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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 20, 2014 19:08:10 GMT
In fact Geoff in light of what happened with Monk you said:
"He didn't call the ref a cheat and in my view common sense, for once, has prevailed."
Now PC hasn't called anyone a cheat at all either so I presume you will be calling for common sense again?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 19:12:49 GMT
In fact Geoff in light of what happened with Monk you said: "He didn't call the ref a cheat and in my view common sense, for once, has prevailed." Now PC hasn't called anyone a cheat at all either so I presume you will be calling for common sense again? Don't be silly Jamo. Geoff doesn't know what common sense is. If he did, he would realise that he doesn't have any. He just makes it all up as he goes along - to get a response.
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Post by burge2u on Nov 20, 2014 19:16:59 GMT
I think that Peter Coates deserves some vocal support from us on Saturday when we play Burnley.
....... what with Twatkinson reffing as well !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 19:27:57 GMT
It is supporters of football clubs that are biased, not referees. Well that rules you out of being biased, as you're not a supporter of any club are you. Merely an 'interested observer' that was your definiton wasn't it..? He can't make his mind up. Some days it's "we" others it's "you". When it comes to trotting out tired old cliches though I must say he is Mr Consistent....
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Post by surreystokie on Nov 20, 2014 19:31:52 GMT
Makc, you mention sanctions but any idea what they could be?
A week spent in the company of Sepp Blatter?
A fine of one week's pocket money?
Temporary Banishment from the chair of SCFC? (Step forward Keith.)
Stoke City not allowed to be in the top half of the PL?
Martin Atkinson to be the ref of our fixtures, for the next three months?
Being forced to have Roy Hodgson sit alongside him for the remainder of the season, after chauffeuring him from his Hampshire base?
Just off to fix a trip to Russia, to purchase one of those webcam whatsits for when our esteemed Chairman appears before the FA's eminence gris.
, when he appears before the FA panel
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 20, 2014 19:34:08 GMT
We can either have a sensible discussion Jamo about the problems faced by referees and try to understand the pressures they are under, or we can see the whole thing only from the perspective of Stoke City.
I have not met many supporters of clubs who think referees are on their side, so Stoke fans are no different in that respect.
I'm not sure exactly what Peter Coates has said, but anyone suggesting bias will trigger a reaction from the F.A..
Regarding Gary Monk, I think he was fortunate to get away with what he said, but I don't think he called referees cheats but suggested the action of Moses caused the referee to make a mistake and therefore cheat us.
The idea that the F.A. are going to be 100% correct or consistent in their decisions is fantasy, but like referees they tend to get it right in the majority of cases.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 20, 2014 19:38:53 GMT
He'll be fine. Gary Monk escaped without penalty for calling a Stoke player AND the referee a cheat without producing any evidence to prove what he said was true. So they can't possibly take action against Saint Peter for his well balanced and reasoned arguments. Can they? Monk was never charged mate,it's a total fuckin injustice but no surprise there.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 20, 2014 19:39:24 GMT
We can either have a sensible discussion Jamo about the problems faced by referees and try to understand the pressures they are under, or we can see the whole thing only from the perspective of Stoke City. I have not met many supporters of clubs who think referees are on their side, so Stoke fans are no different in that respect. I'm not sure exactly what Peter Coates has said, but anyone suggesting bias will trigger a reaction from the F.A.. Regarding Gary Monk, I think he was fortunate to get away with what he said, but I don't think he called referees cheats but suggested the action of Moses caused the referee to make a mistake and therefore cheat us. The idea that the F.A. are going to be 100% correct or consistent in their decisions is fantasy, but like referees they tend to get it right in the majority of cases. Your perspective isn't ever going to be a Stoke one though is it? You're an interested observer aren't you? As for Monk, for you to now say he was "fortunate" is back tracking quite a lot isn't it? Unless I misunderstood the meaning of "common sense prevailing".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 19:40:39 GMT
The idea that the F.A. are going to be 100% correct or consistent in their decisions is fantasy, but like referees they tend to get it right in the majority of cases. But the FA do not have to make instant decisions, as do referees. So why can't the FA get it right 100% of the time?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 20, 2014 19:49:34 GMT
Forget the charge. Forget the fairness of the charge.
Just applaud Peter Coates for another superb dig at Arsenal.
