sifting through the rubbish thats on offer for the future. Monk is the poorest of a list of very poor alternatives. We seem to be drifting off topic about Lord Coates of Stokeshire being charged, but my final comment on the England role is to go foreign. We dont have ANY coaches with the technical ability of the likes of del Bosque (Euro and WC winner) Mourinho, Guardiola. Thats the sort of people we should be moving heaven and earth to get Wont happen though Anyway, back to the Coates being charged issue - oh yeah....bastards!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 13:24:30 GMT
what's even more bizarre now is that they've charged Coates because he simply criticised refs but Dave Whelan comes out and says it's fine to use terms like "Chinks" and say that "Jews want money more than anyone else and we can say that cos it's just a fact" and they've simply asked for his comments rather than charge him.
gotta love 'em!
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Post by lordb on Nov 21, 2014 13:35:23 GMT
what's even more bizarre now is that they've charged Coates because he simply criticised refs but Dave Whelan comes out and says it's fine to use terms like "Chinks" and say that "Jews want money more than anyone else and we can say that cos it's just a fact" and they've simply asked for his comments rather than charge him. gotta love 'em! The FA continue to make a laughing stock of themselves.
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Post by thestatusquo on Nov 21, 2014 13:44:25 GMT
I think Coates new precisely what he was doing here and I think he was right to do it. I'm sure that there's plenty of anecdotal evidence to point to "big" clubs getting the rub on fat too many occasions.
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Nov 21, 2014 18:18:21 GMT
Saw the main man today looking chipper. Didn't look too concerned by any means.
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Post by skip on Nov 21, 2014 18:52:48 GMT
There's no consistency mick in life in general, why expect it in football? In my line of work consistency is sacrosanct and I'd take any accusations to the contrary extremely serious. I could also provide evidence of consistency and indeed I have to annually. If I can why can't the FA?
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 21, 2014 19:31:05 GMT
So you think skip there is consistency in the law, in the courts, in health issues, in politics etc, etc, you must have led a very privileged life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 19:33:33 GMT
So you think skip there is consistency in the law, in the courts, in health issues, in politics etc, etc, you must have led a very privileged life. When you can't win an argument, a good tack to take, is to divert the argument and try and win that one.
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 21, 2014 19:35:28 GMT
So I take it turner you are the person on this thread who decides who has won the argument.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 19:36:41 GMT
So I take it turner you are the person on this thread who decides who has won the argument. Yes 321, I am.
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 21, 2014 19:42:03 GMT
Apologies, I must remember to call you p in future posts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 19:43:14 GMT
Apologies, I must remember to call you p in future posts. Accepted.
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 21, 2014 20:16:02 GMT
If you're reading this thread, Sir Peter, hope you're enjoying the quality banter in your honour... I also think you knew exactly what you were doing, it was 100% justified imo, look forward to your statemsmanlike next move.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 21, 2014 20:56:51 GMT
What in all hell... Somehow I missed this one yesterday. What in the hell is going on with the FA? Are they now a bunch of drama queens charging people left and right over their right to say there needs to be consistency? The game has gone mad. This will surely get the fans going!
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 21, 2014 21:00:45 GMT
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Nov 21, 2014 21:48:03 GMT
geoff123 said
'A committed Stoke fan cannot be a fair judge of a referees performance in a game involving his side because he/she is not impartial.
Any referee wants to officiate at the highest level, therefore it's pretty obvious they all seek to perform to a high standard.
The fact that some referees may favour home sides as always been a problem, if you have 40,000 fans screaming for a decision the referee is almost certainly going to be influenced, that's why crowds do it.
The majority of games I watch show the vast majority of officials to be good, if you want perfection then you need video technology but that's another story.'
I think you are playing devils advocate here a bit Geoff, I'm not 100% sure you believe what you are typing
Sure, I kind see some of the points you are making, but for example, the cup game v Southampton, the ref seemed to me extremely biased and seemed to have a pre-match agenda
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 21:53:01 GMT
I think you are playing devils advocate here a bit Geoff, I'm not 100% sure you believe what you are tying Summed up in a nutshell. That's why he is a WUM
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 21, 2014 23:03:41 GMT
There is no statistical evidence that referees favour the bigger clubs, nor is there any statistical evidence that Stoke are treated worse than other Premier League sides.
There are fans who can quote certain decisions in certain games that they claim proves their point, but any fan of any club could do the same.
In general referees need to be supported by clubs rather than undermined, having said that if Peter Coates feels strongly about the issue then should speak out, and that's what he has done.
For those people who claim referees are biased, or cheats, or bent or favour bigger clubs, let them produce the hard facts and figures to prove it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 23:06:56 GMT
For those people who claim referees are biased, or cheats, or bent or favour bigger clubs, let them produce the hard facts and figures to prove it. What sort of facts would they be? Video replays? That sort of thing?
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 21, 2014 23:10:29 GMT
Every club in the league could produce video replays, let us see some evidence of yellow cards/red cards/penalties etc clearly showing the top clubs having fewer of these, that would be a start.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 23:15:21 GMT
Every club in the league could produce video replays, let us see some evidence of yellow cards/red cards/penalties etc clearly showing the top clubs having fewer of these, that would be a start. Ah yes, I remember now - you were the one, that when presented with a photograph clearly showing that one of our players had been manhandled - disregarded that evidence and said that it wasn't a penalty.
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Post by kavinoz on Nov 22, 2014 6:32:10 GMT
I think you are playing devils advocate here a bit Geoff, I'm not 100% sure you believe what you are tying Summed up in a nutshell. That's why he is a WUM Excuse my ignorance - but what the hell is a WUM??
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Post by elystokie on Nov 22, 2014 7:54:36 GMT
Summed up in a nutshell. That's why he is a WUM Excuse my ignorance - but what the hell is a WUM?? I believe it's 'Wind Up Merchant'
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 15:34:15 GMT
Any news if Peter Coates is accepting the charge?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 15:49:43 GMT
Telegraph Football ?@telefootball 1h1 hour ago Stoke chairman Peter Coates to fight FA misconduct charge for bringing game into disrepute fw.to/QseNVjL
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