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Post by agingerstokie on Oct 13, 2014 21:43:40 GMT
Was a striker that offered something different. Right now we have Crouch and Diouf who to me are quite similar in the style of play except that Diouf is obviously pacier. It seems like we might have benefited from bringing in another striker who could play a different role, without sounding cliche, someone like Remy but not actually Remy.
Forgive me if I am totally off the mark with my thoughts but you can't help what you think!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 13, 2014 21:46:41 GMT
We should have spent big on a quality box to box midfielder ie Diame instead of going for the cheap option of an ageing Sidwell. I don't think we need or needed to buy anymore forwards. We've got plenty.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Oct 13, 2014 21:46:58 GMT
I don't see how Diouf is anything like Crouch ?
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Post by agingerstokie on Oct 13, 2014 21:48:00 GMT
I don't see how Diouf is anything like Crouch ? To me they are both target men but that's just my thoughts.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 13, 2014 21:48:32 GMT
Pizza?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 13, 2014 21:49:09 GMT
We definitely need a natural finisher.
There isn't one forward player in the current squad who looks comfortable in front of goal.
You can't expect to score goals with a set of lads who would rather pass the ball to someone else rather than shoot.
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Post by Gods on Oct 13, 2014 21:51:28 GMT
I'm struggling to think of 2 more different players than Diouf and Crouch. Diouf is grease lightning but can't play football to save his life. Crouch has a wonderful touch but is about as mobile as a telegraph pole. A hybrid would have been nice but I guess it comes with a price tag to match.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 21:51:53 GMT
Diouf and Crouch are worlds apart, Diouf doesn't seem like a player who would ever turn his back to goal! Likes to run at players and needs to be playing off of someone else, Crouch is bloody brilliant at holding up the ball but couldn't beat his man....
I think Diouf is set out to be a winger so a different strike option wouldn't be an awful idea, someone like Andy Carroll
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Post by agingerstokie on Oct 13, 2014 21:54:42 GMT
Alright I get your point lads I retract my statement about them being same but as Jamo said a natural finisher we are sorely lacking.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 13, 2014 22:14:36 GMT
The main thing we lacked in the window was desire to invest we sought solace in the bargain basement and now we are getting bargain basement results m Bardsley , sidwell , Bojan , assadi have contributed nothing positive between them
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Post by Gods on Oct 13, 2014 22:21:24 GMT
The main thing we lacked in the window was desire to invest we sought solace in the bargain basement and now we are getting bargain basement results m Bardsley , sidwell , Bojan , assadi have contributed nothing positive between them Bardsley has been cover for Cameron while he was injured although I suppose Wilko could have done that job equally as well. You are right about the others, no meaningful action from any of them to date, still time though, its not been pretty so far it must be said.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2014 22:33:07 GMT
I don't see how Diouf is anything like Crouch ? To me they are both target men but that's just my thoughts. Diouf is no nearer to being a target man as Muniesa is. I would have loved Diame here but other than that I don't think we did much wrong, Assaidi maybe but that was more last min desperation than anything.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2014 22:34:39 GMT
The main thing we lacked in the window was desire to invest we sought solace in the bargain basement and now we are getting bargain basement results m Bardsley , sidwell , Bojan , assadi have contributed nothing positive between them Talking shit again I see, Bardsley has been a huge improvement, he can play the position for one.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 14, 2014 15:21:44 GMT
I'm struggling to think of 2 more different players than Diouf and Crouch. Diouf is grease lightning but can't play football to save his life. Crouch has a wonderful touch but is about as mobile as a telegraph pole. A hybrid would have been nice but I guess it comes with a price tag to match. Therein lies the rub? Are the family going to invest like they did with Crouch? Bony, Remy etc. would all cost mega bucks. I suspect Agudelo might not yet be completely dead?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 15:35:19 GMT
We definitely need a natural finisher. There isn't one forward player in the current squad who looks comfortable in front of goal. You can't expect to score goals with a set of lads who would rather pass the ball to someone else rather than shoot. spot on jamo...and it's exactly why we miss Wingie so much! not saying that PO is as good as Ric (being played out wide doesn't help him there) but i can't remember us having someone so comfortable with the ball at his feet and in front of goal since Ric to be honest.....KJ always seemed to make it as hard for himself as possible to score and there's no way you could say that Jerome was comfortable with the ball at his feet as he could barely keep hold of it as soon as he got anything under control.i suppose Beattie was always comfortable in front of goal but he was more of an out and out striker anyway. we need Wingie back asap and i reckon if he hadn't been injured we'd have had at least a couple more wins than we've got at the mo
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 16:08:08 GMT
We have lots of different forward players in the squad.Crouch,Walters,Diouf,Bojan,PO (before he was injured),all totally different players. Diouf is supposed to be the natural finisher isn't he ?
