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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 10, 2014 22:53:13 GMT
I've just caught the end of a Peter Coates interview with SSN where he said we have the best squad we've had since returning to the top flight.
What came before it? Anyone see it? Clearly some Shawcross talk because they went on to compare Shawcross with other England candidates
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Post by ParaPsych on Nov 10, 2014 22:55:00 GMT
I hope this isn't Coates trying to justify not giving Hughes any money in the forthcoming tranfer windows.  |
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Post by 1982stokie on Nov 10, 2014 22:56:17 GMT
What did they say about Shawcross in comparison with the England player
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 10, 2014 22:57:34 GMT
Coatesy was on saying it's the worst England defence he's ever seen, and that Shawcross is being singled out as being one of the worst offenders for grappling, which in turn is going against him getting a call up.
About time he spoke publicly defending our Ryan.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 10, 2014 22:58:39 GMT
What did they say about Shawcross in comparison with the England player Basically that in opta stat terms he compared favourably with every defender in every department apart from pass completion where he was the worst by miles. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 10, 2014 22:59:01 GMT
I notice that since Hughes alluded to us dealing with the media behind the scenes, everybody has let up on Ryan a little bit. I wonder what happened.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 10, 2014 23:19:37 GMT
What did they say about Shawcross in comparison with the England player Basically that in opta stat terms he compared favourably with every defender in every department apart from pass completion where he was the worst by miles. Presumably because our centre-halves don't spend ages pissing about squaring the ball to each other each game? |
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Post by djduncanjames on Nov 10, 2014 23:30:00 GMT
Funny that I never see him give the ball away with poor passes? :/
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Nov 10, 2014 23:36:22 GMT
I notice that since Hughes alluded to us dealing with the media behind the scenes, everybody has let up on Ryan a little bit. I wonder what happened. I should think they just told them to lay off or co-operation would be withdrawn |
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Post by onionman on Nov 10, 2014 23:40:38 GMT
I notice that since Hughes alluded to us dealing with the media behind the scenes, everybody has let up on Ryan a little bit. I wonder what happened. As someone else mentioned, MOTD2 yesterday came across like an apology. I thought the presenter's reference to Ryan epitomising our spirit, while correct, also seemed a little incongruent, as if they were trying to shoehorn something positive about Ryan into the coverage. I suspect the Hartson outburst breached some kind of BBC rules on impartiality, and Stoke agreed not to pursue the matter further as long as they were allowed to report Moses received a personal apology from Hartson, and that the next Stoke game on MOTD contained an overdue bit of praise for Ryan. All a bit politicky but fair play to Hughes and Coates if that's what happened. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 11, 2014 0:16:41 GMT
I notice that since Hughes alluded to us dealing with the media behind the scenes, everybody has let up on Ryan a little bit. I wonder what happened. As someone else mentioned, MOTD2 yesterday came across like an apology. I thought the presenter's reference to Ryan epitomising our spirit, while correct, also seemed a little incongruent, as if they were trying to shoehorn something positive about Ryan into the coverage. I suspect the Hartson outburst breached some kind of BBC rules on impartiality, and Stoke agreed not to pursue the matter further as long as they were allowed to report Moses received a personal apology from Hartson, and that the next Stoke game on MOTD contained an overdue bit of praise for Ryan. All a bit politicky but fair play to Hughes and Coates if that's what happened. Are you on the whacky backy? |
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Post by NassauDave on Nov 11, 2014 2:13:55 GMT
Shawcross playing for England won't make him a better player.
It's Englands loss, but I am happy for him to rest and not have to endure the England games risking fatigue and injury.
He was immense at Spurs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 2:27:32 GMT
I notice that since Hughes alluded to us dealing with the media behind the scenes, everybody has let up on Ryan a little bit. I wonder what happened. As someone else mentioned, MOTD2 yesterday came across like an apology. I thought the presenter's reference to Ryan epitomising our spirit, while correct, also seemed a little incongruent, as if they were trying to shoehorn something positive about Ryan into the coverage. I suspect the Hartson outburst breached some kind of BBC rules on impartiality, and Stoke agreed not to pursue the matter further as long as they were allowed to report Moses received a personal apology from Hartson, and that the next Stoke game on MOTD contained an overdue bit of praise for Ryan. All a bit politicky but fair play to Hughes and Coates if that's what happened. Really ? |
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Post by jeycov on Nov 11, 2014 7:46:52 GMT
Shawcross playing for England won't make him a better player. It's Englands loss, but I am happy for him to rest and not have to endure the England games risking fatigue and injury. He was immense at Spurs. Ryan deserves another chance. There's always going to be additional risks for any player involved. some clubs choose to ptotect their "better "players by omitting them in early rounds of Cup competitions, risking an early exit. The risk for Stoke is that Ryan will look elsewhere, Stoke need to continue to promote his abilitiesas well as retain him here as captain. |
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Post by 2004 on Nov 11, 2014 8:41:30 GMT
He should be in the squad but he never will be because of Hodgson.
