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Post by sportsman on Sept 19, 2014 17:33:37 GMT
We've had the most attempts off target, 52. Our midfield couldn't shoot their load.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 17:53:03 GMT
Seems like the manager is on the right track... MH: That's the beauty of sport! On the day if we'd scored first, which is vitally important... Only Chelsea on that day were able to come back from behind. Our performance was better than against Villa. We are not a million miles away. We have not conceded too many goals. We are probably at the top end defensively but that doesn't show in points. 3:54 How about goal scoring? 27 shots, 6 on target, no goals against Leicester?3:55 MH: I'm confident the players I have here will address that. We did have problems last year with a lack of goals that hindered us at certain points but we came through at the back end. We've got enough quality and we've added players who will give us different options. Even last year we improved on recent seasons by 10 more goals... if we can do that again that'd be great. Sloppy goals and not scoring equals one thing. Like the manager says, the defense are delivering. When the attackers catch up we'll be fine.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 19, 2014 18:09:27 GMT
The manager is a tad deluded.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2014 21:33:17 GMT
I don't have an agenda. I haven't said scoring goals isn't a problem. I wanted Wilson to start the season as first choice CB. I didn't single Wilson out on this thread or even mention his name. Giving away daft goals is every bit as much of a problem as not being able to score at the other end because if you don't concede, you don't, you know, lose.TP quote of the century.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 20, 2014 1:24:07 GMT
I don't have an agenda. I haven't said scoring goals isn't a problem. I wanted Wilson to start the season as first choice CB. I didn't single Wilson out on this thread or even mention his name. Giving away daft goals is every bit as much of a problem as not being able to score at the other end because if you don't concede, you don't, you know, lose.TP quote of the century. Just common sense really.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 6:30:07 GMT
Just common sense really. More like stating the bleeding obvious! A bit like Steak and Chips everyday spoils you...
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 20, 2014 7:20:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 8:03:47 GMT
F**k off! I've had a punt on Stoke 2-1 and Shawcross first goal (singles).
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Post by slpmarc on Sept 20, 2014 8:58:30 GMT
We have had the fewest opposition shots on target this season, with Villa, Hull, Man City and Leicester only managing six between them. Taken from here: m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29262223If any of you follow me on twitter is worked out all the stats just after the game and some look very scary. The fact on 2 teams have had more shots than stoke this season, and no side has restricted sides to less chances than Stoke. If you look at those stats without knowing the reality it reads great, but only hitting the target with 11 of our 62 shots while conceding 3 out of 6 shots on target is worrying or is it just lacking in a bit of luck
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2014 9:05:53 GMT
We have had the fewest opposition shots on target this season, with Villa, Hull, Man City and Leicester only managing six between them. Taken from here: m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29262223If any of you follow me on twitter is worked out all the stats just after the game and some look very scary. The fact on 2 teams have had more shots than stoke this season, and no side has restricted sides to less chances than Stoke. If you look at those stats without knowing the reality it reads great, but only hitting the target with 11 of our 62 shots while conceding 3 out of 6 shots on target is worrying or is it just lacking in a bit of luck I think the 50% concession of all on target shots is a bit unlucky. Yes there were errors involved but in the context of the games, you're entitled to get away with a couple of them. At the other end I don't sense bad luck at all just bad choices and a touch of ineptitude.
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Post by Gods on Sept 20, 2014 9:09:45 GMT
We have had the fewest opposition shots on target this season, with Villa, Hull, Man City and Leicester only managing six between them. Taken from here: m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29262223If any of you follow me on twitter is worked out all the stats just after the game and some look very scary. The fact on 2 teams have had more shots than stoke this season, and no side has restricted sides to less chances than Stoke. If you look at those stats without knowing the reality it reads great, but only hitting the target with 11 of our 62 shots while conceding 3 out of 6 shots on target is worrying or is it just lacking in a bit of luck Yes, and that in short has been the nub of the problem at both ends of the pitch. It's unusual for me to be optimistic but I truly believe that if keep creating opportunities to shoot on goal at the rate we have and we keep restricting the opposition to so few shots on our goal we will be just fine. Our freakishly low strike success rate and our freakishly low shots against concession rate simply can't/won't persist over an extended period of time. So we are doing the right things, we just need a little more precision up front and a break or two in defence. (I hope)
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Post by lordb on Sept 20, 2014 9:20:43 GMT
Bound to be 5.3 today then
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 9:27:28 GMT
If any of you follow me on twitter is worked out all the stats just after the game and some look very scary. The fact on 2 teams have had more shots than stoke this season, and no side has restricted sides to less chances than Stoke. If you look at those stats without knowing the reality it reads great, but only hitting the target with 11 of our 62 shots while conceding 3 out of 6 shots on target is worrying or is it just lacking in a bit of luck I think the 50% concession of all on target shots is a bit unlucky. Yes there were errors involved but in the context of the games, you're entitled to get away with a couple of them. At the other end I don't sense bad luck at all just bad choices and a touch of ineptitude. Spot on. It's what I've been trying to get at, you just put it better than me!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 9:51:26 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 20, 2014 10:24:49 GMT
Were 4th FFS !!!! or 1st FFS!!!!!!! Dunna werrit we'll be fine folks....top 10 again this season
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 20, 2014 10:25:35 GMT
There are two opposing schools of thought emerging here and I think they're both valid to a point.
1) We're unlucky. The opposition are not going to score one in every two chances every single week for the rest of the season. The defence and midfield are doing a good job of keeping the opposition away from our goal and over the coming games, that will start to show. The root cause of our problem is our profligacy in front of goal and failure to create sufficient clear cut chances.
2) Of course we're going to have conceded fewer shots on goal this season - we're having masses of possession. The very core belief behind the mind numbing brand of tippy tappy employed by certain high profile teams abroad is that if you have the ball, the opposition cannot create chances of you. We're controlling the possession and controlling the game, but we are still managing to give away clear cut goalscoring opportunities in every game, as reflected by the statistic. Teams are getting fewer half chances and shots from other areas of the pitch, but they're still getting at least one clear goalscoring opportunity. Whatever the cause of that, it needs to be sorted out because it's a very worrying problem. Ironically, our best defence performance was against Man City, where we didn't dominate the game.
My suspicion is that the truth lies somewhere in between both of these. Yes, we are unlucky to an extent and we need to improve in front of goal, but there is a problem with our defence's concentration that will hopefully improve as they adjust to the style that we're employing this season.
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