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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Oct 29, 2014 22:49:07 GMT
imo especially after the same happened last Saturday.He got the system totally wrong and should have gone 2 up front from the outset and not wait until we are 2 down.What is wrong with our team in 1st halfs of games at the moment?We were outpassed,outfought and outdone in the manager stakes again by Koeman in the 1st half. He gets them in at half time and suddenly we look a different side altogether WHY? Very proud of the 2nd half performance though and when Diouf equalised there was was only one winner but FFS Sparky lets have it from the off
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2014 22:50:55 GMT
All but Walters didn't give a shit, Hughes can't do much about that.
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2014 22:51:36 GMT
It's not just the line up,side is flat at the start of every game.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 29, 2014 22:53:29 GMT
All but Walters didn't give a shit, Hughes can't do much about that. Course he can. They are his players and therefore his responsibility. Pulis for all his flaws never had any trouble in getting his players to give a shit. It comes down to manager motivation.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Oct 29, 2014 22:53:50 GMT
It's not just the line up,side is flat at the start of every game. Exactly but WHY?when was the last time we played well in the 1st half of a game?
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 29, 2014 22:54:38 GMT
Maybe his approach to matches is the same as his approach to the season as a whole, start slow and finish strongly. Whatever the reason it makes you wonder what the fuck they do to prepare for games.
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 29, 2014 22:54:45 GMT
Didn't think there was a great deal wrong with how we set up. It looked a good positive attacking line up to me.
We we undone by two very good goals, apart from that I don't think there was much between the two sides. I don't buy this "don't give a toss" theory that gets thrown about when things don't go to plan.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2014 22:56:36 GMT
All but Walters didn't give a shit, Hughes can't do much about that. Course he can. They are his players and therefore his responsibility. Pulis for all his flaws never had any trouble in getting his players to give a shit. It comes down to manager motivation. There was plenty of games under Pulis where it took a kick up the arse at half time or to be one down for them to look like they cared.
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Post by wuzza on Oct 29, 2014 22:57:53 GMT
Constant changing of the team must play a part in this - and to a degree this hasnt been totally Hughes' fault. He has to settle on some format soon though or this season is going to be half gone before we know it and we will be in a very dark place.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 29, 2014 23:08:31 GMT
We were utter dog shit again tonight with a slight improvement in the 2nd half. We stood and watched them put together about 15 passes and not one tackle went in. We are playing tippy tappy shit and not very well. We are gutless and lack any sort of togetherness. We were shit tonight and we have been for 90% of the season so far. All that is down to one bloke, hughes! I am not going to slag him off but I would be more than happy to see him gone tomorrow. Wank Stoke, utter wank!
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Oct 30, 2014 6:51:51 GMT
Constant changing of the team must play a part in this - and to a degree this hasnt been totally Hughes' fault. He has to settle on some format soon though or this season is going to be half gone before we know it and we will be in a very dark place. The problem is mate the manager doesn't know his best team imo at this moment in time
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Post by 2004 on Oct 30, 2014 7:59:22 GMT
He needs to send them out ready on Saturday. We can't keep losing games in the first half.
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Post by jeycov on Oct 30, 2014 8:09:33 GMT
He's managed to overlook Sidwell, so far so isn't afraid of upsetting anyone. We are out of this Cup now, although we haven't fielded significantly weakened sides,we have mixed up personnel in this competition. Select the best 11, get them working as a team - some are playing as if its' a trial and are looking to impress as individuals imo. Now until Christmas Hughes and co need to get the players to l.
be on the same wavelength and play to their potential
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 30, 2014 8:41:12 GMT
I do think Hughes focuses too much on tactics and not enough motivation before a game. I think that is fine if you are technically better than the opposition in charge of a team like Man City or Barcelona.
But for a team like us we need to focus more on hard-work and attitude just as much as tactics.
I also think Shawcross should me more vocal as a captain. I would honestly prefer to see Adam as captain because he tends to get the team going forward and hes not afraid of a good shout to his team-mates
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 30, 2014 8:56:59 GMT
It's highly unlikely in the PL today that you will dominate a game in both halves, as Stoke came to the brink of winning with their second half performance it baffles me why people are so critical.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 8:59:43 GMT
It's highly unlikely in the PL today that you will dominate a game in both halves, as Stoke came to the brink of winning with their second half performance it baffles me why people are so critical.
It's because life was so much better under the previous manager...
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 30, 2014 9:04:19 GMT
Don't think they say it because of that Pugs, it's possibly that many thought we would win this trophy and the natural disappointment then clouds everyone's judgement.
We played an in form team and ran them very close.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 9:05:06 GMT
Don't think they say it because of that Pugs, it's possibly that many thought we would win this trophy and the natural disappointment then clouds everyone's judgement. We played an in form team and ran them very close.
Believe what you want, it's always the same people.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 12:04:35 GMT
You can't seriously believe that Hughes is to blame for the players not being up for it. I've played football all my life, and I lost on Sunday to a team that I was going to play a week later (Which has happened due to cup etc) then I would be seriously fired up for the next game as I hate losing and I DO hold grudges.
We're getting into this nasty habit of trying to shoe horn the blame from certain individuals onto others. Yes, Hughes didn't set the team up right, a mistake after Saturday, but to say he's to blame for their half arsed attitude? Give me a break.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 30, 2014 12:06:10 GMT
Yes because this shit is so much better than the previous shit isn't it? Af least we looked like a team back then and not a bunch of individuals and we had some fight and passion as well.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Oct 30, 2014 20:40:08 GMT
Don't think they say it because of that Pugs, it's possibly that many thought we would win this trophy and the natural disappointment then clouds everyone's judgement. We played an in form team and ran them very close.
