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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2014 8:19:30 GMT
The only thing we know about huddy is he voted Blair and now spends time telling us he is no fan of labour and scours the net looking at ways to dig Tories or dig at people who voted Tory Very rarely he may contribute something useful to the discussion. Very rarely though mind. I really couldn't give a fuck who agrees or disagrees with me surely that's the point of discussion. But you never get it from him. Oh and he loved the London riots in case you missed it. This from the man who describes the emerging Green Party as "lunatics" Keep it up Al. You have no sense of humour. You know I am just joking, similarily just as I know you dont really wish death upon Bono!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 22, 2014 8:20:20 GMT
I'd have thought someone with your astonishing intelligence can make sense of that, no? I know exactly what it means...but thats not what i asked. You post these quotes and pictures all the time, so lets see if you know what they mean. Or maybe you'll just respond with another stupid question? Well despite promising that borrowing would fall, Gideon has actually borrowed more than ever. Is that simple enough for you to understand?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 8:24:04 GMT
Indeed it is does...and most of it is disingenuous garbage. Balanced budget within it's first few years???? By following Tory spending plans to take the country to surplus and then starting to spend, spend, spend. Productivity? The same kind of spending that produced £1 of growth for every £2 plus put in during the Labour years when you assured us it was 'investment' His conclusion about the 'self employment' where he thinks he knows better than the individuals themselves about what they want is something to behold isn't it? I have my own theory as to why so many people at this level go 'self employed' but it won't compute with his poor, disadvantaged sterotype. He doesn't exactly offer this economic alternative either does he? Same old, same old....spend, spend, spend and hope for a better outcome than last time we tried it.... ...any news floating around about the Labour run Welsh NHS!? Hmmm, which one to give more credence to I wonder? A Cambridge University economist or a poster on a football forum who openly admits to a lack of understanding of financial matters and a biased way of thinking? Tricky ??? Brilliant stuff! With condescending comments like that I can only assume that you are a Labour party member Sifu - Please vote for me but don't try and bore me with your banal working class views. If you hadn't have found an article from a leading left-wing economist who writes for the Guardian I'd never have known that the last Labour government were actually economic geniuses. Thanks for clearing that one up. Fancy you going all 'Huddy' on us. I like how your Cambridge University economist tells us that Labour did borrow more between 2002 and 2007 but is careful to remind us that they didn't spend it on welfare. What a mind! It's like someone saying 'I've just borrowed £1500 and bought a new HD TV but I spent the borrowed money on food'. I suppose that's the end of this 8 page thread then. There's no point in us thick working class football fans wasting any more time on topics like this. We're obviously too stupid to have a view on our economy so, for the love of the nation, don't worry about things you don't understand and vote Labour.
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Post by mcf on Oct 22, 2014 8:31:24 GMT
I know exactly what it means...but thats not what i asked. You post these quotes and pictures all the time, so lets see if you know what they mean. Or maybe you'll just respond with another stupid question? Well despite promising that borrowing would fall, Gideon has actually borrowed more than ever. Is that simple enough for you to understand? He has borrowed more. Do you actually think he has borrowed more than ever? I don't think he's even borrowed the most in the last ten years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 8:43:33 GMT
I know exactly what it means...but thats not what i asked. You post these quotes and pictures all the time, so lets see if you know what they mean. Or maybe you'll just respond with another stupid question? Well despite promising that borrowing would fall, Gideon has actually borrowed more than ever. Is that simple enough for you to understand? Obviously not simple enough for you to understand... Oh dear....Osborne has had to borrow more this year than he did last year but is still below Labour's 2009 spend fest. It's from the Guardian too so Sifu will be well pleased.
