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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 9:33:45 GMT
If it was put to the Union as a whole and not just Scotland , I think you would find that it is ......this is about far more than just economics as far I'm concerned I agree but the question was...if you were scottish...and on that basis I'd be looking around wondering on earth so many could be willing to throw it away. Like I say, there are a lot of Scottish people that clearly don't care about it and what the rest of the UK thinks doesn't really come in to it. It's not much of a union if you have to beg people to stay. I have to agree that as much as I want them to stay , I draw the line at begging,I was cringing a little at times the other day when Cameron made his final speech .
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Post by foster on Sept 18, 2014 10:09:59 GMT
What I don't understand in all of this is why we gave them the right to vote in the first place?
The way the Scots go on, you'd think William Wallace only died yesterday.
Let them vote Yes and then suffer the consequences. They won't get a quarter of what they are being promised.
Incidentally, if I were Scottish I'd vote No obviously.
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Post by foster on Sept 18, 2014 10:14:28 GMT
I agree but the question was...if you were scottish...and on that basis I'd be looking around wondering on earth so many could be willing to throw it away. Like I say, there are a lot of Scottish people that clearly don't care about it and what the rest of the UK thinks doesn't really come in to it. It's not much of a union if you have to beg people to stay. I have to agree that as much as I want them to stay , I draw the line at begging,I was cringing a little at times the other day when Cameron made his final speech . Me too. I'd be pointing out what they stand to lose rather than what more they can get. Nothing more swaying than the fear factor. Now, if they do vote yes, then I would be inclined to fuck them over as much as possible.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 18, 2014 10:18:33 GMT
This list of twats backing no would push many to vote yes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 10:58:59 GMT
This list of twats backing no would push many to vote yes. There are plenty of the sort you describe also backing a yes vote
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 11:04:05 GMT
This list of twats backing no would push many to vote yes. There are plenty of the sort you describe also backing a yes vote i'd vote no for no other reason than Ricky Ross is voting Yes and i hated Deacon Blue!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 11:06:35 GMT
There are plenty of the sort you describe also backing a yes vote i'd vote no for no other reason than Ricky Ross is voting Yes and i hated Deacon Blue! A sound enough reason .....certainly as good as any other
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 11:10:00 GMT
This list of twats backing no would push many to vote yes. Attachment DeletedHere's one backing a yes vote
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 11:12:18 GMT
This list of twats backing no would push many to vote yes. View AttachmentHere's one backing a yes vote no he's not Bisp..... i think you'll find he's backing the "Yeeeessssshhhh" vote
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 18, 2014 11:16:14 GMT
This list of twats backing no would push many to vote yes. Here's one backing a yes vote As well he might. He lives in the Bahamas with another house in Los Angeles!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 11:17:50 GMT
I'd vote no, accept the Westminster bribes for staying (provided they deliver of course!) and thereby get independence in all but name, spending disproportionately more of the UK's money while generating less, enjoying the benefits of free tuition fees, no prescription charges, free care for the elderly, publicly owned utilities, etc etc, all bankrolled by someone else. Salmond must be pissing himself laughing.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 18, 2014 11:42:19 GMT
I'd vote no, accept the Westminster bribes for staying (provided they deliver of course!) and thereby get independence in all but name, spending disproportionately more of the UK's money while generating less, enjoying the benefits of free tuition fees, no prescription charges, free care for the elderly, publicly owned utilities, etc etc, all bankrolled by someone else. Salmond must be pissing himself laughing. its their budget though, no different to people spending their own money on booze instead of food scotland isnt a utopia, every £ spend on free university fees is a £ not spent elsewhere we hear all this good stuff up north we dont get to hear whats not getting done, the bad points (apart from actually being scottish )
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 11:49:31 GMT