For a billionaire Stoke fan its very much a case of "say openly refs are incompetent - 10k. Say refs are biased againts your club - 50k. Take a pop shot Arsenal for the simple reason that you can - fucking priceless!
Fuck the FA. Fucj Woy Hodgson and fuck Arsenal!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 20, 2014 19:52:10 GMT
<<taps fingers on desk waiting for proper definition of "common sense prevailing" from Geoff>>
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 20, 2014 19:56:22 GMT
And this is what Coates said after the Liverpool game last season. Again, he wasn't charged. "The game changes when the referee gives a penalty for the merest of touches. The player dived," Coates told the Sentinel. "There was also a handball by Sterling before the penalty, one the linesman didn't see, and that is a game changer. "We are again victims of poor refereeing and I am sick of it. We had it against Newcastle and Tottenham, and now Liverpool. You get fed up with it because these are big decisions that affect the games you play in, so you are bound to get very upset by it. "It is well known that the big clubs, especially at home, but often away too, get the big shouts. I am not questioning any referee's integrity, it's human nature. It's always been like that and it never changes." Coates believes previous comments from the Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers about decisions that went against his own team in games with Chelsea and Manchester City may have played a part in Taylor's thinking. "If you remember, Brendan Rodgers was rather annoyed not to get a penalty recently," added Coates. "He made a big play of it and the media made a big play of it, so you do wonder if it crosses the referee's mind. I am not accusing referees of cheating, just acting subconsciously under various different pressures." He doesn't imply bias though onionman,as he did recently.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 20, 2014 19:59:23 GMT
And this is what Coates said after the Liverpool game last season. Again, he wasn't charged. "The game changes when the referee gives a penalty for the merest of touches. The player dived," Coates told the Sentinel. "There was also a handball by Sterling before the penalty, one the linesman didn't see, and that is a game changer. "We are again victims of poor refereeing and I am sick of it. We had it against Newcastle and Tottenham, and now Liverpool. You get fed up with it because these are big decisions that affect the games you play in, so you are bound to get very upset by it. "It is well known that the big clubs, especially at home, but often away too, get the big shouts. I am not questioning any referee's integrity, it's human nature. It's always been like that and it never changes." Coates believes previous comments from the Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers about decisions that went against his own team in games with Chelsea and Manchester City may have played a part in Taylor's thinking. "If you remember, Brendan Rodgers was rather annoyed not to get a penalty recently," added Coates. "He made a big play of it and the media made a big play of it, so you do wonder if it crosses the referee's mind. I am not accusing referees of cheating, just acting subconsciously under various different pressures." He doesn't imply bias though onionman,as he did recently. Garry Monk implied bias against his team, implied the ref cheated and said that Moses cheated more than once. No charge...
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 20, 2014 20:00:50 GMT
I think common sense prevailed Jamo, but with the F.A. any use of a word like cheating normally seals your fate.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 20, 2014 20:00:53 GMT
He doesn't imply bias though onionman,as he did recently. Garry Monk implied bias against his team, implied the ref cheated and said that Moses cheated more than once. No charge... Exactly. One thing we never heard about was who was investigating Monk? Has it been confirmed that it wasn't the Welsh FA?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 20, 2014 20:01:39 GMT
I think common sense prevailed Jamo, but with the F.A. any use of a word like cheating normally seals your fate. So Coates will be fine then working on your theory.
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Post by onionman on Nov 20, 2014 20:05:41 GMT
And this is what Coates said after the Liverpool game last season. Again, he wasn't charged. "The game changes when the referee gives a penalty for the merest of touches. The player dived," Coates told the Sentinel. "There was also a handball by Sterling before the penalty, one the linesman didn't see, and that is a game changer. "We are again victims of poor refereeing and I am sick of it. We had it against Newcastle and Tottenham, and now Liverpool. You get fed up with it because these are big decisions that affect the games you play in, so you are bound to get very upset by it. "It is well known that the big clubs, especially at home, but often away too, get the big shouts. I am not questioning any referee's integrity, it's human nature. It's always been like that and it never changes." Coates believes previous comments from the Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers about decisions that went against his own team in games with Chelsea and Manchester City may have played a part in Taylor's thinking. "If you remember, Brendan Rodgers was rather annoyed not to get a penalty recently," added Coates. "He made a big play of it and the media made a big play of it, so you do wonder if it crosses the referee's mind. I am not accusing referees of cheating, just acting subconsciously under various different pressures." He doesn't imply bias though onionman,as he did recently. I would argue that he does, particularly in this bit: "He made a big play of it and the media made a big play of it, so you do wonder if it crosses the referee's mind. I am not accusing referees of cheating, just acting subconsciously under various different pressures."Isn't that the definition of bias?