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Post by jpm64 on Oct 22, 2014 9:04:01 GMT
[/quote]Brilliant stuff! With condescending comments like that I can only assume that you are a Labour party member Sifu - Please vote for me but don't try and bore me with your banal working class views. If you hadn't have found an article from a leading left-wing economist who writes for the Guardian I'd never have known that the last Labour government were actually economic geniuses. Thanks for clearing that one up. Fancy you going all 'Huddy' on us. I like how your Cambridge University economist tells us that Labour did borrow more between 2002 and 2007 but is careful to remind us that they didn't spend it on welfare. What a mind! It's like someone saying 'I've just borrowed £1500 and bought a new HD TV but I spent the borrowed money on food'. I suppose that's the end of this 8 page thread then. There's no point in us thick working class football fans wasting any more time on topics like this. We're obviously too stupid to have a view on our economy so, for the love of the nation, don't worry about things you don't understand and vote Labour. [/quote]
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 22, 2014 9:06:46 GMT
A good post thaat but yet another writing under the assumption that Huddy is a Labour suporter. Is that what knocking the Tories is to everybody on here, just Labour supporters having a dig. Whilst i agree with a lot of your post regarding Labour, to defend Tory policies by using their past fuck up's is absurd in my opinion. The issue with all 3 main parties is that they do not represent the people first and foremost anymore, and neither will Ukip. The people who caused the 2008 crash were bailed out with public money and the public are the ones suffering for the shortfall. At the same time the bonuses of the bankers continue to rise, the wages of MP's rise, tax braeks for the super rich, the rich get richer etc etc......... It wasn't the nurses, teachers, firefighters, disabled, immigrants or the unemployed that created this mess but it's the Tories who blame them and punish them relentlessly. The Tories don't blame those people - they are just trying to run a country that is in a big heap of shit. Even parking who is at fault, it's still a rather dire situation that has to be sorted and the problem with you 'Tory knockers' - clearly you are all very embarrassed and ashamed by your Labour past - is that you offer no alternative whatsoever. Lukey believes in a Scandanavian dream that is rolling back from it's high tax past and he knows that this country will not wear it any case and even his beloved Guardian economist offers no alternative. The kind of alternative that you all wanted to believe in was played out in this country to a grim conclusion and is now being played out in the likes of France. You lot really would risk shooting yourselves in the foot as you take aim at people that make money in this country. It's fucking daft and proved to be self defeating. And another. Apparently the real "problem" is "clearly you are all very embarrassed and ashamed by your Labour past" It's like a pre programmed response has been implanted on mass.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2014 10:08:11 GMT
The Tories don't blame those people - they are just trying to run a country that is in a big heap of shit. Even parking who is at fault, it's still a rather dire situation that has to be sorted and the problem with you 'Tory knockers' - clearly you are all very embarrassed and ashamed by your Labour past - is that you offer no alternative whatsoever. Lukey believes in a Scandanavian dream that is rolling back from it's high tax past and he knows that this country will not wear it any case and even his beloved Guardian economist offers no alternative. The kind of alternative that you all wanted to believe in was played out in this country to a grim conclusion and is now being played out in the likes of France. You lot really would risk shooting yourselves in the foot as you take aim at people that make money in this country. It's fucking daft and proved to be self defeating. And another. Apparently the real "problem" is "clearly you are all very embarrassed and ashamed by your Labour past" It's like a pre programmed response has been implanted on mass. looking at this with a bit of objectiveness, trawl through the threads over the last few years you will see most of the threads start off with someone knocking the tories for things going wrong, dont get me wrong im more than happy to stand by labour hate democracy thread, the title is tongue in cheek but my point is the left or anti tory leaning people on here start thread after thread every time the tories do somthing and its more than the other way round. ffs no sooner had the conservatives formed government you had people predicting it wouldnt last 6 months, knocking them before they start and thats after brown and blair (who incidentally did some good stuff amongst the very bad). this thread started because the tories have the audacity to start changing inheritance tax laws, the anti tory lot never look at the good they do too, they just have this bling hatred of all thing tory and wont look at the positive. they cant see balance take huddy - the other day he posts this. straight away hes labelled the guy a twat. but actually you could look at it the other way and think actually every minority group has to prove him/herself in employment. blacks in predominatley white employment, women in male dominated etc disabled no different. minorities are already under scrutiny so have to work harder to rise above this, unfair maybe but a lot of truth. you could look at it in the way that he has just told employers "hire someone disabled, because they will work harder for you" now im not saying for one minute that my view is correct, but it offers an alternative and can be shot down in flames, no problem but if people actually sat and looked at the other side for one minute you would get a bit of balance. and on this subject may go some way to getting employers to stop their predjudice and hire disabled people. better than just posting memes which achieve nothing, and after a while just make you look silly I remember when there used to be a sense of humour around here. but to be fair there has never been balance