I'd vote no, accept the Westminster bribes for staying (provided they deliver of course!) and thereby get independence in all but name, spending disproportionately more of the UK's money while generating less, enjoying the benefits of free tuition fees, no prescription charges, free care for the elderly, publicly owned utilities, etc etc, all bankrolled by someone else. Salmond must be pissing himself laughing. its their budget though, no different to people spending their own money on booze instead of food scotland isnt a utopia, every £ spend on free university fees is a £ not spent elsewhere we hear all this good stuff up north we dont get to hear whats not getting done, the bad points (apart from actually being scottish ) you don't need to salop..... after all it's apparently only the Scottish people that have suffered because of the global recession so ANY bad whatseover is all simply down to us and us alone. only they have had industries failing, people out of jobs and housing that no-one can afford anymore while the rest of the UK have apparently been living the life of Riley if you listen to some of the bullshit that the YES campaign come out with. with a YES vote then these issues will just magically disappear and the days of them being ruled by a corrupt Westminster will be gone forever as the Scots will suddenly have a whiter than white government of their own where all MPs are saints and ONLY ever think about the good of the Scottish people and won't be interested in furthering their own careers, wealth or fame at all. they will be inducted into Scottish Parliament personally by St. Andrew and lead them to glory because we've never, ever had corrupt MPs, MPs that lie and cheat and evade and exploit taxes and expenses for their own benefit that have been born in Scotland have we???? noooooooooo....it's just nasty English MPs that are like that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 11:56:44 GMT
I'd vote no, accept the Westminster bribes for staying (provided they deliver of course!) and thereby get independence in all but name, spending disproportionately more of the UK's money while generating less, enjoying the benefits of free tuition fees, no prescription charges, free care for the elderly, publicly owned utilities, etc etc, all bankrolled by someone else. Salmond must be pissing himself laughing. its their budget though, no different to people spending their own money on booze instead of food scotland isnt a utopia, every £ spend on free university fees is a £ not spent elsewhere we hear all this good stuff up north we dont get to hear whats not getting done, the bad points (apart from actually being scottish ) Yes but they get more to spend per person than the rest of the UK so it obviously goes further. How else can they afford all the things we don't get on the same taxation rates! Well played, Mr Salmond, whatever happens really.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 12:00:17 GMT
its their budget though, no different to people spending their own money on booze instead of food scotland isnt a utopia, every £ spend on free university fees is a £ not spent elsewhere we hear all this good stuff up north we dont get to hear whats not getting done, the bad points (apart from actually being scottish ) you don't need to salop..... after all it's apparently only the Scottish people that have suffered because of the global recession so ANY bad whatseover is all simply down to us and us alone. only they have had industries failing, people out of jobs and housing that no-one can afford anymore while the rest of the UK have apparently been living the life of Riley if you listen to some of the bullshit that the YES campaign come out with. with a YES vote then these issues will just magically disappear and the days of them being ruled by a corrupt Westminster will be gone forever as the Scots will suddenly have a whiter than white government of their own where all MPs are saints and ONLY ever think about the good of the Scottish people and won't be interested in furthering their own careers, wealth or fame at all. they will be inducted into Scottish Parliament personally by St. Andrew and lead them to glory because we've never, ever had corrupt MPs, MPs that lie and cheat and evade and exploit taxes and expenses for their own benefit that have been born in Scotland have we???? noooooooooo....it's just nasty English MPs that are like that That's a bit childish. What will actually happen is that the Scots get to self govern, with all that comes with it. It might be a left leaning country, it might put up taxes, it might vote to reflect the rest of the uk ie low taxes and low spending on public services, it might shift towards the right etc. Who knows how it might go. But at the very least, they will be voting for their own control of their own country.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 18, 2014 12:07:48 GMT
The lucky buggers have the power today, the power to tell Westminster to fuck off, the power to question austerity and who pays for recovery, the power to stop their country be a missile base for the US to commit their terrorist acts.
They wont waste it. They can't.
