George Osborne.......is he lying?

[dutchstokie]

...with regards to paying back this money we owe to the EU?

Are we gonna pay it back?

How much do we really owe?

When are they gonna pay it back?

Bit of a mess if you ask me

Discuss.........

[bathstoke]

The tw@ts just been on the radio saying,"It wasn't clear that the rebate would take place in relation to the £1.7bn!"
Well aside from taking the rebate now instead of the future & in so, kicking the can of $#!t down the corridor of time to be dealt with by someone more compitant & less privileged in the future, "It wasn't clear!?!" Either he's lying or incompetent, cause if the Chanceller doesn't understand the finances, we're in $#!t street!!!

[dutchstokie]

Nov 8, 2014 9:12:43 GMT bathstoke said:

The tw@ts just been on the radio saying,"It wasn't clear that the rebate would take place in relation to the £1.7bn!"
Well aside from taking the rebate now instead of the future & in so, kicking the can of $#!t down the corridor of time to be dealt with by someone more compitant & less privileged in the future, "It wasn't clear!?!" Either he's lying or incompetent, cause if the Chanceller doesn't understand the finances, we're in $#!t street!!!

....said Jeremy Paxman

[partickpotter]

He's a politician. Answers your question?

[Gods]

I've been mugging up on this subject.

You can't argue that he has put the bill due date back. It was due to be paid on December 1st 2014 but now it will be paid in 2 installments between now and September 2015 and no interest will accrue on the bill.

As for the sum of £1.7bn owed which Mr. Osborne claims he has halved to £850m that just looks like smoke and mirrors to me.

In essence he has pretended the rebate didn't apply, he has gone to a much higher figure, he has reapplied the rebate, come back to the figure that there was all along and claimed a victory.

In truth it is just insulting to our intelligence

[Staffsoatcake]

I know he is lying, his lips moved.

[basingstokie]

Nov 8, 2014 12:57:49 GMT Gods said:

I've been mugging up on this subject.

You can't argue that he has put the bill due date back. It was due to be paid on December 1st 2014 but now it will be paid in 2 installments between now and September 2015 and no interest will accrue on the bill.

As for the sum of £1.7bn owed which Mr. Osborne claims he has halved to £850m that just looks like smoke and mirrors to me.

In essence he has pretended the rebate didn't apply, he has gone to a much higher figure, he has reapplied the rebate, come back to the figure that there was all along and claimed a victory.

In truth it is just insulting to our intelligence

Completely true. We will pay 850m and no longer receive 850m which we were expecting next year.

In other words all he has agreed is to delay payment by about 9 months, interest free. Not failure, but not exactly the 'beyond our wildest dreams success it is being lauded as by Cameron.

[Gods]

Nov 8, 2014 15:37:32 GMT basingstokie said:

Nov 8, 2014 12:57:49 GMT Gods said:

I've been mugging up on this subject.

You can't argue that he has put the bill due date back. It was due to be paid on December 1st 2014 but now it will be paid in 2 installments between now and September 2015 and no interest will accrue on the bill.

As for the sum of £1.7bn owed which Mr. Osborne claims he has halved to £850m that just looks like smoke and mirrors to me.

In essence he has pretended the rebate didn't apply, he has gone to a much higher figure, he has reapplied the rebate, come back to the figure that there was all along and claimed a victory.

In truth it is just insulting to our intelligence

Completely true. We will pay 850m and no longer receive 850m which we were expecting next year.

In other words all he has agreed is to delay payment by about 9 months, interest free. Not failure, but not exactly the 'beyond our wildest dreams success it is being lauded as by Cameron.

Correct by my understanding, this is still certainly costing us £1.7 billion, it has simply been deferred and staged.

[lawrieleslie]

£1.7b or £850m I don't care how much it is....it's too much. Why should the UK tax payer subsidise the failing economies on the continent? How many people would have accepted entry to the original Common Market if membership included subsidising other members in the event of struggling or failed economies. As Napolean said we are a nation of shopkeepers. In other words, like it or not, we are a capitalist economy whereas many EU countries, including some of the big hitters, are socialist and never the twain shall meet.

[Billybigbollox]

They lie for a fucking living. Politicians in the main are self serving cunts.

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Nov 9, 2014 7:37:54 GMT lawrieleslie said:

£1.7b or £850m I don't care how much it is....it's too much. Why should the UK tax payer subsidise the failing economies on the continent? How many people would have accepted entry to the original Common Market if membership included subsidising other members in the event of struggling or failed economies. As Napolean said we are a nation of shopkeepers. In other words, like it or not, we are a capitalist economy whereas many EU countries, including some of the big hitters, are socialist and never the twain shall meet.

Who knows, but probably a significant percentage of people who believe in the re-distribution of wealth and another sizeable percentage who don't have an "I'm all right, fuck every one else" attitude. But that was 40 years ago and, in this country, we have now experienced a generation of Thatcherism and the neoliberal free market consensus across the political spectrum and watched the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, so nowadays your comment is probably more relevant. Sadly, I suspect a lot of people in today's UK would agree with you.

Probably also worth noting that it is precisely these post WW2 links between countries that have helped to engender peace in Europe between the major powers for the longest unbroken spell in history and, conversely, the punitive "We're all right, fuck you" approach which contributed enormously to the second world war.

And one last thing, it's precisely the same approach which already exists throught our own country, where poorer sections of it receive proportionately more central government funding to help them develop.

[jonah77]

Nov 9, 2014 10:04:25 GMT @sifuluke said:

Nov 9, 2014 7:37:54 GMT lawrieleslie said:

£1.7b or £850m I don't care how much it is....it's too much. Why should the UK tax payer subsidise the failing economies on the continent? How many people would have accepted entry to the original Common Market if membership included subsidising other members in the event of struggling or failed economies. As Napolean said we are a nation of shopkeepers. In other words, like it or not, we are a capitalist economy whereas many EU countries, including some of the big hitters, are socialist and never the twain shall meet.

Who knows, but probably a significant percentage of people who believe in the re-distribution of wealth and another sizeable percentage who don't have an "I'm all right, fuck every one else" attitude. But that was 40 years ago and, in this country, we have now experienced a generation of Thatcherism and the neoliberal free market consensus across the political spectrum and watched the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, so nowadays your comment is probably more relevant. Sadly, I suspect a lot of people in today's UK would agree with you.

Probably also worth noting that it is precisely these post WW2 links between countries that have helped to engender peace in Europe between the major powers for the longest unbroken spell in history and, conversely, the punitive "We're all right, fuck you" approach which contributed enormously to the second world war.

And one last thing, it's precisely the same approach which already exists throught our own country, where poorer sections of it receive proportionately more central government funding to help them develop.

i think MAD was more effective than European co operation in avoiding another world war.