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Post by jpm64 on Oct 22, 2014 10:26:06 GMT
And another. Apparently the real "problem" is "clearly you are all very embarrassed and ashamed by your Labour past" It's like a pre programmed response has been implanted on mass. looking at this with a bit of objectiveness, trawl through the threads over the last few years you will see most of the threads start off with someone knocking the tories for things going wrong, dont get me wrong im more than happy to stand by labour hate democracy thread, the title is tongue in cheek but my point is the left or anti tory leaning people on here start thread after thread every time the tories do somthing and its more than the other way round. ffs no sooner had the conservatives formed government you had people predicting it wouldnt last 6 months, knocking them before they start and thats after brown and blair (who incidentally did some good stuff amongst the very bad). this thread started because the tories have the audacity to start changing inheritance tax laws, the anti tory lot never look at the good they do too, they just have this bling hatred of all thing tory and wont look at the positive. they cant see balance take huddy - the other day he posts this. straight away hes labelled the guy a twat. but actually you could look at it the other way and think actually every minority group has to prove him/herself in employment. blacks in predominatley white employment, women in male dominated etc disabled no different. minorities are already under scrutiny so have to work harder to rise above this, unfair maybe but a lot of truth. you could look at it in the way that he has just told employers "hire someone disabled, because they will work harder for you" now im not saying for one minute that my view is correct, but it offers an alternative and can be shot down in flames, no problem but if people actually sat and looked at the other side for one minute you would get a bit of balance. and on this subject may go some way to getting employers to stop their predjudice and hire disabled people. better than just posting memes which achieve nothing, and after a while just make you look silly I remember when there used to be a sense of humour around here. but to be fair there has never been balance Come on Salop let's face it we are all as bad/good as each other for starting threads supporting our own views ! The fact is the Tory's are in government at the moment so they are there to be shot at ( not literally before you accuse me of encouraging violence ) Anyway I rather enjoy the debates on here and obviously I am right ( or left in this case ) and you are wrong ( or right in this case )
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 22, 2014 10:31:23 GMT
And another. Apparently the real "problem" is "clearly you are all very embarrassed and ashamed by your Labour past" It's like a pre programmed response has been implanted on mass. looking at this with a bit of objectiveness, trawl through the threads over the last few years you will see most of the threads start off with someone knocking the tories for things going wrong, dont get me wrong im more than happy to stand by labour hate democracy thread, the title is tongue in cheek but my point is the left or anti tory leaning people on here start thread after thread every time the tories do somthing and its more than the other way round. ffs no sooner had the conservatives formed government you had people predicting it wouldnt last 6 months, knocking them before they start and thats after brown and blair (who incidentally did some good stuff amongst the very bad). this thread started because the tories have the audacity to start changing inheritance tax laws, the anti tory lot never look at the good they do too, they just have this bling hatred of all thing tory and wont look at the positive. they cant see balance take huddy - the other day he posts this. straight away hes labelled the guy a twat. but actually you could look at it the other way and think actually every minority group has to prove him/herself in employment. blacks in predominatley white employment, women in male dominated etc disabled no different. minorities are already under scrutiny so have to work harder to rise above this, unfair maybe but a lot of truth. you could look at it in the way that he has just told employers "hire someone disabled, because they will work harder for you" now im not saying for one minute that my view is correct, but it offers an alternative and can be shot down in flames, no problem but if people actually sat and looked at the other side for one minute you would get a bit of balance. and on this subject may go some way to getting employers to stop their predjudice and hire disabled people. better than just posting memes which achieve nothing, and after a while just make you look silly I remember when there used to be a sense of humour around here. but to be fair there has never been balance Like i'm going to trawl through the last few years threads...Hhaahaha imagine........ it's punishing myself too much reading this one. I think i can see the balance here, Tories are total cunts, Labour are cunts. None of the main parties represent the people anymore and the "balance" you talk of comprises for most of Labour/Tory based debates which are the within the exact parameters they encourage. It's not "balance" to defend one wrong lot by denouncing the last wrong lot.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2014 10:52:14 GMT