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Post by jpm64 on Sept 18, 2014 12:13:06 GMT
The lucky buggers have the power today, the power to tell Westminster to fuck off, the power to question austerity and who pays for recovery, the power to stop their country be a missile base for the US to commit their terrorist acts. They wont waste it. They can't. I don't disagree but I'm afraid that the most recent Polls do seem to indicate a narrow No vote
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 12:14:46 GMT
you don't need to salop..... after all it's apparently only the Scottish people that have suffered because of the global recession so ANY bad whatseover is all simply down to us and us alone. only they have had industries failing, people out of jobs and housing that no-one can afford anymore while the rest of the UK have apparently been living the life of Riley if you listen to some of the bullshit that the YES campaign come out with. with a YES vote then these issues will just magically disappear and the days of them being ruled by a corrupt Westminster will be gone forever as the Scots will suddenly have a whiter than white government of their own where all MPs are saints and ONLY ever think about the good of the Scottish people and won't be interested in furthering their own careers, wealth or fame at all. they will be inducted into Scottish Parliament personally by St. Andrew and lead them to glory because we've never, ever had corrupt MPs, MPs that lie and cheat and evade and exploit taxes and expenses for their own benefit that have been born in Scotland have we???? noooooooooo....it's just nasty English MPs that are like that That's a bit childish. What will actually happen is that the Scots get to self govern, with all that comes with it. It might be a left leaning country, it might put up taxes, it might vote to reflect the rest of the uk ie low taxes and low spending on public services, it might shift towards the right etc. Who knows how it might go. But at the very least, they will be voting for their own control of their own country. it's no more childish than the YES campaign just throwing out the "Scaremongering" claim whenever it suits them because an issue they have no answer to has been raised whilst pushing everything they say as categorical fact when it quite simply isn't is it? what i've said above is basically true....the YES camapaign are largely fighting this on the premise that they won't have nasty, evil Wetsminster governing them anymore and ignoring the fact that whoever replaces them will still be MPs and very probably just as self-serving and corrupt as those currently governing them are (unless they manage to "invent" a new breed of MP that no country in the World has as yet come across in the past) and that they have answers to all the problems that Westminster have apparently caused (housing, unemployment, health service etc.) when in reality they simpyl fudge the issue completely when asked how they WILL face and resolve these problems. if they actually had sound and reasonable resolutions to most of the issues then great, fair play but they don't and haven't even attempted to try and find any...their campaign so far has been ridiculously childish from start to finish by simply throwing mud and labels at people who counter their view because they don't actually have any valid answers that stack up or can be verified by any independent eperts. they have treated the Scottish voting public as imbeciles who will just listen to them because...well, just because, they won't ask why they don't have any answers to very serious and valid questions and will just believe them implicitly despite not knowing themselves what the hell will actually happen if they win the vote. the YES campaign may as well have spent the last few weeks simply telling lies to people about what the rest of the UK WILL apparently do re: currency unions etc. and what the EU WILL apparently do re: Scotland becoming a member state and when those people come back with factual answers about what they WILL ACTUALLY do then just stick their fingers in their ears shouting "Lalalalalala i'm not listening lalalalala"
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Post by salopstick on Sept 18, 2014 12:15:43 GMT
The lucky buggers have the power today, the power to tell westminster what? the power to ask what currency we will be using, the power to ask what is our defence policy, the power to ask wether we will be allowed in the eu, the power ta ask where is all our money going to come from now we are not getting none from westminster, the power to find jobs when all the uk forces bases close, the power to find jobs for the locals that work at us bases, the power to fund the SBC,
the power to do what exactly, because salmond has told them fuck all
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Post by salopstick on Sept 18, 2014 12:22:46 GMT
if england had a referendum to distance itself from the union and fuck wales, scotland and NI off those three countries would be fucked
typical self self self attitude
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Post by jpm64 on Sept 18, 2014 12:24:16 GMT
if england had a referendum to distance itself from the union and fuck wales, scotland and NI off those three countries would be fucked typical self self self attitude Self Self Self ? That's Rich coming from Tory Boy !!
