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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 8, 2015 13:23:25 GMT
People who don't think a convicted rapist should work threatening to rape a relative of someone looking to employee him.
Britain 2015.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 8, 2015 13:23:41 GMT
Perhaps the most sickening aspect of this saga is in the future some assault victims may be less likely to report it to the police.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:32:58 GMT
The mods tend to do nothing on here at the best of times. Ive been called a cunt, a twat etc for posting something that someone else tends to disagree with. In fact I can never remember a time anyone said anything pleasant to me on here whatever the subject....yet arnt we all supposed to be fellow Stoke City supporters? You're one hell of a cool dude. *sniff*....thank you...im touched
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:34:46 GMT
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Post by unknown182 on Jan 8, 2015 13:38:39 GMT
Where were the Oldham fans and their petition after they signed this guy?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:41:31 GMT
oh so now he apologises....
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Post by ukcstokie on Jan 8, 2015 13:51:17 GMT
oh so now he apologises.... Does he? Where?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jan 8, 2015 13:52:31 GMT
Perhaps the most sickening aspect of this saga is in the future some assault victims may be less likely to report it to the police. Why? We've just had a case where a British M.P. was investigated for rape but not charged. His identity has been dragged through the media whilst his accuser remains anonymous! To imply this is one-sided is utter nonsense!
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Post by rorymscfc on Jan 8, 2015 13:53:07 GMT
He's put out a very carefully worded statement maintaining his innocence but apologising for the consequences of what happened that night.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:54:50 GMT
well his agent has....
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Post by basingstokie on Jan 8, 2015 13:55:01 GMT
oh so now he apologises.... He's not apologised for the rape though has he. Because as far as he is concerned (& from what I've read of the trial docs), he did have her consent, he was found guilty because she was judged (later) to have been too drunk to consent. Was he supposed to get her to do a sobriety test or something & anyway, how drunk is too drunk - its a horrendous area and frankly anyone who goes out on a Friday night hoping to get lucky is treading an extremely fine line if this is what the law is. He has apologised for the effect of his actions, by which I presume he means the effect on the victim and also what his 'supporters' have done in publically naming and hounding her ever since. He surely now just has to get the appeal (or whatever the hell it is) done as it is clear that any club that attempts to sign him is going to be hounded into submission by the 'twitterati'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:56:40 GMT
Where were the Oldham fans and their petition after they signed this guy? His cute little dance must have won them over
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Post by salopstick on Jan 8, 2015 13:57:23 GMT
He is a rapist but he had served his sentence within the laws of the land
The same law allows him to go back into enjoyment as his conditions allow
The authorities and media have allowed this circus to continue and fuelled the mob. Those in positions of authority should go with the legal line which is "If he can find a club he can play football". It is not for politicians or the GMP to be throwing opinions out there contrary to the law.
His personal statement is long over due but consistent with someone who still has a process ongoing
The extreme supporters on both sides are disgraceful and agenda based
In my opinion this case resonates with a lot of men because a lot of us have been in similar positions and if his story is to be believed have similar tales and could have done time ourselves
I feel sorry for Oldham, they have tried to do the right thing and ithe mob seem to have won
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Post by Gods on Jan 8, 2015 13:59:07 GMT
It does seem a shame that Oldham pulled out but listening to their sponsors on the TV it seems they were bullied by the lynch mob and had to threaten to pull out. Oldham don't have 2 coins to rub together so with the few small sponsors they do have threatening to withdraw that was probably it. In addition it was said Oldham staff members came under threat.
It could be 7 months until the hearing is concluded where his name may be cleared so realistically we are looking at the start of next season before Evans is back. Guess he will just have to bide his time and try to stay fit somewhere.
Meantime this thread seems to be marked to drop down the board even if people post so it's probably good night for this discussion too.
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Post by ihaveadream on Jan 8, 2015 13:59:50 GMT
No, don't delete it, it would be very useful to anyone suffering from insomnia
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 14:01:46 GMT
oh so now he apologises.... He's not apologised for the rape though has he. Because as far as he is concerned (& from what I've read of the trial docs), he did have her consent, he was found guilty because she was judged (later) to have been too drunk to consent. Was he supposed to get her to do a sobriety test or something & anyway, how drunk is too drunk - its a horrendous area and frankly anyone who goes out on a Friday night hoping to get lucky is treading an extremely fine line if this is what the law is. He has apologised for the effect of his actions, by which I presume he means the effect on the victim and also what his 'supporters' have done in publically naming and hounding her ever since. He surely now just has to get the appeal (or whatever the hell it is) done as it is clear that any club that attempts to sign him is going to be hounded into submission by the 'twitterati' I never said he had apologised for the rape. im just quoting all the news stories...that he's issued an apology to his victim....this after the oldham door has been shut.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jan 8, 2015 14:30:53 GMT
I've just made a formal complaint to H.M. Police regarding their inaction regarding the orchestrated campaign against Ched Evans. I asked the simple question, how is it twitter abusers in South Wales have been charged and convicted whilst the small group of twitterers can run the same campaigns in Sheffield, Hartlepool and now Oldham and remain uncharged? Apparently, there have been other similar complaints yet no action? How is it an old lady stealing a Mars bar in Sainsbo's is imprisoned whilst people threatening murder are allowed to walk our streets?