looking at this with a bit of objectiveness, trawl through the threads over the last few years you will see most of the threads start off with someone knocking the tories for things going wrong, dont get me wrong im more than happy to stand by labour hate democracy thread, the title is tongue in cheek but my point is the left or anti tory leaning people on here start thread after thread every time the tories do somthing and its more than the other way round. ffs no sooner had the conservatives formed government you had people predicting it wouldnt last 6 months, knocking them before they start and thats after brown and blair (who incidentally did some good stuff amongst the very bad). this thread started because the tories have the audacity to start changing inheritance tax laws, the anti tory lot never look at the good they do too, they just have this bling hatred of all thing tory and wont look at the positive. they cant see balance take huddy - the other day he posts this. straight away hes labelled the guy a twat. but actually you could look at it the other way and think actually every minority group has to prove him/herself in employment. blacks in predominatley white employment, women in male dominated etc disabled no different. minorities are already under scrutiny so have to work harder to rise above this, unfair maybe but a lot of truth. you could look at it in the way that he has just told employers "hire someone disabled, because they will work harder for you" now im not saying for one minute that my view is correct, but it offers an alternative and can be shot down in flames, no problem but if people actually sat and looked at the other side for one minute you would get a bit of balance. and on this subject may go some way to getting employers to stop their predjudice and hire disabled people. better than just posting memes which achieve nothing, and after a while just make you look silly I remember when there used to be a sense of humour around here. but to be fair there has never been balance balance is actually having a debate, not just posting "you dont get it" or memes means fuck all Like i'm going to trawl through the last few years threads...Hhaahaha imagine........ it's punishing myself too much reading this one. I think i can see the balance here, Tories are total cunts, Labour are cunts. None of the main parties represent the people anymore and the "balance" you talk of comprises for most of Labour/Tory based debates which are the within the exact parameters they encourage. It's not "balance" to defend one wrong lot by denouncing the last wrong lot.
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 22, 2014 15:20:08 GMT
I know exactly what it means...but thats not what i asked. You post these quotes and pictures all the time, so lets see if you know what they mean. Or maybe you'll just respond with another stupid question? Well despite promising that borrowing would fall, Gideon has actually borrowed more than ever. Is that simple enough for you to understand? Brilliant. As suspected, you haven't got a clue. What that graph shows is debt. Not borrowing. In simple terms, if you borrowed £100 last year, but this year you only borrowed £50, your debt has risen to £150, but your borrowing is halved. The UK is reducing what it borrows, but it still needs to borrow something, so the debt rises, albeit at a slightly slower rate than before (as your graph does show). This is the best we can hope for following the catastrophic Gordon Brown tenure as chancellor, and hopefully future governments won't make the same mistakes and we can start to reduce the debt someday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 17:49:54 GMT
Oh, climb off your moral high horse, Salop, you're just as bad from the opposite end of the political spectrum, (although I'll bet you won't see it that way) There's a reason everyone has been taking the piss out of you recently by starting the Conservatives Hate.... threads, surely that didn't pass you by? The difference is I'm not so blinded by hatred to see both sides, and I've also taken the piss out myself on same threads, I can take a joke. My horse is not high Of course you are, everyone can see that! Very very occasionally you'll start a thread in criticism of the Tories or praise of Labour but hardly ever. And most of the time you start laughable stuff like Labour hates Democracy. I said you wouldn't be able to see it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 17:52:57 GMT
Hmmm, which one to give more credence to I wonder? A Cambridge University economist or a poster on a football forum who openly admits to a lack of understanding of financial matters and a biased way of thinking? Tricky ??? Pathetic....and I see you've tried the same pathetic script on squareball too. Why say more when both of you can be summed in so few words? You said you had limited understanding which I imagine doesn't apply to someone from Cambridge Uni! I suppose at the very least you have to admire your chutzpah for thinking you know better!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 17:55:37 GMT
