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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 19:36:39 GMT
Why aren't I reading all about our diving winger winning another penalty?
He was clearly fouled in the penalty area in today's game yet didn't go down,result-no penalty.
It's got to come down to the refs to start giving pens when people are fouled in the area without going down.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 25, 2014 19:39:20 GMT
Why aren't I reading all about our diving winger winning another penalty? He was clearly fouled in the penalty area in today's game yet didn't go down,result-no penalty. It's got to come down to the refs to start giving pens when people are fouled in the area without going down. Yep, a clear grab on the shoulder. You should have gone down Victor you soft sod. Fucked by the media again. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 19:42:47 GMT
Exactly what I was saying after the Swansea game. It's a culture that has been bred by weak referees looking for the easy option and the media. If you don't go down you rarely if ever get a free kick.
Forget retrospective action against divers. How about we referee games properly in the first place?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 19:46:19 GMT
Why aren't I reading all about our diving winger winning another penalty? He was clearly fouled in the penalty area in today's game yet didn't go down,result-no penalty. It's got to come down to the refs to start giving pens when people are fouled in the area without going down. Yep, a clear grab on the shoulder. You should have gone down Victor you soft sod. Fucked by the media again. The media have been against us ever since our promotion.Pulis used it to our advantage.Today was the first time I thought it ever affected us. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 19:50:58 GMT
Yep, a clear grab on the shoulder. You should have gone down Victor you soft sod. Fucked by the media again. The media have been against us ever since our promotion.Pulis used it to our advantage.Today was the first time I thought it ever affected us. Pulis is/was the reason why the footballing world still treat us with such disdain. |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 19:53:18 GMT
The media have been against us ever since our promotion.Pulis used it to our advantage.Today was the first time I thought it ever affected us. Pulis is/was the reason why the footballing world still treat us with such disdain. With respect that's just not true.Moses didn't go down today for an obvious pen because of the nonsense spouted this week. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 25, 2014 19:53:18 GMT
Easy guide for referees:
1) If a player is fouled in the box, give a penalty.
2) If a player goes down in the box with contact that is not enough for them to go down even if it is a foul, that player gets a yellow card and no penalty.
Problem solved all round.
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Post by no1972 on Oct 25, 2014 19:55:55 GMT
Modern day footballers only have themselves to blame they all try and get every decision even if they no they are wrong.We all blame the refs its about time the PFA sanction the players especially if there actions cause another player to be wrongly banned .They are all in the same union so why cheat on your fellow worker.Maybe I come from a workforce and period of we should respect each other.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 19:58:55 GMT
Easy guide for referees: 1) If a player is fouled in the box, give a penalty. 2) If a player goes down in the box with contact that is not enough for them to go down even if it is a foul, that player gets a yellow card and no penalty. Problem solved all round. Not sure I agree with no. 2. |
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Post by no1972 on Oct 25, 2014 20:00:03 GMT
The media have been against us ever since our promotion.Pulis used it to our advantage.Today was the first time I thought it ever affected us. Pulis is/was the reason why the footballing world still treat us with such disdain. Is this the same press who voted him manager of the year,it more to do with a lot of our fans been below the age of five and blame the refs and press for everthing. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 25, 2014 20:00:32 GMT
Modern day footballers only have themselves to blame they all try and get every decision even if they no they are wrong.We all blame the refs its about time the PFA sanction the players especially if there actions cause another player to be wrongly banned .They are all in the same union so why cheat on your fellow worker.Maybe I come from a workforce and period of we should respect each other. I agree entirely. It's not a common view but if you are serious about diving, the players union is the ONLY option. Some ludicrous panel, to sit on a Monday with no terms of reference deciding on issues that 90% of the time are guesswork or mind reading is just nonsense, It can only be self regulation. |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 20:01:11 GMT
Modern day footballers only have themselves to blame they all try and get every decision even if they no they are wrong.We all blame the refs its about time the PFA sanction the players especially if there actions cause another player to be wrongly banned .They are all in the same union so why cheat on your fellow worker.Maybe I come from a workforce and period of we should respect each other. Unfortunately,I agree.You only have to look at cricket,where batsmen don't walk after getting caught, to judge how professionals play the game nowadays. |