Believe what you want, it's always the same people.
Utter bollocks mate and you know it Pugs.People are rightly concerned after the start we've made considering the teams we've played so far but all you can do along with a few others is talk about the previous manager 18 months later,one word mate PATHETIC.
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Post by MrMagic on Oct 30, 2014 20:58:23 GMT
Yes because this shit is so much better than the previous shit isn't it? Af least we looked like a team back then and not a bunch of individuals and we had some fight and passion as well. This is the bit that I honestly don't get Stafford. If we are back in the game of comparing regimes, when people like myself were complaining about the previous "style" of football and how effective it was, the general response was that it's a results game, and that style and performance was irrelevant. Well if it's a results game, then with 11 points after 9 games we are well on track to our usual target of 40 points. How come style has suddenly become more important than results? It's a massive shift in how some folk evaluate our performances.
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Post by werrington on Oct 30, 2014 21:03:21 GMT
Believe what you want, it's always the same people.
Utter bollocks mate and you know it Pugs.People are rightly concerned after the start we've made considering the teams we've played so far but all you can do along with a few others is talk about the previous manager 18 months later,one word mate PATHETIC. Mr Magics reply to Stafford above tells you why his name is always relevant to certain topics when certain posters get involved in them mate All of a sudden they are starting to see things differently to something they steadfastly defended Back on track though .....we were saying at ht last night how the team looks like it's just met each other for the first time on a few occasions this season but the second half was like watching a different team
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Post by tazi on Oct 30, 2014 21:12:42 GMT
Utter bollocks mate and you know it Pugs.People are rightly concerned after the start we've made considering the teams we've played so far but all you can do along with a few others is talk about the previous manager 18 months later,one word mate PATHETIC. Mr Magics reply to Stafford above tells you why his name is always relevant to certain topics when certain posters get involved in them mate All of a sudden they are starting to see things differently to something they steadfastly defended Back on track though .....we were saying at ht last night how the team looks like it's just met each other for the first time on a few occasions this season but the second half was like watching a different team You'll be told next that you've been defending Pulis for 10 years though I don't quite know why considering that for the last 8 and a half of them were pretty good to say the least.
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Post by werrington on Oct 30, 2014 21:15:27 GMT
Mr Magics reply to Stafford above tells you why his name is always relevant to certain topics when certain posters get involved in them mate All of a sudden they are starting to see things differently to something they steadfastly defended Back on track though .....we were saying at ht last night how the team looks like it's just met each other for the first time on a few occasions this season but the second half was like watching a different team You'll be told next that you've been defending Pulis for 10 years though I don't quite know why considering that for the last 8 and a half of them were pretty good to say the least. Opinions eh
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Oct 30, 2014 21:16:53 GMT
Utter bollocks mate and you know it Pugs.People are rightly concerned after the start we've made considering the teams we've played so far but all you can do along with a few others is talk about the previous manager 18 months later,one word mate PATHETIC. Mr Magics reply to Stafford above tells you why his name is always relevant to certain topics when certain posters get involved in them mate All of a sudden they are starting to see things differently to something they steadfastly defended Back on track though .....we were saying at ht last night how the team looks like it's just met each other for the first time on a few occasions this season but the second half was like watching a different team Thats a fair point from MrMagic wezza but my concern is the teams we've played and the points we've collected are surely below what the management team would have expected?With alot of hard games coming up we have got to start playing for 90 minutes and not 45 or else our situation will become increasingly worrying. Your absolutely spot on as well about the team looking like they'd met for the 1st time and for me its something Sparky has got to sort out quickly.
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Post by tazi on Oct 30, 2014 21:18:27 GMT
You'll be told next that you've been defending Pulis for 10 years though I don't quite know why considering that for the last 8 and a half of them were pretty good to say the least. Opinions eh I still can't fathom out why I was told that I've been defending Pulis for 10 years. Why would either myself or anyone need to defend a manager that's been a bloody good manager for eight and a half years of them?.
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Post by tazi on Oct 30, 2014 21:20:41 GMT
Hughes out wezzer which if west ham turn us over on Saturday will no doubt see the natives becoming restless.
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Post by MrMagic on Oct 30, 2014 21:44:38 GMT
Hughes out wezzer which if west ham turn us over on Saturday will no doubt see the natives becoming restless. I know I'm stupid to ask this but, if pulls was a bloody good manager for 8 1/2 years and Hughes is out performing him results wise, why would any reasonable supporter want Hughes out? Makes little sense
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 30, 2014 21:50:34 GMT
Yes because this shit is so much better than the previous shit isn't it? Af least we looked like a team back then and not a bunch of individuals and we had some fight and passion as well. This is the bit that I honestly don't get Stafford. If we are back in the game of comparing regimes, when people like myself were complaining about the previous "style" of football and how effective it was, the general response was that it's a results game, and that style and performance was irrelevant. Well if it's a results game, then with 11 points after 9 games we are well on track to our usual target of 40 points. How come style has suddenly become more important than results? It's a massive shift in how some folk evaluate our performances. The difference is I enjoyed the in your face footie that we had under Pulis. Yes it wasn't that easy on the eye but at least it had the crowd behind it a lot of the time. The new style of footie maybe would be ok if we were not so negative. We may have 80% possession in some games but most of it is in our own half and left/right/back passing. It is shit to watch and easy for the oppo to defend against. More importantly the fans don't buy into as in get involved. If he doesn't change it he can pissoff for me.
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