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Post by Gods on Jan 8, 2015 14:31:08 GMT
oh so now he apologises.... He's not apologised for the rape though has he. Because as far as he is concerned (& from what I've read of the trial docs), he did have her consent, he was found guilty because she was judged (later) to have been too drunk to consent. Was he supposed to get her to do a sobriety test or something & anyway, how drunk is too drunk - its a horrendous area and frankly anyone who goes out on a Friday night hoping to get lucky is treading an extremely fine line if this is what the law is. He has apologised for the effect of his actions, by which I presume he means the effect on the victim and also what his 'supporters' have done in publically naming and hounding her ever since. He surely now just has to get the appeal (or whatever the hell it is) done as it is clear that any club that attempts to sign him is going to be hounded into submission by the 'twitterati' Imagine trying to judge how drunk is too drunk when you are drunk yourself! Perhaps if he had got his revenge in first and charged her we'd be somewhere else now but that is all water under the bridge. I still fail to understand how Evans could be guilty and not McDonald since the reason was "too drunk to consent". In fact I know there is no answer to that other than the jury felt more kindly disposed to him having the perfunctory courtship the 10 minute taxi ride afforded. But that would in no sense affect that non-consensual state of drunkenness at which the girl had allegedly arrived. Basically they got it wrong disgusted by the whole tawdry event as many of them no doubt were.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 8, 2015 14:35:36 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 8, 2015 14:40:21 GMT
This from you who once inferred as a teacher I interfered with children in my care. What a sickening hypocrite you truly are. Thank you. The whole thread has been saved just in case it is required for future reference. Delete away admin. As did I with the original accusations you made some months back on the GMB.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 15:02:16 GMT
he did that interview on talksport last night and people called up afterwards and asked a question no-one actually knew the answer to (including the shadow minister himself).....employment law! if he is prevented from taking up a particular occupation that is NOT on the list of occupations that UK Law deem inappropriate due to his crime then employers could be sued for refusing to employ him on grounds of discrimination. before the FA can arbitrarily deny him the opportunity to play football governed by the FA again,UK law would need to change and indicate that those guilty of rape cannot enter football as a career. the FA is not a company that employs these footballers, they are the governing body. they cannot tell any club who they can or cannot employ if that decision contravenes UK employment law which gives everyone who is legally entitled to take up that occupation equal rights and opportunities to do so (which is the same reason why the FA cannot refuse to allow clubs to sign players from within the EU). if individual "Companies" (i.e. clubs) choose not to sign him because of the negative impact on their business then that's fair enough but the FA cannot tell every club in the land that they can't sign for them. i wouldn't be surprised if the angry mob force the law to be changed though and if that happens then we really are on a downward slope in terms of the UK justice system!
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Post by Gods on Jan 8, 2015 15:06:22 GMT
We're sinking like a stone folks, I think this thread was just deemed too interesting and distracting to important matters like Andy Townsends future at ITV
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Post by southcranford on Jan 8, 2015 16:15:33 GMT
It does seem a shame that Oldham pulled out but listening to their sponsors on the TV it seems they were bullied by the lynch mob and had to threaten to pull out. Oldham don't have 2 coins to rub together so with the few small sponsors they do have threatening to withdraw that was probably it. In addition it was said Oldham staff members came under threat. It could be 7 months until the hearing is concluded where his name may be cleared so realistically we are looking at the start of next season before Evans is back. Guess he will just have to bide his time and try to stay fit somewhere. Meantime this thread seems to be marked to drop down the board even if people post so it's probably good night for this discussion too. Doubtful pal, the lynch mob will end up picketing every PureGym, Fitness First, Local Park etc demanding that he shouldnt be allowed to keep himself fit....
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Post by 2004 on Jan 8, 2015 16:28:53 GMT
I seriously hope that the 24 hour coverage of this is going to end soon.
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Post by manicstreetpotter on Jan 8, 2015 16:41:19 GMT
Hehe poor little Ched. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 8, 2015 16:46:09 GMT
Thank you. The whole thread has been saved just in case it is required for future reference. Delete away admin. As did I with the original accusations you made some months back on the GMB. Good lad.
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Post by madasasnake on Jan 8, 2015 17:38:06 GMT
“My father always used to say, "Don't raise your voice. Improve your argument." Good sense does not always lie with the loudest shouters, nor can we say that a large, unruly crowd is always the best arbiter of what is right.”
Desmond Tutu
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Post by stokie1130 on Jan 8, 2015 19:26:02 GMT
The fail should get him havent they had a few convicted rapist play for them ?
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Post by k on Jan 8, 2015 23:51:25 GMT
Can't see how any appeal process could be looked at either favourably or fairly given the public and media involvement since the trial. Any reversal or acquittal would make many people, including senior politicians, sports stars, musicians and several companies who have withdrawn, look somewhat stupid and in a potentially libellous position. Should they not allow an appeal as a result, questions could surely be asked about the handling of this case. The question is, if he has been given the right to appeal, how have reporting restrictions not been addressed, as they have surely destroyed any hope of overturning a decision that some are questioning. This is not an appeal - I believe the judgement was appealed and the appeal failed There is a body however which looks at court decisions and decides if the court decision is safe or unsafe (have correct procedures been followed etc) - that is the process currently underway Correct. Here is the appeal narrative, for those interested in reading why the appeal was turned down... www.crimeline.info/uploads/cases/2012ewcacrim2559.pdfIt's a poor decision, no doubt, and I think it will be deemed unsafe later. I think the conviction will be quashed in the long term.
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Post by upthefud on Jan 8, 2015 23:52:39 GMT
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