Pathetic....and I see you've tried the same pathetic script on squareball too. It's funny someone with such insight into financial matters openly parroted the line that public sector services had increased in quality and quantity by 30% without a hint of irony or biased thinking. But this is even better an economist said it so it must be right, what is it they say "An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn't happen today." Do you think a Cambridge economist will also argue that using % of GDP as a standard measure of things like debt, deficit, interest payments etc is meaningless like you did? Incidentally why are you still bothering to reply if you're so over all this ???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 17:58:10 GMT
Hmmm, which one to give more credence to I wonder? A Cambridge University economist or a poster on a football forum who openly admits to a lack of understanding of financial matters and a biased way of thinking? Tricky ??? Brilliant stuff! With condescending comments like that I can only assume that you are a Labour party member Sifu - Please vote for me but don't try and bore me with your banal working class views. If you hadn't have found an article from a leading left-wing economist who writes for the Guardian I'd never have known that the last Labour government were actually economic geniuses. Thanks for clearing that one up. Fancy you going all 'Huddy' on us. I like how your Cambridge University economist tells us that Labour did borrow more between 2002 and 2007 but is careful to remind us that they didn't spend it on welfare. What a mind! It's like someone saying 'I've just borrowed £1500 and bought a new HD TV but I spent the borrowed money on food'. I suppose that's the end of this 8 page thread then. There's no point in us thick working class football fans wasting any more time on topics like this. We're obviously too stupid to have a view on our economy so, for the love of the nation, don't worry about things you don't understand and vote Labour. Fuck me, you're right. I made the mistake of going to one of the top universities in the world for comment instead of Jesse Ventura like you did.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2014 18:01:00 GMT
The difference is I'm not so blinded by hatred to see both sides, and I've also taken the piss out myself on same threads, I can take a joke. My horse is not high Of course you are, everyone can see that! Very very occasionally you'll start a thread in criticism of the Tories or praise of Labour but hardly ever. And most of the time you start laughable stuff like Labour hates Democracy. I said you wouldn't be able to see it! Actually Luke you are very wrong I like to contribute to them but I rarely start them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 18:03:39 GMT
looking at this with a bit of objectiveness, trawl through the threads over the last few years you will see most of the threads start off with someone knocking the tories for things going wrong, dont get me wrong im more than happy to stand by labour hate democracy thread, the title is tongue in cheek but my point is the left or anti tory leaning people on here start thread after thread every time the tories do somthing and its more than the other way round. ffs no sooner had the conservatives formed government you had people predicting it wouldnt last 6 months, knocking them before they start and thats after brown and blair (who incidentally did some good stuff amongst the very bad). this thread started because the tories have the audacity to start changing inheritance tax laws, the anti tory lot never look at the good they do too, they just have this bling hatred of all thing tory and wont look at the positive. they cant see balance take huddy - the other day he posts this. straight away hes labelled the guy a twat. but actually you could look at it the other way and think actually every minority group has to prove him/herself in employment. blacks in predominatley white employment, women in male dominated etc disabled no different. minorities are already under scrutiny so have to work harder to rise above this, unfair maybe but a lot of truth. you could look at it in the way that he has just told employers "hire someone disabled, because they will work harder for you" now im not saying for one minute that my view is correct, but it offers an alternative and can be shot down in flames, no problem but if people actually sat and looked at the other side for one minute you would get a bit of balance. and on this subject may go some way to getting employers to stop their predjudice and hire disabled people. better than just posting memes which achieve nothing, and after a while just make you look silly I remember when there used to be a sense of humour around here. but to be fair there has never been balance Come on Salop let's face it we are all as bad/good as each other for starting threads supporting our own views ! The fact is the Tory's are in government at the moment so they are there to be shot at ( not literally before you accuse me of encouraging violence ) Anyway I rather enjoy the debates on here and obviously I am right ( or left in this case ) and you are wrong ( or right in this case ) Exactly so. Some people do get very precious about it all though, even resorting to name calling and abuse, ring a ding ding!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 18:06:32 GMT
