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Post by spitthedog on Oct 10, 2014 16:32:24 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29572414Under this proposal. This just makes me so angry. This is another step towards taking competition out of competitive football which is already minimal. So now Man Utd won't even need to qualify. This competition died when it was expanded to include non-champions imho.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 10, 2014 16:34:16 GMT
Just a crackpot proposal from someone who would say that because it's directly relevant to his team.
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Post by Gods on Oct 10, 2014 16:36:06 GMT
Sounds far from a done deal, at this stage it just seems to be 'important person at AC Milan thinks wild cards make sense', hopefully the powers that be will tell him that they do not.
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Post by Gods on Oct 10, 2014 16:36:55 GMT
Sounds far from a done deal, at this stage it just seems to be 'important person at AC Milan thinks wild cards make sense', hopefully the powers that be will tell him that they do not. chiefd beat me to it but I don't care this stays! |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 10, 2014 16:42:19 GMT
The league winner and the two cup winners in each European country get a spot, nobody else.
Why would a competition be better for being the preserve of big clubs?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 10, 2014 16:43:40 GMT
Just the champions of each country in a straight knock out, no seeds. Cup winners in the Cup Winners' Cup.
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Post by hoopty on Oct 10, 2014 16:58:05 GMT
Errrrrr..."However Uefa general secretary Gianni Infantino said this week that wildcards would never happen."
Non-story
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 10, 2014 17:02:43 GMT
The guy making the proposal thinks that clubs with a long history history should get a wild card into the Champions League. I'm sure Notts County and ourselves, as the oldest two professional clubs in the world, can make a decent case for a wild card every year!  |
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 10, 2014 17:05:29 GMT
Apparently only Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool trying to qualify for the top four...
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Post by craig67 on Oct 10, 2014 17:08:36 GMT
The guy making the proposal thinks that clubs with a long history history should get a wild card into the Champions League. I'm sure Notts County and ourselves, as the oldest two professional clubs in the world, can make a decent case for a wild card every year! History history?? Losing the plot John?  |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 10, 2014 17:09:36 GMT
Just the champions of each country in a straight knock out, no seeds. Cup winners in the Cup Winners' Cup. How it used to be, but money talks I'm afraid. It will come to a point where if someone like the Shit finish in the bottom 3, they will be allowed to stay up and a (smaller) club who finish above, relegated in their place. |
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Post by onionman on Oct 10, 2014 17:10:10 GMT
Obviously it's a self-serving idea from a big club director, but I wouldn't be surprised to see changes at some point to guarantee the richest clubs are always involved in the biggest tournament.
A couple of generations ago, it was perfectly possible for any team to get relegated from the top flight. Man Utd and Spurs in the 70s, Liverpool in the 60s. Since then the richest clubs in the country have successfully changed the landscape to make sure there is absolutely zero chance of them missing a year at the English top table. I'd imagine they'd find a way of doing the same in Europe.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 10, 2014 17:13:23 GMT
Just the champions of each country in a straight knock out, no seeds. Cup winners in the Cup Winners' Cup. Which would make a useless competition and get people turning off across the world. The group stages are a bit poor but after it's great competition and produces the best football in the world. I think they've got it just about right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 17:17:28 GMT
Obviously it's a self-serving idea from a big club director, but I wouldn't be surprised to see changes at some point to guarantee the richest clubs are always involved in the biggest tournament. A couple of generations ago, it was perfectly possible for any team to get relegated from the top flight. Man Utd and Spurs in the 70s, Liverpool in the 60s. Since then the richest clubs in the country have successfully changed the landscape to make sure there is absolutely zero chance of them missing a year at the English top table. I'd imagine they'd find a way of doing the same in Europe. The same processes they employed to achieve freedom from relegation have already guaranteed most of them continual european football anyway. The first step in this country was when clubs started to keep their own gate receipts. Massive winner for the big clubs in the days before the big TV money came along. |
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Post by skip on Oct 10, 2014 17:17:31 GMT
Let's just buy into the idea that football is no longer a sport but simply part of The Spectacle. It's a constructed, heavily controlled business and our memories of giant killings, minnows winning league titles and 'big' clubs getting relegated will fade over time.
As mainstream music has become software (cf: U2 and Apple), football is entertainment and no longer sport.
I'm not entirely sure we'll get football back.
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Post by wuzza on Oct 10, 2014 17:21:24 GMT
Its a monumentaly stupid proposal ... so its odds on it will happen.