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Post by prem4stoke on Nov 11, 2014 8:49:19 GMT
I notice that since Hughes alluded to us dealing with the media behind the scenes, everybody has let up on Ryan a little bit. I wonder what happened. As someone else mentioned, MOTD2 yesterday came across like an apology. I thought the presenter's reference to Ryan epitomising our spirit, while correct, also seemed a little incongruent, as if they were trying to shoehorn something positive about Ryan into the coverage. I suspect the Hartson outburst breached some kind of BBC rules on impartiality, and Stoke agreed not to pursue the matter further as long as they were allowed to report Moses received a personal apology from Hartson, and that the next Stoke game on MOTD contained an overdue bit of praise for Ryan. All a bit politicky but fair play to Hughes and Coates if that's what happened. What would have happened if Stoke had a shocker? |
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Post by jeycov on Nov 11, 2014 8:51:29 GMT
As someone else mentioned, MOTD2 yesterday came across like an apology. I thought the presenter's reference to Ryan epitomising our spirit, while correct, also seemed a little incongruent, as if they were trying to shoehorn something positive about Ryan into the coverage. I suspect the Hartson outburst breached some kind of BBC rules on impartiality, and Stoke agreed not to pursue the matter further as long as they were allowed to report Moses received a personal apology from Hartson, and that the next Stoke game on MOTD contained an overdue bit of praise for Ryan. All a bit politicky but fair play to Hughes and Coates if that's what happened. What would have happened if Stoke had a shocker? I doesn't seem to make any difference to the likes of Smalling, Jones, Cahill etc |
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Post by stokeramblers on Nov 11, 2014 9:07:51 GMT
What would have happened if Stoke had a shocker? I doesn't seem to make any difference to the likes of Smalling, Jones, Cahill etc Amen to that..! |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 11, 2014 9:21:13 GMT
It shouldnt be about whats said in the media. Why dont Coates or Hughes just give a Hodgson a bloody phonecall and ask him WHY he wont pick Shawcross again.
Apart from his weekly trip to Southampton the old codger isnt exactly busy and Im sure can take a phonecall.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 10:28:34 GMT
It shouldnt be about whats said in the media. Why dont Coates or Hughes just give a Hodgson a bloody phonecall and ask him WHY he wont pick Shawcross again. Apart from his weekly trip to Southampton the old codger isnt exactly busy and Im sure can take a phonecall. I think they have but everytime the phone rings Woy opens the door  |
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Post by onionman on Nov 11, 2014 12:18:04 GMT
As someone else mentioned, MOTD2 yesterday came across like an apology. I thought the presenter's reference to Ryan epitomising our spirit, while correct, also seemed a little incongruent, as if they were trying to shoehorn something positive about Ryan into the coverage. I suspect the Hartson outburst breached some kind of BBC rules on impartiality, and Stoke agreed not to pursue the matter further as long as they were allowed to report Moses received a personal apology from Hartson, and that the next Stoke game on MOTD contained an overdue bit of praise for Ryan. All a bit politicky but fair play to Hughes and Coates if that's what happened. What would have happened if Stoke had a shocker? As we've seen since we got promoted, punditry and commentary is basically narrative driven bullshit which has mostly been decided on before the game has kicked off, and what happens in the game itself doesn't really matter. I thought this week's positive coverage was a change in narrative. It just seemed very surprising they would suddenly single out Ryan for praise over his "spirit". Yes he had a great game, but he's had many great games before, and he's epitomised our spirit for eight seasons, and yet nobody's ever mentioned his spirit before, at least since 2010, when the narrative switched from Ryan the future England centre-back to Ryan the talentless bully. Hughes and Coates seem rightly concerned that this media coverage has cost us refereeing decisions and have done something behind the scenes to try to influence it. Maybe Hartson's tirade overstepped the mark by so much, it finally gave us some leverage. It was certainly strange that Hartson publicly stood by his comments and then out of the blue Stoke issued an official statement from Moses saying he'd received a personal apology from Hartson, which neither Hartson nor anyone at the BBC has denied. My guess is we and Ryan will enjoy some positive coverage (until we next beat Arsenal). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 12:25:12 GMT
Although some of the negative press drives me mad at times deep down I dont mind it, it tends to galvanize our support, nothing makes a better atmosphere than a shit ref making controversial decisions or a team's staff bitching.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 12:33:19 GMT
Hughes and Coates seem rightly concerned that this media coverage has cost us refereeing decisions and have done something behind the scenes to try to influence it. Maybe Hartson's tirade overstepped the mark by so much, it finally gave us some leverage. It was certainly strange that Hartson publicly stood by his comments and then out of the blue Stoke issued an official statement from Moses saying he'd received a personal apology from Hartson, which neither Hartson nor anyone at the BBC has denied. I wondered if us getting a better deal from MotD was part of a package with us letting Hartson off quite lightly and without too much fuss once the apology had been made. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 11, 2014 12:48:46 GMT
I notice that since Hughes alluded to us dealing with the media behind the scenes, everybody has let up on Ryan a little bit. I wonder what happened. As someone else mentioned, MOTD2 yesterday came across like an apology. I thought the presenter's reference to Ryan epitomising our spirit, while correct, also seemed a little incongruent, as if they were trying to shoehorn something positive about Ryan into the coverage. I suspect the Hartson outburst breached some kind of BBC rules on impartiality, and Stoke agreed not to pursue the matter further as long as they were allowed to report Moses received a personal apology from Hartson, and that the next Stoke game on MOTD contained an overdue bit of praise for Ryan. All a bit politicky but fair play to Hughes and Coates if that's what happened. makes sense to me |
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