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Post by skemstokie on Oct 31, 2014 13:15:17 GMT
Why do the majority of Stoke fans after a defeat have to single out and vilify at least one player,surely after a defeat we should backing be ALL the players and management as the word supporter suggest`s,every-one makes mistakes and regrets actions taken but football is high profile and the players are under tremendous scrutiny from media,opposition fans etc without their own supporters joining in. rant over off to work
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Post by wembley4372 on Oct 31, 2014 13:26:51 GMT
And should all sit there and clap politely when the game finishes.
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Post by block27row27 on Oct 31, 2014 13:29:28 GMT
Bloody culture, coming over here and taking our optimism
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Post by rawli on Oct 31, 2014 13:29:39 GMT
Why do the majority of Stoke fans after a defeat have to single out and vilify at least one player,surely after a defeat we should backing be ALL the players and management as the word supporter suggest`s,every-one makes mistakes and regrets actions taken but football is high profile and the players are under tremendous scrutiny from media,opposition fans etc without their own supporters joining in. rant over off to work I think the fact that the players and managers are all millionaires doesn't really help them if they don't perform.
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Post by lowlands on Oct 31, 2014 13:35:34 GMT
I do not believe any player at Stoke has put on the shirt with the intention of playing crap or could not be bothered. They are human and anyone who has played any sport knows there are times when you just cannot perform. It can be various reasons and it could be the opposing player is simply better than you.
When some fans booed Stoke off the pitch at half time against Southampton, my first thought was, yeah ok we didn't perform, I am sure the manager will sort this out, what the players needed at that point was us to shout out loud GO ON STOKE.
Being millionaires is really a pounchy excuse to turn on a player who has tried but just didn't have it together. So Alan Sugar has never had a bad day at work or made a piss poor decision because he is a Billionaire, what a crock of shit
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Post by rawli on Oct 31, 2014 13:51:18 GMT
I do not believe any player at Stoke has put on the shirt with the intention of playing crap or could not be bothered. They are human and anyone who has played any sport knows there are times when you just cannot perform. It can be various reasons and it could be the opposing player is simply better than you. When some fans booed Stoke off the pitch at half time against Southampton, my first thought was, yeah ok we didn't perform, I am sure the manager will sort this out, what the players needed at that point was us to shout out loud GO ON STOKE. Being millionaires is really a pounchy excuse to turn on a player who has tried but just didn't have it together. So Alan Sugar has never had a bad day at work or made a piss poor decision because he is a Billionaire, what a crock of shit And I'd turn on Alan Sugar if I'd paid him to do a service and he didn't deliver. It's not the only reason - players have received stick no matter what they earned as long as the game's been played. However, as I said, it doesn't exactly help when they earn more in a week than most people who've just stumped up hard earned cash will earn in a year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 14:07:02 GMT
Why do the majority of Stoke fans after a defeat have to single out and vilify at least one player,surely after a defeat we should backing be ALL the players and management as the word supporter suggest`s,every-one makes mistakes and regrets actions taken but football is high profile and the players are under tremendous scrutiny from media,opposition fans etc without their own supporters joining in. rant over off to work I think the fact that the players and managers are all millionaires doesn't really help them if they don't perform. agreed!!! if a factory worker getting paid £1,000 a month fucks up and lets the team down then they get a bollocking from their boss and everyone it effects so if you're getting over £100k a month then you deserve all you get if you don't perform. they're paid what they are because they are expected to perform to a minimum standard in a spectator sport..if they don't then why the hell shouldn't those spectators criticise them for not doing what they're bloody well paid to do????? i'd get it at work, you would, we all would so why are they any different??? if they can't take it then you have to worry about what exactly they thought they were getting themselves into..pretty sure most of them were fans as boys themselves so they know full well the kind of treatment they'll get on the pitch good or bad. for the wages they get they can bloody well deal with it, if they can't then they can get a new job!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 31, 2014 14:43:07 GMT
If I performed badly at work on any given day, I'd expect my boss to tell me so and would have no complaints with that. However, if it was one poor decision and I could refer back to a whole lot of good performances prior to that, I'd expect (and no doubt receive) some leniency.
Fans, however, are a different matter and are simply a law unto themselves. They pay to watch a football match and I have to accept that they are entitled to make their feelings known (however unreasonable their feeling might be). I have found myself asking the same question on many occasions at half time in matches at home over the years..."Just what have they done that deserves their own fans to boo them?" There have been times when simply not being in front has warranted a half time chorus of boos and, frankly, I find that pathetic. The team will be outstanding at times, mediocre for the most part and downright awful on occasions but they'd have to be pretty diabolical/disgraceful for me to want to boo them off the pitch. It's a sport and they can't be the best team all the time. They are bound to have 'off days' or encounter a team that is quite simply, on the day, better than them...it's the very nature of sport.
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Post by rawli on Oct 31, 2014 14:57:34 GMT
It would be funny being sat at work trying to do your job if you had 20 thousand people watching every move you made and singing songs about your wife taking it up the arse. Or calling you a wanker if you forgot to put sugar in someones tea.