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Post by no1972 on Oct 25, 2014 20:01:44 GMT
Easy guide for referees: 1) If a player is fouled in the box, give a penalty. 2) If a player goes down in the box with contact that is not enough for them to go down even if it is a foul, that player gets a yellow card and no penalty. Problem solved all round. What is a foul in todays game. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:02:58 GMT
Exactly what I was saying after the Swansea game. It's a culture that has been bred by weak referees looking for the easy option and the media. If you don't go down you rarely if ever get a free kick. Forget retrospective action against divers. How about we referee games properly in the first place? It's hard though for referees to start giving penalties or free kicks for someone putting a hand on his opponents shoulder or shirt when his actions don't impede his opponents movement at all. I haven't seen today's game so cannot judge the actual supposed foul mentioned in this thread,but I saw last week's game and in my opinion the shirt pull on Moses didn't impede him in any way shape or form and the ref only gave the penalty because Moses threw himself to the floor. It's not as black and white in my opinion that refs can just give every single infringement in every game otherwise they would be blowing their whistles every other second. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:03:36 GMT
Agreed. This cheating should have been sorted many moons ago. The big teams are IMHO the biggest culprits, and in my belief, that is why it has not been done! The amount of cheating in the game is beyond a joke. The media definitely have an agenda as well. If you are playing with inferior players against top players in the main, your only chance is to use dodgy tactics. Not all the time but some of it. Time without number, premiership players are diving when there is no real need to, and gaining an advantage. It should be stood on now!
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 25, 2014 20:04:12 GMT
Pulis is/was the reason why the footballing world still treat us with such disdain. Is this the same press who voted him manager of the year,it more to do with a lot of our fans been below the age of five and blame the refs and press for everthing. When did Tone get manager of the year/season? |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 20:07:30 GMT
Is this the same press who voted him manager of the year,it more to do with a lot of our fans been below the age of five and blame the refs and press for everthing. When did Tone get manager of the year/season? Last season,for Palace. |
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Post by no1972 on Oct 25, 2014 20:08:34 GMT
Is this the same press who voted him manager of the year,it more to do with a lot of our fans been below the age of five and blame the refs and press for everthing. When did Tone get manager of the year/season? Last year different team but same man. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:11:15 GMT
Pulis is/was the reason why the footballing world still treat us with such disdain. Is this the same press who voted him manager of the year,it more to do with a lot of our fans been below the age of five and blame the refs and press for everthing. To be fair,for whatever reasons Palace played a totally different style of football under Pulis than we did for the majority of his reign here. |
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Post by potter30 on Oct 25, 2014 20:12:49 GMT
Not seen today's incident, but can't believe some of the dribble that I've read on this board over the last week.
If Moses had wanted to stay on his feet last Sunday then he could have done. Yes, there was a slight tug on his shirt, but nothing to justify him going down.
Arguably, that has cost him today.
I'm sure that if the roles were reversed and someone went down in front of the boothen as Moses did we would be baying for blood.
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Post by no1972 on Oct 25, 2014 20:17:28 GMT
Not seen today's incident, but can't believe some of the dribble that I've read on this board over the last week. If Moses had wanted to stay on his feet last Sunday then he could have done. Yes, there was a slight tug on his shirt, but nothing to justify him going down. Arguably, that has cost him today. I'm sure that if the roles were reversed and someone went down in front of the boothen as Moses did we would be baying for blood. Could not agree more last week Victor must of felt the massive pull of his shirt made him to fall forward,this week it must of not caused him to fall over . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:19:20 GMT
Not seen today's incident, but can't believe some of the dribble that I've read on this board over the last week. If Moses had wanted to stay on his feet last Sunday then he could have done. Yes, there was a slight tug on his shirt, but nothing to justify him going down. Arguably, that has cost him today. I'm sure that if the roles were reversed and someone went down in front of the boothen as Moses did we would be baying for blood. Like I said last week. The double standards on here this past week have hit an all time low. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:57:49 GMT
As a team we don't cheat as much as some other clubs have done this season, and in other season's past. Victor Moses happens to do something that in the main we don't like. Once, he did it, and has been castigated thoroughly. Enough is enough. Move on, but if it does happen again, then the knives should come out.
