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Post by starkiller on Sept 28, 2014 19:29:55 GMT
If you are starting to get confused by who is doing what, why, where or how in the Middle East then one Daily Mail reader, known as Aubrey Bailey, has made it ‘Clear As Mud’ with the following:
“Are you confused by what is going on in the Middle-East? Let me explain. We support the Iraqi government in its fight against Islamic State (IS/ISIL/ISIS). We don’t like IS but IS is supported by Saudi Arabia whom we do like. We don’t like President Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but not IS, which is also fighting against him.
“We don’t like Iran, but the Iranian government supports the Iraqi gov’t against IS. So, some of our friends support our enemies and some of our enemies are our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting our other enemies, whom we don’t want to lose, but we don’t our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.
“If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they might be replaced by people we like even less. And, all this was started by us invading a country to drive out terrorists who weren’t actually there until we went in to drive them out – do you understand now?”
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 28, 2014 19:39:04 GMT
What was the name of that bloke we didn't like in the 1970s? That Shah of Iran bloke..bit of an extremist..so we got rid of him and got that other bloke in..the one with the beard..you know that Ayatollah Khomeini bloke..turns out right...he was even bloody worse!!
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 29, 2014 8:21:50 GMT
What was the name of that bloke we didn't like in the 1970s? That Shah of Iran bloke..bit of an extremist..so we got rid of him and got that other bloke in..the one with the beard..you know that Ayatollah Khomeini bloke..turns out right...he was even bloody worse!! In 1953 with help from the CIA we toppled a democratically-elected socialist government that wanted to nationalise Iran's oil supply (the precursor to BP wasn't happy and went crying to mummy Westminster). We replaced said government with? Yep, the Shah. And we wonder why Iranian governments are always so uncooperative, and why Iranian people call our leaders liars and hypocrites.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 29, 2014 8:39:08 GMT
What was the name of that bloke we didn't like in the 1970s? That Shah of Iran bloke..bit of an extremist..so we got rid of him and got that other bloke in..the one with the beard..you know that Ayatollah Khomeini bloke..turns out right...he was even bloody worse!! In 1953 with help from the CIA we toppled a democratically-elected socialist government that wanted to nationalise Iran's oil supply (the precursor to BP wasn't happy and went crying to mummy Westminster). We replaced said government with? Yep, the Shah. And we wonder why Iranian governments are always so uncooperative, and why Iranian people call our leaders liars and hypocrites. Sadly that's an uncomfortable truth for some on here...
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 29, 2014 9:52:01 GMT
In 1953 with help from the CIA we toppled a democratically-elected socialist government that wanted to nationalise Iran's oil supply (the precursor to BP wasn't happy and went crying to mummy Westminster). We replaced said government with? Yep, the Shah. And we wonder why Iranian governments are always so uncooperative, and why Iranian people call our leaders liars and hypocrites. Sadly that's an uncomfortable truth for some on here... Perhaps The West is simply desperately stupid and unimaginative, perpetually assuming that blowing seven shades of shit out of absolutely everything will bring about peace and stability, somehow contriving to forget the countless lessons from history that suggest otherwise. Or perhaps our leaders are cynically weaving the same old manipulative yarn time and again, relying on the complicity of the media and the amnesia of the electorate to keep the wheels of the military-industrial complex turning. I don't know which one it is but it's pretty scary either way.
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Sept 29, 2014 22:02:19 GMT
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 30, 2014 0:11:21 GMT
Funny isn't it how the right wing element seem to abandon this thread when even their little poster boy Farage announces that dropping bombs on Iraq/Syria is a monumentally stupid idea.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 30, 2014 12:57:22 GMT
Funny isn't it how the right wing element seem to abandon this thread when even their little poster boy Farage announces that dropping bombs on Iraq/Syria is a monumentally stupid idea. I'm not sure if it's the right thing to do or not to be honest, time will tell I suppose. One thing I find funny though is other than giving history lessons the left offer no alternative solutions. I assume they must think doing nothing is the answer? And lets not forget that it was a Labour government who last went into Iraq and it's Obama leading the charge this time! If the do gooders had let the US help the Iraqi people overthrow Saddam after the 1st Gulf war, then I'm sure they'd be in a much better state than they are now.
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 30, 2014 13:13:08 GMT
Funny isn't it how the right wing element seem to abandon this thread when even their little poster boy Farage announces that dropping bombs on Iraq/Syria is a monumentally stupid idea. I'm not sure if it's the right thing to do or not to be honest, time will tell I suppose. One thing I find funny though is other than giving history lessons the left offer no alternative solutions. I assume they must think doing nothing is the answer? And lets not forget that it was a Labour government who last went into Iraq and it's Obama leading the charge this time! If the do gooders had let the US help the Iraqi people overthrow Saddam after the 1st Gulf war, then I'm sure they'd be in a much better state than they are now. I shouldn't have written "right wing"; "gung ho" would've been a better choice of language because as you correctly point out, war isn't a left/right issue. Plenty of right wingers have opposed wars and plenty of left wingers have gone in all guns blazing. My bad. I don't think anyone really knows the correct course of action but if the history lessons teach us one thing, it's which course of action categorically WON'T work in the long run. Namely, blowing the shit out of everything.
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