But I'd cope if I was getting a million quid a year.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 31, 2014 15:03:03 GMT
It would be funny being sat at work trying to do your job if you had 20 thousand people watching every move you made and singing songs about your wife taking it up the arse. Or calling you a wanker if you forgot to put sugar in someones tea. But I'd cope if I was getting a million quid a year. Yeh, I've said similar myself in the past mate. Football does live in it's own little world at times and I might struggle with 20,000 chanting 'sacked in the morning' at me. Still, it is what it is and, as you say, I can't feel too sorry for those earning vast fortunes. Mind you, that's at the top level. Lots of them earn a fraction of that and still get the same abuse.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 31, 2014 15:07:27 GMT
It would be funny being sat at work trying to do your job if you had 20 thousand people watching every move you made and singing songs about your wife taking it up the arse. Or calling you a wanker if you forgot to put sugar in someones tea. But I'd cope if I was getting a million quid a year. Yeh, I've said similar myself in the past mate. Football does live in it's own little world at times and I might struggle with 20,000 chanting 'sacked in the morning' at me. Still, it is what it is and, as you say, I can't feel too sorry for those earning vast fortunes. Mind you, that's at the top level. Lots of them earn a fraction of that and still get the same abuse. Having 20,000 stokes singing, "You're getting sacked in the morning" at Alan Pardew, hasn't done much harm, has it?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 31, 2014 15:18:03 GMT
Yeh, I've said similar myself in the past mate. Football does live in it's own little world at times and I might struggle with 20,000 chanting 'sacked in the morning' at me. Still, it is what it is and, as you say, I can't feel too sorry for those earning vast fortunes. Mind you, that's at the top level. Lots of them earn a fraction of that and still get the same abuse. Having 20,000 stokes singing, "You're getting sacked in the morning" at Alan Pardew, hasn't done much harm, has it? Indeed nic but the point being made is that you wouldn't have to put up with it in any other walk of life. In fact it would be completely unacceptable. Only in football can complete strangers turn up and abuse whoever they like and get away with it whilst those being abused have to 'put up with it' because they earn a lot of money. It they dare to react/turn on their critics they can look forward to FA sanctions. I'm not stupid and I accept that football has been that way for a very long time but, whichever way you look at it, we all KNOW that it's basically wrong.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 31, 2014 15:24:07 GMT
Having 20,000 stokes singing, "You're getting sacked in the morning" at Alan Pardew, hasn't done much harm, has it? Indeed nic but the point being made is that you wouldn't have to put up with it in any other walk of life. In fact it would be completely unacceptable. Only in football can complete strangers turn up and abuse whoever they like and get away with it whilst those being abused have to 'put up with it' because they earn a lot of money. It they dare to react/turn on their critics they can look forward to FA sanctions. I'm not stupid and I accept that football has been that way for a very long time but, whichever way you look at it, we all KNOW that it's basically wrong. The difference is if you're a talented footballer and getting abuse for making mistakes you won't walk through the office door, factory gate, warehouse entrance etc. as you would like the bloody rest of us!
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Post by adamsson on Oct 31, 2014 15:24:41 GMT
It would be funny being sat at work trying to do your job if you had 20 thousand people watching every move you made and singing songs about your wife taking it up the arse. Or calling you a wanker if you forgot to put sugar in someones tea. But I'd cope if I was getting a million quid a year. Yeh, I've said similar myself in the past mate. Football does live in it's own little world at times and I might struggle with 20,000 chanting 'sacked in the morning' at me. Still, it is what it is and, as you say, I can't feel too sorry for those earning vast fortunes. Mind you, that's at the top level. Lots of them earn a fraction of that and still get the same abuse. I'm not sure that being paid more makes you work any harder and if they would care to double wages I could prove this theory
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 31, 2014 15:30:28 GMT
We need to make a concerted effort to find who is at fault for this blame culture.