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 25, 2014 21:05:35 GMT
When did Tone get manager of the year/season? Last year different team but same man. Exactly! Fuck him now, great respect when he was here and love him as a bloke but every now and then he says something that is bollocks and he can be a hypocrite! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:57:34 GMT
Moses, for a split second, did consider going down.
That's my belief anyway.
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Post by AlJolson on Oct 25, 2014 22:09:16 GMT
I know I'm in a minority here but I hate to see simulation/diving cheating even from my team.
I am old enough to remember when a player tried to evade a challenge and go on to try and score instead of todays fall over at the merest hint of contact attitude.
Every game is televised in the premier league, all it would take is for a panel to judge retrospectively and award fines or cards
for any cheating and soon enough a name and shame mentality would soon deter players from diving etc.
It wont happen though.
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Post by turtlefox on Oct 25, 2014 22:34:17 GMT
If what happened last week with Moses hadn't happened, Moses would have gone down today. It's not cheating as the word sounds, it's just making the best of your chances. He obviously doesn't want to be labelled as a cheat and that is why he never went down today. You could see that he wanted to though.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 22:36:58 GMT
Moses, for a split second, did consider going down. That's my belief anyway. That's my opinion too.No media bollocks from last week and we'd have had a pen today. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2014 23:33:50 GMT
Not seen today's incident, but can't believe some of the dribble that I've read on this board over the last week. If Moses had wanted to stay on his feet last Sunday then he could have done. Yes, there was a slight tug on his shirt, but nothing to justify him going down. Arguably, that has cost him today. I'm sure that if the roles were reversed and someone went down in front of the boothen as Moses did we would be baying for blood. It's not dribble though is it? Moses was entirely right to go down last week when he could have stayed on his feet and entirely wrong to stay on his feet when he should have gone down today. The referee's decisions in both instances clearly demonstrate this. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 26, 2014 1:59:53 GMT
Exactly what I was saying after the Swansea game. It's a culture that has been bred by weak referees looking for the easy option and the media. If you don't go down you rarely if ever get a free kick. Forget retrospective action against divers. How about we referee games properly in the first place? It's hard though for referees to start giving penalties or free kicks for someone putting a hand on his opponents shoulder or shirt when his actions don't impede his opponents movement at all. I haven't seen today's game so cannot judge the actual supposed foul mentioned in this thread,but I saw last week's game and in my opinion the shirt pull on Moses didn't impede him in any way shape or form and the ref only gave the penalty because Moses threw himself to the floor. It's not as black and white in my opinion that refs can just give every single infringement in every game otherwise they would be blowing their whistles every other second. Part of this post is something that I was trying to get across last week but couldn't put into words very well. Football needs to collectively shake away this attitude that any kind of contact automatically equals a foul. For me, for it to be even remotely worth considering as a foul, the player in possession must be impeded unfairly in some significant way. See Modric going down a few years ago and winning a penalty to the sound of absolutely no criticism whatsoever after Whelan (I think) grazed his shin just slightly. It wasn't enough to knock him off balance, or prevent him from bearing down on goal. Therefore, it was no penalty and a yellow card, even though the referee gave the penalty. It leads to this idea of players 'winning' penalties with clever play. You don't 'win' penalties. Your aim is to score goals and penalties are a punishment for instances when you are illegally prevented from doing so. Shirt tugging is maybe a little bit different. If you make a concerted effort to grab someones shirt, then it's hard to not impede them at all. Ideally, Moses wouldn't go down because the referee would spot that and would give a penalty. Today, he was clearly dragged back unfairly, so the referee should have given the penalty. I loathe the fact that he threw himself to the floor last week, but I actually detest the fact that it was a necessary course of action. That's why I proposed that little rule above. Referees have to start giving fouls when a player is clearly unfairly impeded and not wait until they go down. When players do go down without an opponent applying the required force for that to happen, it should be a yellow card and a possible retroactive suspension no matter what. That would actually a bit fairer and hey, may actually cut down on the amount of diving we see. Then we can make a start on bring back proper tackling and so on. |
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