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Post by Robo10 on Sept 24, 2014 18:41:06 GMT
Just watched the program pre League Cup footy, it really is phenomenal what Clough achieved there during what was a golden era of English football
To get promoted from Div 2 (1977), to then win the First Division (Prem) the next year, and then win 2 European Cups in successive years, the Euro Super Cup, a League Cup all in the space of 4 years is amazing and never ever to be repeated
He might have waned towards the end of his career, but Clough was an exceptional manager supported by Peter Taylor.
On the program - the week before the second final, he took them to Majorca, told them no training, just go out and get pissed, have a good time, enjoy it, just be ready for the game! Cant imagine a manager now doing that lol with SSN following them around
Even Derby won the league with him in 72!
Also amazing that after he and Peter Taylor fell out, he only won 2 league cups from 82-93 (and an epic FA Cup Final defeat - Gazza injury etc)
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 24, 2014 18:48:55 GMT
To get promoted from Div 2 (1977), to then win the First Division (Prem) the next year, and then win 2 European Cups in successive years, the Euro Super Cup, a League Cup all in the space of 4 years is amazing and never ever to be repeated With how money is now it's as close to impossible you can get for that to happen again. Nevertheless it's a fantastic achievement but based on Clough's record without Taylor, I don't think Taylor gets enough recognition. |
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 24, 2014 18:56:43 GMT
Could you imagine Aston Villa winning the league and then the European Cup nowadays?
Even Liverpool is a pipe dream - the league is owned by Manchester both and Chelsea now.
Arsenal bridesmaids too but always potential to win it
Clubs like Spuds/Everton best they can hope for is Europe/FA Cup
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Sept 24, 2014 19:04:21 GMT
Just watched the program pre League Cup footy, it really is phenomenal what Clough achieved there during what was a golden era of English football To get promoted from Div 2 (1977), to then win the First Division (Prem) the next year, and then win 2 European Cups in successive years, the Euro Super Cup, a League Cup all in the space of 4 years is amazing and never ever to be repeated He might have waned towards the end of his career, but Clough was an exceptional manager supported by Peter Taylor. On the program - the week before the second final, he took them to Majorca, told them no training, just go out and get pissed, have a good time, enjoy it, just be ready for the game! Cant imagine a manager now doing that lol with SSN following them around Even Derby won the league with him in 72! Also amazing that after he and Peter Taylor fell out, he only won 2 league cups from 82-93 (and an epic FA Cup Final defeat - Gazza injury etc) I get kind of fed up hearing about it after living and working in nottingham for 12 years but when you look at the bare facts it really was the most amazing feat. God imagine if it was us. I would be banging on about it the rest of my life. |
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Post by Davef on Sept 24, 2014 19:07:59 GMT
He was invited to Amsterdam by Waddo when we played Ajax not long after Leeds sacked him and in a reciprocal gesture invited Waddo to sit on the bench at one of Forest's European Cup ties (it might even have been a final).
He clearly remembered that gesture and retained a measure of respect for Stoke, so much so that he got out of the dug out at the Victoria Ground during a 4-1 win and bollocked his own fans because they were taunting us during the 84/85 season!
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 24, 2014 19:11:14 GMT
Just imagine what England might have done.....
Ron fecking Greenwood...West Ham connection....some things never change!
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 24, 2014 19:13:35 GMT
They beat Ajax in the 1980 semi - won 2-0 at home but lost 1-0 away, remember the mental in the stands from program just thinking it looked ace in the terracing!
The other thing was the empty seats at the finals - tough tough times economically but not Uefa gravy train or TV overexposure back then
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Post by greenbaize on Sept 25, 2014 0:18:06 GMT
I remember when they played defending champions liverpoo in the European cup second round they won first leg 2 0 at home and on the bus on the way for the second leg Cloughie thought his players were very nervous so he ordered them all to have a couple of beers to calm them down, boring nil nil draw and the 2 times winners were out, imagine the headlines if a story got out like that nowadays.
