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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2014 21:20:24 GMT
Having seen us win away tonight against essentially a full strength premier league side with just one defensive mid is it fair to suggest this is the way forward for us? At least at home against average opposition ie Newcastle is it really necessary to have two holding mids who offer little going forward? It seems a serious option now given we have an abundance of creative mids in Adam, Ireland and Bojan. Even Diouf at City has shown he can play behind the front man and do some of the dirty work. We've conceded less tonight with just the one defensive midfielder than we did against arguably a worse side in QPR on Sunday. Thoughts?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 23, 2014 21:31:11 GMT
Having seen us win away tonight against essentially a full strength premier league side with just one defensive mid is it fair to suggest this is the way forward for us? At least at home against average opposition ie Newcastle is it really necessary to have two holding mids who offer little going forward? It seems a serious option now given we have an abundance of creative mids in Adam, Ireland and Bojan. Even Diouf at City has shown he can play behind the front man and do some of the dirty work. We've conceded less tonight with just the one defensive midfielder than we did against arguably a worse side in QPR on Sunday. Thoughts?
It seemed to me that we didn't play with any defensive mid this evening, there was a gaping huge hole in front of the centre backs this evening.
Don't forget Butland is getting loads of plaudits for keeping us in it tonight.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 23, 2014 21:34:55 GMT
Simple answer is 'no'.
A decent Premier League midfield (not S'land's team tonight) would stroll through a combinaton of Adam, Ireland and Bojan. All three are 'bit part' players who need a lot of back up.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 23, 2014 21:35:22 GMT
We certainly looked like we missed Whelan from what I saw (missed 1st 15 mins sorting out stream) - if we do only play one, it would have to be him. Would that mean dropping the Fonz? Surely not!
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Post by fca47 on Sept 23, 2014 21:37:09 GMT
We've only got one defensive midfielder anyway. Nzonzi doesn't defend.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 23, 2014 21:37:53 GMT
Having seen us win away tonight against essentially a full strength premier league side with just one defensive mid is it fair to suggest this is the way forward for us? At least at home against average opposition ie Newcastle is it really necessary to have two holding mids who offer little going forward? It seems a serious option now given we have an abundance of creative mids in Adam, Ireland and Bojan. Even Diouf at City has shown he can play behind the front man and do some of the dirty work. We've conceded less tonight with just the one defensive midfielder than we did against arguably a worse side in QPR on Sunday. Thoughts?
It seemed to me that we didn't play with any defensive mid this evening, there was a gaping huge hole in front of the centre backs this evening.
Don't forget Butland is getting loads of plaudits for keeping us in it tonight.
We normally only have one defensive midfielder (Whelan) plus a box to box player - usually NZonzi. The OP forgets that Sunderland are one of the worst teams in the Prem on current form. We played well and should have scored more but a better side than Sunderland would probably have scored another goal or two with our cbs badly missing the cover that Whelan + a box to box player usually provides. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 23, 2014 21:42:01 GMT
It must be a middle three of 1. Whelan and 2. N'Zonzi/Sidwell(or Adam at a stretch) and 3. Ireland/Bojan/Adam. That Glenn has no competition (Cameron maybe when he comes back?) is a worry as he is one of those players you only miss when he is not there.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 23, 2014 21:42:46 GMT
Sunderland made seven changes and the back four had next to no protection.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2014 21:43:24 GMT
It seemed to me that we didn't play with any defensive mid this evening, there was a gaping huge hole in front of the centre backs this evening.
Don't forget Butland is getting loads of plaudits for keeping us in it tonight.
We normally only have one defensive midfielder (Whelan) plus a box to box player - usually NZonzi. The OP forgets that Sunderland are one of the worst teams in the Prem on current form. We played well and should have scored more but a better side than Sunderland would probably have scored another goal or two with our cbs badly missing the cover that Whelan + a box to box player usually provides. And QPR aren't? If Nzonzi is our box to box midfielder then don't serious questions need to be asked about what he's bringing to the table? Adam has to have a run of games that's for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 21:44:23 GMT
At home we only need one. But away it's working perfectly fine
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2014 21:45:01 GMT
We've only got one defensive midfielder anyway. Nzonzi doesn't defend. Well then what the fucks he doing because he's clueless going forward as we already know from previous years. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 23, 2014 21:45:58 GMT
Once we were in front I thought Nzonzi was excellent at making sure we kept the ball. He had a good game tonight I thought.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Sept 23, 2014 21:48:34 GMT
NZonzi, as our 'box to box' midfielder has found himself in fantastic scoring positions on at least half a dozen occasions already this season. The trouble is, his shooting has been dreadful in those positions and Charlie certainly has the edge on him in that respect.
