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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 9, 2014 17:20:04 GMT
compared to 11 games last year?
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Post by slother on Nov 9, 2014 17:21:09 GMT
Depends which 11 games you're talking.
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Post by trigger on Nov 9, 2014 17:26:29 GMT
Have we got more points away from home, 7/8 is it?
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Post by manchesterpotter on Nov 9, 2014 17:28:38 GMT
Last season we had 10 points from our first 11 league games.
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Post by 2004 on Nov 9, 2014 17:33:17 GMT
We had Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd away as well as Man City at home in that run of fixtures.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 9, 2014 17:53:00 GMT
A frustrating but great league in that you get points where you don't think you will and lose at home to villa and leics
We are doing ok
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 9, 2014 18:11:39 GMT
I prefer to use the identical fixtures measure replacing relegated teams with those closest to them from the promoted sides (QPR replace Fulham, Leicester replace Norwich and Burnley, by default, become Cardiff).
Using that measure we are 3 points better off than in the same fixtures last season and 2 goals better in terms of goal difference.
:-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 18:15:59 GMT
As long as the injuries don't hit us too hard (hopeful I realise) - we will do well from now till the end of the season.
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Post by pedro23 on Nov 9, 2014 18:25:22 GMT
We look more likely to pick up points away from home this Season, but our wobbly home form start was a concern, however I think we have stronger squad. Still avoiding injuries to our key players will be critical
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 9, 2014 18:43:46 GMT
I prefer to use the identical fixtures measure replacing relegated teams with those closest to them from the promoted sides (QPR replace Fulham, Leicester replace Norwich and Burnley, by default, become Cardiff). Using that measure we are 3 points better off than in the same fixtures last season and 2 goals better in terms of goal difference. :-) This is a good measure though some teams are weaker and others stronger compared to last season. I like the strongest team coming up being matched against the strongest going down. I agree we're plus 3 points better off. Burnley(h) a.k.a. Cardiff we got one point and nothing at 'pool, Man Utd so we will still be in credit in 3 matches time and hopefully a few more points better off. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 9, 2014 18:49:29 GMT
I prefer to use the identical fixtures measure replacing relegated teams with those closest to them from the promoted sides (QPR replace Fulham, Leicester replace Norwich and Burnley, by default, become Cardiff). Using that measure we are 3 points better off than in the same fixtures last season and 2 goals better in terms of goal difference. :-) This is a good measure though some teams are weaker and others stronger compared to last season. I like the strongest team coming up being matched against the strongest going down. I agree we're plus 3 points better off. Burnley(h) a.k.a. Cardiff we got one point and nothing at 'pool, Man Utd so we will still be in credit in 3 matches time and hopefully a few more points better off. The whole point really is that it is too early to tell anything. The time to judge a season is at the end of the season. Until then, anyone can use any measure to prove or disprove anything. I like my version because it's easy to track on a fixture by fixture basis and often helps to allay any fears that things might not be going quite as planned.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 18:54:02 GMT
I prefer to stop faffing and reflect on a decent start to the season which tells us we will be where we expected to be at the start of the season.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 9, 2014 19:00:05 GMT
I prefer to stop faffing and reflect on a decent start to the season which tells us we will be where we expected to be at the start of the season. Very true but no matter how much or how often you tell some people, they simply cannot or refuse to see the wood through the trees. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 9, 2014 19:00:35 GMT
This is a good measure though some teams are weaker and others stronger compared to last season. I like the strongest team coming up being matched against the strongest going down. I agree we're plus 3 points better off. Burnley(h) a.k.a. Cardiff we got one point and nothing at 'pool, Man Utd so we will still be in credit in 3 matches time and hopefully a few more points better off. The whole point really is that it is too early to tell anything. The time to judge a season is at the end of the season. Until then, anyone can use any measure to prove or disprove anything. I like my version because it's easy to track on a fixture by fixture basis and often helps to allay any fears that things might not be going quite as planned. You need measures of progress because at the end of a season or indeed anything else e.g. a military campaign, come the end it's too late to influence anything! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 19:01:20 GMT
How we doing from thiis year compared to 1994? Just curious lark.......
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 9, 2014 19:01:55 GMT
I like my measure of progress then. 53 points this season and 8th place! :-)
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 9, 2014 19:02:39 GMT
How we doing from thiis year compared to 1994? Just curious lark....... Now that would be a pointless comparison. We weren't even in the same league then!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 19:04:29 GMT
How we doing from thiis year compared to 1994? Just curious lark....... Now that would be a pointless comparison. We weren't even in the same league then! My point exactly mate. I never compare to previous years because they're totally irrelevant. As long as we hurry to 40 points then see where we're at Im happy with that |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 9, 2014 19:07:01 GMT
The previous season is a good yardstick as to how your team is progressing though, or it's as good a yardstick as any.