(it's Dave Kitson)
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 31, 2014 15:31:13 GMT
Indeed nic but the point being made is that you wouldn't have to put up with it in any other walk of life. In fact it would be completely unacceptable. Only in football can complete strangers turn up and abuse whoever they like and get away with it whilst those being abused have to 'put up with it' because they earn a lot of money. It they dare to react/turn on their critics they can look forward to FA sanctions. I'm not stupid and I accept that football has been that way for a very long time but, whichever way you look at it, we all KNOW that it's basically wrong. The difference is if you're a talented footballer and getting abuse for making mistakes you won't walk through the office door, factory gate, warehouse entrance etc. as you would like the bloody rest of us! Like I intimated earlier nic... There are footballers in the lower reaches earning the same (or less) than many on here. They still get the abuse that you and I are protected from. Besides, talented footballers that don't perform tend not to last too long at the higher levels (whilst allowing for personal opinions on a few exceptions )
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 31, 2014 15:32:38 GMT
We need to make a concerted effort to find who is at fault for this blame cult (it's Dave Kitson)You mean we need someone to blame?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 31, 2014 15:34:15 GMT
Yeh, I've said similar myself in the past mate. Football does live in it's own little world at times and I might struggle with 20,000 chanting 'sacked in the morning' at me. Still, it is what it is and, as you say, I can't feel too sorry for those earning vast fortunes. Mind you, that's at the top level. Lots of them earn a fraction of that and still get the same abuse. I'm not sure that being paid more makes you work any harder and if they would care to double wages I could prove this theory Too true mate. If they doubled my wages I'd have a lot more going for me outside of work and possible do LESS at work.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 31, 2014 15:38:22 GMT
The difference is if you're a talented footballer and getting abuse for making mistakes you won't walk through the office door, factory gate, warehouse entrance etc. as you would like the bloody rest of us! Like I intimated earlier nic... There are footballers in the lower reaches earning the same (or less) than many on here. They still get the abuse that you and I are protected from. Besides, talented footballers that don't perform tend not to last too long at the higher levels (whilst allowing for personal opinions on a few exceptions ) Actually you are wrong! I got pushed out of my job 15 years ago and my solicitor got my personnel file as part of 'The Tribunal' case. I was able to read in full all the behind scenes shenanigans that had been going on. The difference is, I wasn't still in a job! Don't expect me to feel sorry for a bunch of lads chasing a leather bag of air!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 31, 2014 15:46:21 GMT
Like I intimated earlier nic... There are footballers in the lower reaches earning the same (or less) than many on here. They still get the abuse that you and I are protected from. Besides, talented footballers that don't perform tend not to last too long at the higher levels (whilst allowing for personal opinions on a few exceptions ) Actually you are wrong! I got pushed out of my job 15 years ago and my solicitor got my personnel file as part of 'The Tribunal' case. I was able to read in full all the behind scenes shenanigans that had been going on. The difference is, I wasn't still in a job! Don't expect me to feel sorry for a bunch of lads chasing a leather bag of air! Not sure what you think I'm wrong about nic to be honest mate. Genuinely sorry that you weren't treated correctly. I can empathize because I fell foul of 'The Military' and ended up serving my notice rather than do battle with the wankers for another 8 years. Not asking you to feel sorry for footballers mate, just asking you to accept that they are entitled to the same rights as the rest of us and that shouldn't be affected by the fact that they earn good money (some of them). In truth, I think far too many of them are spoilt prima-donnas that have never done a decent days work in their lives but that doesn't alter my earlier comments.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 31, 2014 15:50:18 GMT
Actually you are wrong! I got pushed out of my job 15 years ago and my solicitor got my personnel file as part of 'The Tribunal' case. I was able to read in full all the behind scenes shenanigans that had been going on. The difference is, I wasn't still in a job! Don't expect me to feel sorry for a bunch of lads chasing a leather bag of air! Not sure what you think I'm wrong about nic to be honest mate. Genuinely sorry that you weren't treated correctly. I can empathize because I fell foul of 'The Military' and ended up serving my notice rather than do battle with the wankers for another 8 years. Not asking you to feel sorry for footballer mate, just asking you to accept that they are entitled to the same rights as the rest of us and that shouldn't be affected by the fact that they earn good money (some of them). "dozintheseventies', were you military or a civvy? I was a civvy. Either way, they're a nasty lot to fall out with because they have all the avenues of appeal wrapped up! And people tell me, I live in a democracy?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 31, 2014 16:06:49 GMT
Not sure what you think I'm wrong about nic to be honest mate. Genuinely sorry that you weren't treated correctly. I can empathize because I fell foul of 'The Military' and ended up serving my notice rather than do battle with the wankers for another 8 years. Not asking you to feel sorry for footballer mate, just asking you to accept that they are entitled to the same rights as the rest of us and that shouldn't be affected by the fact that they earn good money (some of them). "dozintheseventies', were you military or a civvy? I was a civvy. Either way, they're a nasty lot to fall out with because they have all the avenues of appeal wrapped up! And people tell me, I live in a democracy? Military mate and you're sooooooooooooo right. I'd 'flown through' the ranks and had some pretty high powered supporters who thought I'd done an excellent job for them. Trouble is, you only have to 'bump into' one complete tosspot and everything is out the window. Didn't help that I told him he was a complete tosspot of course In the end I decided that I'd keep control of my own destiny and handed my notice in rather than stay within a system that it's impossible to do battle with, even if you are 100% right. Believe me mate, I know exactly where you're coming from.
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Post by jackcity on Oct 31, 2014 20:33:07 GMT
I have been a Stoke supporter all my life love every thing about my team when they don't win or don't perform well I'm disappointed but I could never boo or come on here to personally abuse any player football is a team game and goals and lack of them come from several mistakes by several players but one thing I have noticed it's always the same players getting abuse and there are a few no matter how badly they preform are never criticised
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2014 20:36:09 GMT
Load of bollocks.
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 31, 2014 22:59:50 GMT
Always have done mate. Stokies weren't happy with Lee Chapman. The rest was history
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