Of course you are, everyone can see that! Very very occasionally you'll start a thread in criticism of the Tories or praise of Labour but hardly ever. And most of the time you start laughable stuff like Labour hates Democracy. I said you wouldn't be able to see it! Actually Luke you are very wrong I like to contribute to them but I rarely start them Bollocks, just admit it for once and be done with it! You're all over these Labour hating threads like a rash, starting some, posting regularly in all of them, defending the Tories at every opportunity, attacking Labour equally often, balanced you aint! In response you'll probably start a couple of anti-Tory or pro-Labour threads in the six months leading up to the election to try to look fairer, but it fools no-one, you've got your colours nailed firmly to the Tory mast just like I am no Tory
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 18:31:40 GMT
Well despite promising that borrowing would fall, Gideon has actually borrowed more than ever. Is that simple enough for you to understand? Obviously not simple enough for you to understand... Oh dear....Osborne has had to borrow more this year than he did last year but is still below Labour's 2009 spend fest. It's from the Guardian too so Sifu will be well pleased. Yeah, loving your work! And Osborne's borrowing is still about two and a half times what Labour was borrowing in 2007/08, pre financial crisis and recession (unlike your 2009 figure which is very much financial crisis and recession!) Incidentally, the 2007-08 value was 5bn lower than what was borrowed in 2004/05. Hardly out of control was it! Kind of goes to show precisely the impact the financial crisis and recession had really doesn't it, unless you really think the increased borrowing was purely to fund some vanity public sector non-jobs like some bright sparks on here do:
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 22, 2014 20:34:55 GMT
Well despite promising that borrowing would fall, Gideon has actually borrowed more than ever. Is that simple enough for you to understand? Brilliant. As suspected, you haven't got a clue. What that graph shows is debt. Not borrowing. In simple terms, if you borrowed £100 last year, but this year you only borrowed £50, your debt has risen to £150, but your borrowing is halved. The UK is reducing what it borrows, but it still needs to borrow something, so the debt rises, albeit at a slightly slower rate than before (as your graph does show). This is the best we can hope for following the catastrophic Gordon Brown tenure as chancellor, and hopefully future governments won't make the same mistakes and we can start to reduce the debt someday. Hopefully this little meme will help you understand a bit better...
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 23, 2014 0:56:11 GMT
Brilliant. As suspected, you haven't got a clue. What that graph shows is debt. Not borrowing. In simple terms, if you borrowed £100 last year, but this year you only borrowed £50, your debt has risen to £150, but your borrowing is halved. The UK is reducing what it borrows, but it still needs to borrow something, so the debt rises, albeit at a slightly slower rate than before (as your graph does show). This is the best we can hope for following the catastrophic Gordon Brown tenure as chancellor, and hopefully future governments won't make the same mistakes and we can start to reduce the debt someday. Hopefully this little meme will help you understand a bit better... Yeah, probably best you stick to posting pictures to save yourself from further embarrassment. Ps your picture doesn't know the difference between borrowing and debt either.
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Post by mcf on Oct 23, 2014 6:31:17 GMT
Pathetic....and I see you've tried the same pathetic script on squareball too. Why say more when both of you can be summed in so few words? You said you had limited understanding which I imagine doesn't apply to someone from Cambridge Uni! I suppose at the very least you have to admire your chutzpah for thinking you know better! Well, for someone so fucking clever you would have thought he would have the answers or some kind of proposal for the future wouldn't you? Yet, he says fuck all on that matter. Even you have your Scandanavian dream world.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 23, 2014 7:03:25 GMT
It's funny someone with such insight into financial matters openly parroted the line that public sector services had increased in quality and quantity by 30% without a hint of irony or biased thinking. But this is even better an economist said it so it must be right, what is it they say "An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn't happen today." Do you think a Cambridge economist will also argue that using % of GDP as a standard measure of things like debt, deficit, interest payments etc is meaningless like you did? Incidentally why are you still bothering to reply if you're so over all this ??? Perhaps you should ask him you seem to be his self appointed spokesman, while we're at it get him to explain to you how the quantity and quality of public services increased by a third it might be just London but I didn't notice my bins being emptied a third better, my roads being emptied a third better, the street lighting being a third better etc etc etc. I said I was done engaging with you, the post you chose to reply to was one in response to mcf, your childish you said this x years ago response kinda proves my point.