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Post by burge2u on Sept 23, 2014 21:49:02 GMT
We've only got one defensive midfielder anyway. Nzonzi doesn't defend. Very true |
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 23, 2014 21:49:28 GMT
We've only got one defensive midfielder anyway. Nzonzi doesn't defend. Well then what the fucks he doing because he's clueless going forward as we already know from previous years. Such short memories. He was outstanding at Man City and certainly didn't play badly at QPR He's more comfortable in possession than many of our players and whilst he might not be the most adventurous passer he is very efficient. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2014 21:49:42 GMT
Sunderland made seven changes and the back four had next to no protection. You're exaggerating. They made changes but like our changes it didn't weaken them significantly. It was a team composed with a spine of players who have played for years at this level. Their main forwards in Altidore and Johnson played didn't they Rob? Isn't Rodwell their main man in midfield too? He was noticeably anonymous. Butland made a couple of good saves but we created far more and on another night could have had 4 or 5. We also dominated possession for large spells. We were a joy to watch at time and Muniesa is a delight to watch. We also saw tonight that Diouf can be effective with and without Crouch. |
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Post by upthefud on Sept 23, 2014 21:50:25 GMT
Look at Leicester vs United
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 23, 2014 21:55:18 GMT
Sunderland made seven changes and the back four had next to no protection. You're exaggerating. They made changes but like our changes it didn't weaken them significantly. It was a team composed with a spine of players who have played for years at this level. Their main forwards in Altidore and Johnson played didn't they Rob? Isn't Rodwell their main man in midfield too? He was noticeably anonymous. Butland made a couple of good saves but we created far more and on another night could have had 4 or 5. We also dominated possession for large spells. We were a joy to watch at time and Muniesa is a delight to watch. We also saw tonight that Diouf can be effective with and without Crouch. They literally made seven changes and Altidore has shown himself to be a bag of wank. How is that exaggerating? I thought Diouf again didn't convince as a lone striker. It was a good and encouraging team performance despite a few dodgy individual ones. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2014 21:55:22 GMT
NZonzi, as our 'box to box' midfielder has found himself in fantastic scoring positions on at least half a dozen occasions already this season. The trouble is, his shooting has been dreadful in those positions and Charlie certainly has the edge on him in that respect. Yeah Charlie seemed to have a disciplined role tonight as he rarely ventured forward. Ireland was given licence out of the two to get forward but I felt Ireland was pretty shit tbf. Bottled a number of challenges and was generally pretty clueless in possession. It's a shame it wasn't Adam's left foot going through the ball instead of Assaidi's in the first half. |
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Post by steve66 on Sept 23, 2014 21:55:34 GMT
Whatever we play it pisses me off when both Nzonzi and Whelan come back together to take the ball off a defender and just play exactly the same ball that the defender could play! One should always be higher up the pitch, alternating would be fine or just let the defender do his job and keep both high up the pitch!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2014 22:02:41 GMT
You're exaggerating. They made changes but like our changes it didn't weaken them significantly. It was a team composed with a spine of players who have played for years at this level. Their main forwards in Altidore and Johnson played didn't they Rob? Isn't Rodwell their main man in midfield too? He was noticeably anonymous. Butland made a couple of good saves but we created far more and on another night could have had 4 or 5. We also dominated possession for large spells. We were a joy to watch at time and Muniesa is a delight to watch. We also saw tonight that Diouf can be effective with and without Crouch. They literally made seven changes and Altidore has shown himself to be a bag of wank. How is that exaggerating? I thought Diouf again didn't convince as a lone striker. It was a good and encouraging team performance despite a few dodgy individual ones. I'm not denying they made the changes but it was still a team made up of premier league players and it was a starting xi that consisted of their main core of players and certainly not significantly worse than the likes of Leicester and QPR both of which weve failed to beat. Ireland's service to Diouf was hopeless tonight but I felt Mame got into good areas throughout and got as involved as he could given Ireland and Arnie were creating very little for him. He won countless free kicks in the first half and noticeably won a surprising amount in the air. The Assaidi/Muniesa partnership was outstanding and was causing Sunderland problems throughout the game. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 23, 2014 22:04:44 GMT
They literally made seven changes and Altidore has shown himself to be a bag of wank. How is that exaggerating? I thought Diouf again didn't convince as a lone striker. It was a good and encouraging team performance despite a few dodgy individual ones. I'm not denying they made the changes but it was still a team made up of premier league players and it was a starting xi that consisted of their main core of players and certainly not significantly worse than the likes of Leicester and QPR. Ireland's service to Diouf was hopeless tonight but I felt Mame got into good areas throughout and got as involved as he could given Ireland and Arnie were creating very little for him. He won countless free kicks in the first half and noticeably won a surprising amount in the air. The Assaidi/Muniesa partnership was outstanding and was causing Sunderland problems throughout the game. They were not 'full strength' as you suggested though were they? I'm a big Diouf fan but I thought again it didn't stick to him up front. Assaidi and Muniesa were fantastic going forward but a bit loose defensively. |
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Post by unknown182 on Sept 23, 2014 22:11:05 GMT
I'd love to see Muniesa given a shot there. He can tackle, pass and dribble with the ball as good as any of our midfielders. He gets beaten by runs in behind him at full back occasionally but that wouldn't be as much of an issue if he was sitting in fron of the back four.
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