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Post by redstriper on Nov 7, 2014 11:01:20 GMT
Woy has now stated that Harry Kane is near a call up.
He has only been picked to start in the prem four times this year season. Play half a dozen matches for a top team, and your a cert to get a mention.
Soon it'll be down to one sub appearance for Southampton or Manure.
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Post by sportsman on Nov 7, 2014 11:43:13 GMT
They say ryan's was the worst England debut? Yeh like fabian stealth was awesome wasn't he? Should have been sent off twice in his first half!
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Post by nantwichstokie on Nov 7, 2014 11:59:34 GMT
Fucking ell. Shawcross got turned by Zlatan for one fucking goal. What defender has never had their arse handed to them after being done by a clever turn, trick, shot etc...??? Zlatans over head kick was unreal. How do you defend that?
Put bluntly the continued non inclusion of Ryan is a load of shite. The worst thing is I know that Ryan is more pissed off by his exclusion than perhaps he lets on. I worry that in the end this will lead to Ryan going elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 12:17:37 GMT
Fucking ell. Shawcross got turned by Zlatan for one fucking goal. What defender has never had their arse handed to them after being done by a clever turn, trick, shot etc...??? Zlatans over head kick was unreal. How do you defend that? Put bluntly the continued non inclusion of Ryan is a load of shite. The worst thing is I know that Ryan is more pissed off by his exclusion than perhaps he lets on. I worry that in the end this will lead to Ryan going elsewhere. I disagree if he left he would still be Ryan and would not all of a sudden turn into Franz Beckenbauer and change , for me he has changed from a hoofer to playing more from the back for some reason Hodgson does not rate him and who he plays makes no difference imo.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 7, 2014 12:18:50 GMT
If by some good fortune Stoke became the richest club in the world, then purchased the best 25 English players, Woy wanker would have a fucking seizure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 12:20:37 GMT
If by some good fortune Stoke became the richest club in the world, then purchased the best 25 English players, Woy wanker would have a fucking seizure. Oh just thinking of this made me smile
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Post by nantwichstokie on Nov 7, 2014 12:26:38 GMT
Fucking ell. Shawcross got turned by Zlatan for one fucking goal. What defender has never had their arse handed to them after being done by a clever turn, trick, shot etc...??? Zlatans over head kick was unreal. How do you defend that? Put bluntly the continued non inclusion of Ryan is a load of shite. The worst thing is I know that Ryan is more pissed off by his exclusion than perhaps he lets on. I worry that in the end this will lead to Ryan going elsewhere. I disagree if he left he would still be Ryan and would not all of a sudden turn into Franz Beckenbauer and change , for me he has changed from a hoofer to playing more from the back for some reason Hodgson does not rate him and who he plays makes no difference imo. I understand what you're saying but that's not my point. My point is Ryan might see leaving Stoke as his only other chance to have a go for England regardless of Woys opinion. I think that those close to Ryan perhaps see his association with Stoke as 'part' of the problem where England is concerned. If Ryan left, went to Man Ure, Everton and excelled for them as he does for us the old image of Ryan would soon be washed away I'm sure. If Woy had any fucking sense he would of seen the remarkable progress Ryan has made. Year on, year out he gets better and better. The sign of quality and quality of application is continuous improvement. To my mind Ryan is twice the player he was 2 seasons ago let alone when we came back into the Prem. If he does have his head turned by an Everton then one of the reasons will of been England and that fucking tit Woy not recognising that Ryan should be a regular in the England squad by now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 12:32:44 GMT
I disagree if he left he would still be Ryan and would not all of a sudden turn into Franz Beckenbauer and change , for me he has changed from a hoofer to playing more from the back for some reason Hodgson does not rate him and who he plays makes no difference imo. I understand what you're saying but that's not my point. My point is Ryan might see leaving Stoke as his only other chance to have a go for England regardless of Woys opinion. I think that those close to Ryan perhaps see his association with Stoke as 'part' of the problem where England is concerned. If Ryan left, went to Man Ure, Everton and excelled for them as he does for us the old image of Ryan would soon be washed away I'm sure. If Woy had any fucking sense he would of seen the remarkable progress Ryan has made. Year on, year out he gets better and better. The sign of quality and quality of application is continuous improvement. To my mind Ryan is twice the player he was 2 seasons ago let alone when we came back into the Prem. If he does have his head turned by an Everton then one of the reasons will of been England and that fucking tit Woy not recognising that Ryan should be a regular in the England squad by now. Fair comment, I do believe that it would need a change of manager before he gets a chance. He's just not rated by the current fuckwit and could play for Real Madrid and still not get a game. I also think Ryan knows this and would hope he knows that it's not the club but the stroker in charge of our national squad.
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Post by nantwichstokie on Nov 7, 2014 12:37:45 GMT
I understand what you're saying but that's not my point. My point is Ryan might see leaving Stoke as his only other chance to have a go for England regardless of Woys opinion. I think that those close to Ryan perhaps see his association with Stoke as 'part' of the problem where England is concerned. If Ryan left, went to Man Ure, Everton and excelled for them as he does for us the old image of Ryan would soon be washed away I'm sure. If Woy had any fucking sense he would of seen the remarkable progress Ryan has made. Year on, year out he gets better and better. The sign of quality and quality of application is continuous improvement. To my mind Ryan is twice the player he was 2 seasons ago let alone when we came back into the Prem. If he does have his head turned by an Everton then one of the reasons will of been England and that fucking tit Woy not recognising that Ryan should be a regular in the England squad by now. Fair comment, I do believe that it would need a change of manager before he gets a chance. He's just not rated by the current fuckwit and could play for Real Madrid and still not get a game. I also think Ryan knows this and would hope he knows that it's not the club but the stroker in charge of our national squad. Its a real shame. I know his debut didn't go as planned but I was proud as punch a Stoke City player was representing England. Especially with it been Ryan who had been with us for a while and grown with the Club. It was something I wasn't convinced I'd see for a long, long time! The flip side to any argument regarding Shawcross for England could be that if he'd gone on, played well, owned Zlatan and became an England regular thereafter, would he still be here now!?!
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Post by Bowyer83 on Nov 7, 2014 12:42:17 GMT
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Post by doitforus on Nov 7, 2014 17:50:53 GMT
I don't get people talking about his mare of an England debut like it was yesterday and not two years ago. Shawcross has improved immensely over the last two years and deserves another chance. The attitude of some people is if you make a mistake no matter how long ago is was you will never live it down. I sincerely hope they never make a mistake in their place of work because if they do they will be buggared for life :-(
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 19:13:21 GMT
I don't get people talking about his mare of an England debut like it was yesterday and not two years ago. Shawcross has improved immensely over the last two years and deserves another chance. The attitude of some people is if you make a mistake no matter how long ago is was you will never live it down. I sincerely hope they never make a mistake in their place of work because if they do they will be buggared for life :-( He got caught cold against a player in great form. Just so happened to be a couple of minutes into his debut and it's happened to every centre back at some point during their career. People have then fabricated a story whereby he was personally responsible for the other 2 goals and had a nightmare when actually it wasn't the case, the 3rd and 4th goals were a 25 yard free kick and the goal of the century from Ibrahimovic. But then people are stupid....
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