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Post by onionman on Oct 10, 2014 17:28:39 GMT
Obviously it's a self-serving idea from a big club director, but I wouldn't be surprised to see changes at some point to guarantee the richest clubs are always involved in the biggest tournament. A couple of generations ago, it was perfectly possible for any team to get relegated from the top flight. Man Utd and Spurs in the 70s, Liverpool in the 60s. Since then the richest clubs in the country have successfully changed the landscape to make sure there is absolutely zero chance of them missing a year at the English top table. I'd imagine they'd find a way of doing the same in Europe. The same processes they employed to achieve freedom from relegation have already guaranteed most of them continual european football anyway. The first step was when clubs started to keep their own gate receipts. Massive winner for the big clubs in the days before the big TV money came along. Absolutely right about the gate receipts. FFP is probably the latest step on that journey. Let's face it, if you were a tosser with lots of shares in Man United, and no interest in the idealism of competition and sport, you'd be pushing to make sure Man United are always in the Champions League, even when they've had a stinker of a domestic season. FFP certainly cuts down the number of potential gatecrashers. What about a European Super League in the style of the English Premier League, where the top 10/12 clubs have an outrageous financial advantage that means they will never get relegated? |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 10, 2014 17:30:01 GMT
The guy making the proposal thinks that clubs with a long history history should get a wild card into the Champions League. I'm sure Notts County and ourselves, as the oldest two professional clubs in the world, can make a decent case for a wild card every year! History history?? Losing the plot John? Yes, yes - well - maybe, maybe! |
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Post by lordb on Oct 10, 2014 17:31:22 GMT
Just the champions of each country in a straight knock out, no seeds. Cup winners in the Cup Winners' Cup. Which would make a useless competition and get people turning off across the world. The group stages are a bit poor but after it's great competition and produces the best football in the world. I think they've got it just about right now. I think the competition was at its best when it was just the top two who qualified. Then almost every team in almost every group was a quality side as such each group was highly competitive with quality football. Now most groups are predictable and not worth watching As for this wildcard idea,nothing be from Milan. Berlusconi was touting it 10+ years ago. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 10, 2014 18:06:43 GMT
I'm not a fan of the diluted Champions League, which includes non Champions.
But if they're intent on diluting it/fucking about with it, then why not have have play-offs for the fourth spot in the Premier League.
4th in the Prem v 7th, 5th v 6th. Give the middle order something more to fight for.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 10, 2014 18:42:55 GMT
Just the champions of each country in a straight knock out, no seeds. Cup winners in the Cup Winners' Cup. Which would make a useless competition and get people turning off across the world. The group stages are a bit poor but after it's great competition and produces the best football in the world. I think they've got it just about right now. Why would it make it any more useless than it is now? I prefer cup competitions where anyone can beat anyone on their day. If you want to stage manage it like wrestling that's your shout. |
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Post by santy on Oct 11, 2014 11:58:14 GMT
Remember Phil Gartside always banging on about how he wanted promotion/relegation to and from the premier league scrapped. I haven't seen one of those articles from him for a while but I'm sure he still support it all wholeheartedly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 12:17:30 GMT
The guy making the proposal thinks that clubs with a long history history should get a wild card into the Champions League. I'm sure Notts County and ourselves, as the oldest two professional clubs in the world, can make a decent case for a wild card every year! somat to do with ac milan not making it into the champs league. why dont the big clubs get together and fuck off to their own little euro league. then we can get back to a proper div 1 where all teams are equal and everyone has a equal chance of winning. sick to death of wealthy owners buying clubs such as man city,chelsea,shit,liverpool. not one football person owns any of these clubs.arabs,russians7yanks all of them dodgy. |
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 12, 2014 1:01:35 GMT
I'd like to know how much Man United's absence has cost UEFA in advertising revenue/viewing figures this season.
That will tell you how likely this idea is.
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Post by ricksastokie on Oct 12, 2014 1:23:09 GMT
The man is a cock of the highest order.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 12, 2014 9:44:14 GMT
Another example of the world we live in, where everything is dominated by money and populism. Who's to blame? Sadly we all are every time we watch a game on TV, visit a pub showing a game, text in to silly competitions, etc. etc. It's Joe Public's response that drives society's moguls' decision making on how to make more money, win your vote, etc. etc. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 12, 2014 10:07:26 GMT
Uefa general secretary Gianni Infantino said this week that wildcards would never happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 10:39:59 GMT
I'm not a fan of the diluted Champions League, which includes non Champions. But if they're intent on diluting it/fucking about with it, then why not have have play-offs for the fourth spot in the Premier League. 4th in the Prem v 7th, 5th v 6th. Give the middle order something more to fight for. Love this idea! The FL playoffs are the most entertaining games of the season so to have playoffs with upper top-half of the table prem teams would be awesome. It's not quite promotion but it's still a prize all teams would be fighting hard for. It would also open up the possibility that a club like ours could actually sneak a 6th or 7th place finish and then make it to the CL, and if that applies to us then that theoretically applies to pretty much every club in the championship too, and quite a few even lower down! |
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