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 20, 2014 20:05:55 GMT
He's a very respected figure in the game, I think they may give him a warning but I think his alleged comments are more pointed at referees in general which may be a problem.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 20, 2014 20:08:57 GMT
He's a very respected figure in the game, I think they may give him a warning but I think his alleged comments are more pointed at referees in general which may be a problem. This is the point that people are making though and for some reason you are failing to recognise. Monk suggested the same AND called a player a cheat, then he refused to retract his comments. How come he didn't even get charged?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 20, 2014 20:11:24 GMT
Will he get a touchline ban?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 20, 2014 20:24:52 GMT
Will he get a touchline ban? I hope so - at his age he shouldn't be standing around the technical area in our winter at a windy stadium on a hill like the Brit!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 20:31:27 GMT
Unbelievable, spose I shouldnt be surprised though. I hope pc has kept a list of all the incidents where we have been punished since in the prem then highlight all the incidents against us that have gone unpunished. e.g. robert huth got a respective ban for striking an opponent, have I missed danny rose aka cheating cunt getting a ban for raising his hand against sjw? but to be honest I would just show the panel a vid of the newcastle game last season and ask for an explanation? dont hold your breath
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 20, 2014 20:46:19 GMT
We can either have a sensible discussion Jamo about the problems faced by referees and try to understand the pressures they are under, or we can see the whole thing only from the perspective of Stoke City. I have not met many supporters of clubs who think referees are on their side, so Stoke fans are no different in that respect. I'm not sure exactly what Peter Coates has said, but anyone suggesting bias will trigger a reaction from the F.A.. Regarding Gary Monk, I think he was fortunate to get away with what he said, but I don't think he called referees cheats but suggested the action of Moses caused the referee to make a mistake and therefore cheat us. The idea that the F.A. are going to be 100% correct or consistent in their decisions is fantasy, but like referees they tend to get it right in the majority of cases. Geoff, you just keep reeling them in. I think you're my favourite poster
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 20:54:34 GMT
He doesn't imply bias though onionman,as he did recently. I would argue that he does, particularly in this bit: "He made a big play of it and the media made a big play of it, so you do wonder if it crosses the referee's mind. I am not accusing referees of cheating, just acting subconsciously under various different pressures."Isn't that the definition of bias? Maybe the word 'subconsciously' got him off the hook. The kind of bias the FA don't like people referring to is the sort you'd see if one of us refereed an Arsenal match. There'd be no 'subconsciously' about any of those penalties.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 20, 2014 21:12:22 GMT
He doesn't imply bias though onionman,as he did recently. Garry Monk implied bias against his team, implied the ref cheated and said that Moses cheated more than once. No charge... Have they ever charged a manager for saying a player cheated?
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Post by march4 on Nov 20, 2014 21:45:05 GMT
Unbelievable
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 20, 2014 21:53:36 GMT
That's exactly what it is, mate.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 20, 2014 22:12:54 GMT
He doesn't imply bias though onionman,as he did recently. Garry Monk implied bias against his team, implied the ref cheated and said that Moses cheated more than once. No charge... He said Moses cheated the ref and the Fa agree obviously.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 20, 2014 22:19:15 GMT
He doesn't imply bias though onionman,as he did recently. I would argue that he does, particularly in this bit: "He made a big play of it and the media made a big play of it, so you do wonder if it crosses the referee's mind. I am not accusing referees of cheating, just acting subconsciously under various different pressures."Isn't that the definition of bias? Bias is a leaning towards,but Coates then states it is subconscious.If he had said it was a conscious leaning towards another team then he may well have been charged.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 20, 2014 22:24:04 GMT
They will complain about FIFA but seem to adopt a similar stance to any criticism . I hope he takes 24 hours of video evidence to any hearing of how referees prefer certain clubs over others , they may not mean it but ruled by their media friends it is what happens a lot of the time
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