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Post by silverdollar on Sept 21, 2014 12:49:47 GMT
Just two minutes to go and QPR get a direct free kick with Krancjar standing over the ball. One of the best keepers in the country is guarding the right side of the goal and the wall is protecting Bergovic's left side. Tell me why we cannot use Crouch to stand just inside that post? Surely he would have been able to head the shot and save the goal. The danger would have been surely negated.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 21, 2014 12:59:18 GMT
Just two minutes to go and QPR get a direct free kick with Krancjar standing over the ball. One of the best keepers in the country is guarding the right side of the goal and the wall is protecting Bergovic's left side. Tell me why we cannot use Crouch to stand just inside that post? Surely he would have been able to head the shot and save the goal. The danger would have been surely negated. Because you then invite the whole opposition team to crowd the keeper without having to worry about offside. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 13:01:34 GMT
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 21, 2014 13:30:00 GMT
The must frustrating thing was that Whelan would have probably blocked the ball so Sidwell did not have to lunge in , Having said that , I don't get Bego's starting position , seemed to be inviting Krancjar to put the ball exactly where he did
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 13:31:02 GMT
The must frustrating thing was that Whelan would have probably blocked the ball so Sidwell did not have to lunge in , Having said that , I don't get Bego's starting position , seemed to be inviting Krancjar to put the ball exactly where he did I thought that. He just seemed to be too far to the side he was. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 21, 2014 13:34:29 GMT
The must frustrating thing was that Whelan would have probably blocked the ball so Sidwell did not have to lunge in , Having said that , I don't get Bego's starting position , seemed to be inviting Krancjar to put the ball exactly where he did I read a few folks yesterday also saying Bego's starting position was all wrong. So I was a little surprised when I saw it on MOTD last night to see that Bego only did what most keepers do which is to stand on the side of the goal which the wall is not supposedly covering. Had he stood near enough the to where the ball ended up to actually stop it then had Krancjar simply knocked in to the opposite side of an unguarded net would Bego not have got even more panned? A sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't situation  |
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Post by silverdollar on Sept 21, 2014 14:16:51 GMT
I totally understand that if Crouch is on the line the offside decision is less likely but so what? Isn't this more to the strength of the Stoke team rather than letting them have the free shot from a deadly accurate exponent of the free kick?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 21, 2014 14:21:26 GMT
The must frustrating thing was that Whelan would have probably blocked the ball so Sidwell did not have to lunge in , Having said that , I don't get Bego's starting position , seemed to be inviting Krancjar to put the ball exactly where he did I thought that. He just seemed to be too far to the side he was. Said the same thing yesterday. Poor positioning for me. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 14:22:57 GMT
The must frustrating thing was that Whelan would have probably blocked the ball so Sidwell did not have to lunge in , Having said that , I don't get Bego's starting position , seemed to be inviting Krancjar to put the ball exactly where he did I read a few folks yesterday also saying Bego's starting position was all wrong. So I was a little surprised when I saw it on MOTD last night to see that Bego only did what most keepers do which is to stand on the side of the goal which the wall is not supposedly covering. Had he stood near enough the to where the ball ended up to actually stop it then had Krancjar simply knocked in to the opposite side of an unguarded net would Bego not have got even more panned? A sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't situation Of course he has to stand to that side but for me he's too far over to that side. Gives himself no chance. |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 21, 2014 14:24:59 GMT
I remember Ian Harte used to wait till the player was running up then ran back to the line.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 21, 2014 14:33:36 GMT
Gordon Banks was on about this today and he reckons keepers should line up two small walls and stand in the centre of the goal.
I can see what he means, while Bego didn't do anything wrong by the book yesterday, keepers doing that are effectively giving players somewhere to aim for.
In Banksy's words Bego got "done" and he said he'll be speaking to him about his idea.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 14:44:23 GMT
Jesus H Christ
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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 21, 2014 14:51:29 GMT
Gordon Banks was on about this today and he reckons keepers should line up two small walls and stand in the centre of the goal. I can see what he means, while Bego didn't do anything wrong by the book yesterday, keepers doing that are effectively giving players somewhere to aim for. In Banksy's words Bego got "done" and he said he'll be speaking to him about his idea. I thought Bego gave NK too much to aim for to be honest. He was too far left of the goal |
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Post by Northy on Sept 21, 2014 14:57:49 GMT
Why was crouch at the end of the wall and not in direct line with the ball  |
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 21, 2014 17:00:53 GMT
Why was crouch at the end of the wall and not in direct line with the ball Because then someone would say, "Why wasn't Crouch the 3rd (2nd, 4th, etc) player in the wall?" I blame the draw on Sidwell! Waste of space so far. |
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Post by Northy on Sept 21, 2014 18:45:49 GMT
Why was crouch at the end of the wall and not in direct line with the ball Because then someone would say, "Why wasn't Crouch the 3rd (2nd, 4th, etc) player in the wall?" I blame the draw on Sidwell! Waste of space so far. Nobody knew where the ball was going |
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Post by NassauDave on Sept 21, 2014 21:13:10 GMT
Because then someone would say, "Why wasn't Crouch the 3rd (2nd, 4th, etc) player in the wall?" I blame the draw on Sidwell! Waste of space so far. Nobody knew where the ball was going Except that Krankjar is right footed and it was a dead cert that it was going to go to Bego's left. By the way, did anyone else hear Clive Allen as he kept mispronouncing Begovic's name? He even called him Eyal Berkovic. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 21, 2014 23:13:06 GMT
Gordon Banks was on about this today and he reckons keepers should line up two small walls and stand in the centre of the goal. I can see what he means, while Bego didn't do anything wrong by the book yesterday, keepers doing that are effectively giving players somewhere to aim for. In Banksy's words Bego got "done" and he said he'll be speaking to him about his idea. Thanks Jamo. I thought of this idea years ago but thought there must be a reason why nobody uses it! Two small walls covering each corner. Keeper stands in the middle. Why not? |
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Post by jarhead on Sept 21, 2014 23:23:24 GMT
A free kick at that time and in that position then a keeper of Asmirs talent should be stood in the middle of his goal giving him the best chance to dive to his left or right to save the shot.