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Post by Gods on Oct 14, 2014 16:12:42 GMT
I'm struggling to think of 2 more different players than Diouf and Crouch. Diouf is grease lightning but can't play football to save his life. Crouch has a wonderful touch but is about as mobile as a telegraph pole. A hybrid would have been nice but I guess it comes with a price tag to match. Therein lies the rub? Are the family going to invest like they did with Crouch? Bony, Remy etc. would all cost mega bucks. I suspect Agudelo might not yet be completely dead? yeah, I keep thinking who is lighting fast AND has a wonderful touch and the name "Cristiano Ronaldo' keeps coming up in my head
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 14, 2014 16:13:23 GMT
The main thing we lacked in the window was desire to invest we sought solace in the bargain basement and now we are getting bargain basement results m Bardsley , sidwell , Bojan , assadi have contributed nothing positive between them Same old argument. If we'd spent: £8 million on Diouf, £2 million on Sidwell, £4 million on Bardsley, £5 million on Bojan, £5 million on Assadi, £12 million on Moses Would that have made a better team this season? Just because we haven't spent much doesn't mean that we haven't got some quality.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 14, 2014 16:55:18 GMT
The main thing we lacked in the window was desire to invest we sought solace in the bargain basement and now we are getting bargain basement results m Bardsley , sidwell , Bojan , assadi have contributed nothing positive between them Same old argument. If we'd spent: £8 million on Diouf, £2 million on Sidwell, £4 million on Bardsley, £5 million on Bojan, £5 million on Assadi, £12 million on Moses Would that have made a better team this season? Just because we haven't spent much doesn't mean that we haven't got some quality. You're missing the point. Nobody is arguing that we should spend money unnecessarily e.g. as on 'freebies'. But, sometimes you do have to spend decent money on quality. I suspect that Agudelo fits the bill for a finisher which is why I think he could be at 'The Brit' come January? After three very quiet transfer windows you would think money shouldn't be a problem?
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 14, 2014 17:17:01 GMT
Same old argument. If we'd spent: £8 million on Diouf, £2 million on Sidwell, £4 million on Bardsley, £5 million on Bojan, £5 million on Assadi, £12 million on Moses Would that have made a better team this season? Just because we haven't spent much doesn't mean that we haven't got some quality. You're missing the point. Nobody is arguing that we should spend money unnecessarily e.g. as on 'freebies'. But, sometimes you do have to spend decent money on quality. I suspect that Agudelo fits the bill for a finisher which is why I think he could be at 'The Brit' come January? After three very quiet transfer windows you would think money shouldn't be a problem? The point is not missed. I think plenty are wanting money spent - they wouldn't have been moaning if we'd spent the fees I mentioned (probably closer to the player's true worth taking away the Bosman side/loan, bar Bojan). You do sometimes have to spend to get quality - and we've probably spent quite a lot more on wages and signing on fees to get this bunch. Don't be fooled into thinking that paying a good price equates to a good player (think Kitson, Kenwyn, Veron, etc.). Diouf (26 in 57 - not far off one every other game) has a far better goal scoring record than Agudelo (18 in 75 i.e. less than 1 goal every 4 games) at a much higher level of football (Bundesliga vs. MLS). So I doubt if he is the answer at the moment.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Oct 14, 2014 20:21:04 GMT
We still need a right sided winger to call our own. And when I saw winger I mean someone to play on the right of a 3, not a pennant esque winger. Left footed would be great. (Yarmolenko?)
We still need competition for the Whelan and Nzonzi role. As others have said A box to box ball player/winner is still needed. We haven't really seen Sidwell get a game yet, I think he could do a job with Nzonzi but another one should be considered in the next two windows. Someone in the mould of Diame/Cattermole. (Sidwell/Muniesa?)
A partner for Shawcross. Simple as. One that it is physical and has the ability to pass the ball. (Pieters/Muniesa?)
A replacement for Ireland as I don't think Adam is up to a more forward role. (Bojan?)
Another striker that can play in the lone striker role (Agudelo?)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 20:30:33 GMT
I really wish that we hadn't signed Sidwell AND Bojan.
To me, they are far too similar.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 14, 2014 20:33:13 GMT
Boskamp
Cameron took us into the top 10 Bardsley the bottom 6 one of is talking shit and its not the biscuit
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Post by adamsson on Oct 14, 2014 20:44:38 GMT
Boskamp Cameron took us into the top 10 Bardsley the bottom 6 one of is talking shit and its not the biscuit So the difference is all down to the right back Are you sure you're not talking shit
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Post by discokaraoke on Oct 14, 2014 21:55:01 GMT
Boskamp Cameron took us into the top 10 Bardsley the bottom 6 one of is talking shit and its not the biscuit I take it the season is over for you then.
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Post by Northy on Oct 15, 2014 6:18:00 GMT
A couple of stands in the corners ?.........
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Post by scfc5 on Oct 15, 2014 8:16:15 GMT
I'd say Bojan is the natural finisher, from the number of goals he scored at youth level, but whether we will ever trust him as the lone No9 is another question. Strikes me he will forever be tagged as not strong enough for that. Bojan up top with Crouch would be interesting but we won't be playing 4-4-2 or anything similar for the foreseeable.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 15, 2014 8:27:30 GMT
I'd say Bojan is the natural finisher, from the number of goals he scored at youth level, but whether we will ever trust him as the lone No9 is another question. Strikes me he will forever be tagged as not strong enough for that. Bojan up top with Crouch would be interesting but we won't be playing 4-4-2 or anything similar for the foreseeable. That could possibly be the case. It would be interesting to see him deployed in an out and out forward role but I'm not sure where he fits in the current formation?
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 15, 2014 8:30:39 GMT
We should have spent big on a quality box to box midfielder ie Diame instead of going for the cheap option of an ageing Sidwell. I don't think we need or needed to buy anymore forwards. We've got plenty. 100% correct - one problem, the club don't want to spend big money anymore. That ship has sailed.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 15, 2014 9:36:51 GMT
We should have spent big on a quality box to box midfielder ie Diame instead of going for the cheap option of an ageing Sidwell. I don't think we need or needed to buy anymore forwards. We've got plenty. 100% correct - one problem, the club don't want to spend big money anymore. That ship has sailed. Possibly a certain man with a cap to blame for that
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