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Post by starkiller on Sept 18, 2014 12:25:36 GMT
This list of twats backing no would push many to vote yes. There are plenty of the sort you describe also backing a yes vote Put it this way, if I was Scot it'd be a lot shorter road to Edinburgh to sort the governing cunts out than going to Westminster.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 18, 2014 12:28:16 GMT
if england had a referendum to distance itself from the union and fuck wales, scotland and NI off those three countries would be fucked typical self self self attitude Self Self Self ? That's Rich coming from Tory Boy !! hardly, all four countries are better as a total sum of the four parts
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 18, 2014 12:31:00 GMT
Yes, for a new start
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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Sept 18, 2014 12:33:57 GMT
I’ve just voted NO in the Britannia hall on the remote Dunnet Head on the north coast of Scotland. Apart from me and the Mrs there was just one other voter and there were only two cars outside the polling station. There were no police or campaigners outside the village hall.
It’s been a very quiet neverendum referendum up here and we haven’t had any politicians come to speak to us. There was none of the referendum fever which you will have seen on TV and there were only a few Yes and No signs on lamp posts and car windows.
I fear that if it is a victory for the no voters then the pesky nastynats in the south will vent their anger and cause trouble.
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Post by vahl on Sept 18, 2014 12:45:21 GMT
I would vote NO.
We are stronger as one in every single aspect. We have done great things as a Union and I hope the Scots see the light and don't break this friendship up.
We are the same people - cut from the same cloth. History tells us we've had our ups and downs but always managed to come together when it mattered most, which is unique and should be protected at all costs.
Do the Scots really dislike the idea of the UK? I don't believe they do..
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Post by ihaveadream on Sept 18, 2014 13:00:59 GMT
I would vote No
Better to be part of a large country than a small one. Separation would be risky economically.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 18, 2014 13:54:07 GMT
I'd vote no, accept the Westminster bribes for staying (provided they deliver of course!) and thereby get independence in all but name, spending disproportionately more of the UK's money while generating less, enjoying the benefits of free tuition fees, no prescription charges, free care for the elderly, publicly owned utilities, etc etc, all bankrolled by someone else. Salmond must be pissing himself laughing. its their budget though, no different to people spending their own money on booze instead of food scotland isnt a utopia, every £ spend on free university fees is a £ not spent elsewhere we hear all this good stuff up north we dont get to hear whats not getting done, the bad points (apart from actually being scottish :) ) The thing is I'm yet to hear of anything they don't spend extra on, to help fund all of these expensive additional benefits. They already have devolved power to increase income tax to pay for this socialist utopia, but do they. No they prefer to let the rest of the UK's tax payers foot the bill. Not right and not fair.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 14:06:37 GMT
you don't need to salop..... after all it's apparently only the Scottish people that have suffered because of the global recession so ANY bad whatseover is all simply down to us and us alone. only they have had industries failing, people out of jobs and housing that no-one can afford anymore while the rest of the UK have apparently been living the life of Riley if you listen to some of the bullshit that the YES campaign come out with. with a YES vote then these issues will just magically disappear and the days of them being ruled by a corrupt Westminster will be gone forever as the Scots will suddenly have a whiter than white government of their own where all MPs are saints and ONLY ever think about the good of the Scottish people and won't be interested in furthering their own careers, wealth or fame at all. they will be inducted into Scottish Parliament personally by St. Andrew and lead them to glory because we've never, ever had corrupt MPs, MPs that lie and cheat and evade and exploit taxes and expenses for their own benefit that have been born in Scotland have we???? noooooooooo....it's just nasty English MPs that are like that That's a bit childish. What will actually happen is that the Scots get to self govern, with all that comes with it. It might be a left leaning country, it might put up taxes, it might vote to reflect the rest of the uk ie low taxes and low spending on public services, it might shift towards the right etc. Who knows how it might go. But at the very least, they will be voting for their own control of their own country. childish it may be .....but it's not far off
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 15:14:56 GMT
I have to agree that as much as I want them to stay , I draw the line at begging,I was cringing a little at times the other day when Cameron made his final speech . Me too. I'd be pointing out what they stand to lose rather than what more they can get. Nothing more swaying than the fear factor. Now, if they do vote yes, then I would be inclined to fuck them over as much as possible. That has actually been the main aspect of the no campaign: fear. While the yes one was optimism.
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