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Sept 25, 2014 6:32:09 GMT
He was invited to Amsterdam by Waddo when we played Ajax not long after Leeds sacked him and in a reciprocal gesture invited Waddo to sit on the bench at one of Forest's European Cup ties (it might even have been a final). He clearly remembered that gesture and retained a measure of respect for Stoke, so much so that he got out of the dug out at the Victoria Ground during a 4-1 win and bollocked his own fans because they were taunting us during the 84/85 season! I seem to remember Cloughie bollocking the Home support for having a go at Bill Asprey. Didn't a certain David Riley score in the same match? Later of Port Vale. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 25, 2014 7:17:32 GMT
Now I'm going to sound like a twat here, what's new?  But he did spend a lot of money, relatively, Fashnu, Francis are two I can remember. I loved Cloughie but let's not forget he didn't do it on a shoestring at Forest or Derby. But the OP is right it's unlikely a team coming up would win the league. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 25, 2014 7:24:33 GMT
Now I'm going to sound like a twat here, what's new? But he did spend a lot of money, relatively, Fashnu, Francis are two I can remember. I loved Cloughie but let's not forget he didn't do it on a shoestring at Forest or Derby. But the OP is right it's unlikely a team coming up would win the league. Clough was very open and joked a lot about how crap he was at buying strikers. Francis was probably his best striker purchase. Ian Wallace and Fashanu his worst. His view wasn't helped by Peter Taylor advising him a young striker at Chester was't worth pursuing. The Chester striker was...... Ian Rush!!!! Whatever became of him? |
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Post by apb1 on Sept 25, 2014 7:35:57 GMT
I don't think he spent much on the way up though.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 25, 2014 10:57:37 GMT
With Clough as England manager instead of Revie I think Hudson would have got a few more caps although Huddy wasn't the archetypal Clough player.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 11:01:03 GMT
He was invited to Amsterdam by Waddo when we played Ajax not long after Leeds sacked him and in a reciprocal gesture invited Waddo to sit on the bench at one of Forest's European Cup ties (it might even have been a final). He clearly remembered that gesture and retained a measure of respect for Stoke, so much so that he got out of the dug out at the Victoria Ground during a 4-1 win and bollocked his own fans because they were taunting us during the 84/85 season! I never knew that, that's fantastic.  |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 25, 2014 11:01:36 GMT
If Clough and Taylor had managed England, would we have won a trophy?
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 25, 2014 11:02:52 GMT
If Clough and Taylor had managed England, would we have won a trophy? In my opinion no |
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 25, 2014 12:09:56 GMT
Forest won one league and 2 champions leagues !!!!!!! that statistic alone shows the measure of such an achievement. Juve had to win the Italian league for something like 700 times prior to winning their first ever champions league with a non-existent penalty in a final which should have never been played. cloughie is certainly one of teh all-time greats
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 25, 2014 22:53:09 GMT
Forest won one league and 2 champions leagues !!!!!!! that statistic alone shows the measure of such an achievement. Juve had to win the Italian league for something like 700 times prior to winning their first ever champions league with a non-existent penalty in a final which should have never been played. cloughie is certainly one of teh all-time greats He is undoubtedly. The most frustrating thing is he went on too long. He did tarnish his legacy somewhat. |
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Post by burge2u on Sept 25, 2014 23:37:46 GMT
Could you imagine Aston Villa winning the league and then the European Cup nowadays? Even Liverpool is a pipe dream - the league is owned by Manchester both and Chelsea now. Arsenal bridesmaids too but always potential to win it Clubs like Spuds/Everton best they can hope for is Europe/FA Cup And this is exactly the reason why we should continue to field our strongest possible side in the League Cup,..... a genuine chance of some silverware for us this season. |
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 26, 2014 5:00:18 GMT
Could you imagine Aston Villa winning the league and then the European Cup nowadays? Even Liverpool is a pipe dream - the league is owned by Manchester both and Chelsea now. Arsenal bridesmaids too but always potential to win it Clubs like Spuds/Everton best they can hope for is Europe/FA Cup And this is exactly the reason why we should continue to field our strongest possible side in the League Cup,..... a genuine chance of some silverware for us this season. perfectly in agreement |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Sept 26, 2014 12:15:27 GMT
He was invited to Amsterdam by Waddo when we played Ajax not long after Leeds sacked him and in a reciprocal gesture invited Waddo to sit on the bench at one of Forest's European Cup ties (it might even have been a final). He clearly remembered that gesture and retained a measure of respect for Stoke, so much so that he got out of the dug out at the Victoria Ground during a 4-1 win and bollocked his own fans because they were taunting us during the 84/85 season! I always liked how he referred to us as "our friends up the river". |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 26, 2014 13:05:18 GMT
Remember, Clough gets viewed as a national treasure these days for his ouspoken manner. He could be funny charming and often hit the nail on the head. BUT he could also be rude and obnoxious. There were times when he was embarrassingly bad.
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 26, 2014 15:13:18 GMT
I dunno Joe
I base my management style at work on it :-)
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 27, 2014 7:01:35 GMT
I dunno Joe I base my management style at work on it :-) Have you spat on anyone? |
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 27, 2014 7:41:18 GMT
Only in their tea... :-D
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 27, 2014 7:44:42 GMT
Have you told anyone you don't like their wife? |
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 27, 2014 7:52:25 GMT
That would be telling!
Havent clipped a customer around the ear yet though
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But he did spend a lot of money, relatively, Fashnu, Francis are two I can remember. I loved Cloughie but let's not forget he didn't do it on a shoestring at Forest or Derby. 