I don't even think about 40 points and the bottom 3. Even in defeat to Villa and Leicester, I knew we had far too much quality to become embroiled in the relegation scrap.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 19:11:37 GMT
I prefer to stop faffing and reflect on a decent start to the season which tells us we will be where we expected to be at the start of the season. Very true but no matter how much or how often you tell some people, they simply cannot or refuse to see the wood through the trees. Don't get me wrong it could and possibly should have been better and it's taken us longer than I hoped to get going,but I've always been confident after last season that Hughes would get it right. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 9, 2014 19:14:56 GMT
Very true but no matter how much or how often you tell some people, they simply cannot or refuse to see the wood through the trees. Don't get me wrong it could and possibly should have been better and it's taken us longer than I hoped to get going,but I've always been confident after last season that Hughes would get it right. Mark Hughes is brilliant and is doing a magnificent job. |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 9, 2014 19:30:19 GMT
We're doing fine |
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 9, 2014 21:52:13 GMT
Believe Leicester have only scored 1 goal away, the winner at Stoke. then we win at Spuds
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 10, 2014 9:04:08 GMT
Predictions like this are pretty futile with Stoke. Two seasons ago who remembers us sitting 8th on 28 points after 19 games and a Boxing Day victory over Liverpool gave us all realistic hope of a strong top ten finish and possible European Qualification. The rest is history as we staggered over the finishing line in 13th and 42 points after some dreadful hone defeats and the capitulation at home to Wigan and Villa. Conversely last season saw us on 21 points after 19 games following two heavy away defeats at Newcastle and Spurs. January didn't help the gloom with more defeats to Liverpool, Sunderland and Palace. Then we beat Man Utd and that catapulted us to a great run to finish very positively.
So there's the evidence proving trying to predict anything is pretty much impossible.
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Post by BristolMick on Nov 10, 2014 9:13:03 GMT
Predictions like this are pretty futile with Stoke. Two seasons ago who remembers us sitting 8th on 28 points after 19 games and a Boxing Day victory over Liverpool gave us all realistic hope of a strong top ten finish and possible European Qualification. The rest is history as we staggered over the finishing line in 13th and 42 points after some dreadful hone defeats and the capitulation at home to Wigan and Villa. Conversely last season saw us on 21 points after 19 games following two heavy away defeats at Newcastle and Spurs. January didn't help the gloom with more defeats to Liverpool, Sunderland and Palace. Then we beat Man Utd and that catapulted us to a great run to finish very positively. So there's the evidence proving trying to predict anything is pretty much impossible. I predict that we will at least try to win every game we play and that in itself is a joy to behold! BM |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 10, 2014 10:23:27 GMT
I wonder if the current season continues to throw up strange results and big teams dont get going then what will the points total be to get into Europe?
You would think Southampton must have half an eye on Champs League qualification - they are currently 7 points ahead of Swansea in fifth.
I think Man City will soon click into place, and Arsenal generally go on a good run for 10 or 15 games. But I dont see Man Ure getting into the top 5 unless they spend big on defence in January. Likewise I dont see Liverpool turning things around.
So imagine a top 3 of : Chelsea/ Man City/ Arsenal
After that it could well be anyone else for that 4th Champs League spot. I honestly wouldnt be surprised to find Newcastle in that place come May.
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Post by ohbottom on Nov 10, 2014 10:47:16 GMT
I wonder if the current season continues to throw up strange results and big teams dont get going then what will the points total be to get into Europe? You would think Southampton must have half an eye on Champs League qualification - they are currently 7 points ahead of Swansea in fifth. I think Man City will soon click into place, and Arsenal generally go on a good run for 10 or 15 games. But I dont see Man Ure getting into the top 5 unless they spend big on defence in January. Likewise I dont see Liverpool turning things around. So imagine a top 3 of : Chelsea/ Man City/ Arsenal After that it could well be anyone else for that 4th Champs League spot. I honestly wouldnt be surprised to find Newcastle in that place come May. Southampton play Villa next, then their next three are Man City, Arsenal & Man Utd. I guess we'll have a pretty good idea after these whether they are likely to stay the course |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 10, 2014 10:59:13 GMT
I wonder if the current season continues to throw up strange results and big teams dont get going then what will the points total be to get into Europe? You would think Southampton must have half an eye on Champs League qualification - they are currently 7 points ahead of Swansea in fifth. I think Man City will soon click into place, and Arsenal generally go on a good run for 10 or 15 games. But I dont see Man Ure getting into the top 5 unless they spend big on defence in January. Likewise I dont see Liverpool turning things around. So imagine a top 3 of : Chelsea/ Man City/ Arsenal After that it could well be anyone else for that 4th Champs League spot. I honestly wouldnt be surprised to find Newcastle in that place come May. Southampton play Villa next, then their next three are Man City, Arsenal & Man Utd. I guess we'll have a pretty good idea after these whether they are likely to stay the course Should be interesting, and on current form Southampton should go into all those games as favourites. The trick is that you lose the element of surprise. Can teams find a way to work out how to play against them? I think the have a bit of everything to offer. |
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