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Post by mcf on Oct 23, 2014 7:03:51 GMT
Obviously not simple enough for you to understand... Oh dear....Osborne has had to borrow more this year than he did last year but is still below Labour's 2009 spend fest. It's from the Guardian too so Sifu will be well pleased. Yeah, loving your work! And Osborne's borrowing is still about two and a half times what Labour was borrowing in 2007/08, pre financial crisis and recession (unlike your 2009 figure which is very much financial crisis and recession!) Incidentally, the 2007-08 value was 5bn lower than what was borrowed in 2004/05. Hardly out of control was it! Kind of goes to show precisely the impact the financial crisis and recession had really doesn't it, unless you really think the increased borrowing was purely to fund some vanity public sector non-jobs like some bright sparks on here do: Depends how you define 'out of control'. It may not have been 'spiralling' but it was certaintly consisently higher than it needed to be hence we entered the crisis with a structural defict that was one of the highest in the entire developed world. All Osborne's figures show is a mockery of these supposed spending cuts.
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Post by mcf on Oct 23, 2014 7:10:09 GMT
Do you think a Cambridge economist will also argue that using % of GDP as a standard measure of things like debt, deficit, interest payments etc is meaningless like you did? Incidentally why are you still bothering to reply if you're so over all this ??? Perhaps you should ask him you seem to be his self appointed spokesman, while we're at it get him to explain to you how the quantity and quality of public services increased by a third it might be just London but I didn't notice my bins being emptied a third better, my roads being emptied a third better, the street lighting being a third better etc etc etc. I said I was done engaging with you, the post you chose to reply to was one in response to mcf, your childish you said this x years ago response kinda proves my point. That sums a lot of it up FYD We could make out as though Lukey was a thick twat hardly worth bothering with on the basis that he once told us PFI added 9% to the debt and what was it he once told you...something like that 'tax receipts didn't affect the debt' .... but constantly digging such errors up would just be childish, pointless, daft etc etc
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Post by mcf on Oct 23, 2014 7:12:32 GMT
Brilliant. As suspected, you haven't got a clue. What that graph shows is debt. Not borrowing. In simple terms, if you borrowed £100 last year, but this year you only borrowed £50, your debt has risen to £150, but your borrowing is halved. The UK is reducing what it borrows, but it still needs to borrow something, so the debt rises, albeit at a slightly slower rate than before (as your graph does show). This is the best we can hope for following the catastrophic Gordon Brown tenure as chancellor, and hopefully future governments won't make the same mistakes and we can start to reduce the debt someday. Hopefully this little meme will help you understand a bit better... In all seriousness, what is your point? Isn't he doing exactly what you wanted....cutting less?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 23, 2014 8:51:31 GMT
Hopefully this little meme will help you understand a bit better... Yeah, probably best you stick to posting pictures to save yourself from further embarrassment. Ps your picture doesn't know the difference between borrowing and debt either. It's ok...you clearly don't and never will understand the basic principles of economics. PS if Gideon is doing such a great job how come you don't live here?
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Post by redstriper on Oct 23, 2014 8:58:50 GMT
Yeah, probably best you stick to posting pictures to save yourself from further embarrassment. Ps your picture doesn't know the difference between borrowing and debt either. It's ok...you clearly don't and never will understand the basic principles of economics. PS if Gideon is doing such a great job how come you don't live here? The fact that the creator of the article you've posted huddy cannot even spell "global" says it all.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 23, 2014 9:32:23 GMT
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