Poor goalkeeping Again has cost us but the main culprit is Sidwell for lunging in when no need to and he came on to use his experience but he dived in like a youngster ffs!
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Post by coates on Sept 21, 2014 23:23:40 GMT
End of the day the keeper has their side of the goal, the wall guards the other side. If the wall jumps and the ball ends up right in the corner there isn't much the keeper can do.
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Post by bambered on Sept 22, 2014 7:32:11 GMT
End of the day the keeper has their side of the goal, the wall guards the other side. If the wall jumps and the ball ends up right in the corner there isn't much the keeper can do. This! To be fair it was the perfect free kick. 'Postage stamp' top right hand corner. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 7:53:28 GMT
I still don't get now a seasoned pro like sidwell who as seen it all in the prem decided that kranjcar who was on his weaker foot needed taking out rashly like that!! For me that's as bad a tackle as pennant v Everton last season. Pathetic challenge. Whether bego is to much to one side I dunno I'm not a keeper but the free kick should have been avoided
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 22, 2014 9:19:59 GMT
I still don't get now a seasoned pro like sidwell who as seen it all in the prem decided that kranjcar who was on his weaker foot needed taking out rashly like that!! For me that's as bad a tackle as pennant v Everton last season. Pathetic challenge. Whether bego is to much to one side I dunno I'm not a keeper but the free kick should have been avoided Agree. It was crazy and costly. Too much flying into tackles. It's flawed for so many reasons. |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 22, 2014 9:32:07 GMT
I still don't get now a seasoned pro like sidwell who as seen it all in the prem decided that kranjcar who was on his weaker foot needed taking out rashly like that!! For me that's as bad a tackle as pennant v Everton last season. Pathetic challenge. Whether bego is to much to one side I dunno I'm not a keeper but the free kick should have been avoided This. It's an absolutely crazy tackle. Even if Kranjcar doesn't shoot, he has almost no chance of winning the ball from the angle he went in at. It's one of the clumsiest free kicks we will give away this season and it cost us two points we absolutely deserved. Sidwell isn't a bad player, but I really can't see him getting much of a game and perhaps that's the reason why he dived in. Hollywood tackle so to speak. I'm not going to lie I wasn't convinced when we signed him (although I accepted he's a proven Premiership player) and I'm no more convinced now. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 22, 2014 9:51:30 GMT
I still don't get now a seasoned pro like sidwell who as seen it all in the prem decided that kranjcar who was on his weaker foot needed taking out rashly like that!! For me that's as bad a tackle as pennant v Everton last season. Pathetic challenge. Whether bego is to much to one side I dunno I'm not a keeper but the free kick should have been avoided Yes, only mitigation is that a free kick outside the box means a goal about 1 in 5 times from that position and a penalty means a goal 9 in 10 times so it was less risky than what Pennant did but equally unnecessary. It was certainly a moment of madness. Truth is he hasn't had much game time, was fresh as a daisy and was probably trying to prove himself, he needs to think too though, it spoilt my weekend if nothing else  |
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Post by Ayupshag on Sept 22, 2014 10:58:03 GMT
Bego had to stand on that side of the goal. The wall defends one side the keeper protects the other. If he's good enough to get it up over the wall and in the corner then all you can do is applaud a great free kick. Sidwell was to blame for diving in like a tit
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Post by nott1 on Sept 22, 2014 11:17:24 GMT
Bego has let several free kicks in in the same way because he stands 1.5 metres inside one post. All he has to do is is stand in the centre. End of.
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Post by PotterEd on Sept 22, 2014 14:22:27 GMT
I said this after the game but Bego is really poor when it comes to free kicks. I'd be interested to see the stats because there can't be many keepers who concede more from direct free kicks. Positioning was the problem but he's also not a particularly agile keeper. He tends to flop/fall towards free kicks rather than getting a proper jump at them so he never had a chance of making it in time if Kranjcar could get it up and down (which he clearly could). He's still a top keeper but I feel this has always been a problem of his. This latest example just happened to come at a time when he's getting stick for other parts of his game.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 22, 2014 15:21:47 GMT
The must frustrating thing was that Whelan would have probably blocked the ball so Sidwell did not have to lunge in , Having said that , I don't get Bego's starting position , seemed to be inviting Krancjar to put the ball exactly where he did This.... The free-kick should never have come about, but Bego's positioning was woeful!!! |
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