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Post by bathstoke on Sept 10, 2014 7:20:12 GMT
I find this fascinating. 6000BC, Our ancestors were performing ceremonies in England...
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Post by capto on Sept 10, 2014 8:29:38 GMT
Probably more civilised in those days ; all downhill afterwards?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 10, 2014 10:07:36 GMT
It does my head in when you get these programmes on tv about how Aliens must have built Stonehenge,the Pyramids, etc. If Aliens had anything to do with building these monuments,if they have the technology to travel millions of light years,why use stone FFS.?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 23:30:42 GMT
I find this fascinating. 6000BC, Our ancestors were performing ceremonies in England... The inhabitants of Britain as it was were not so backward as has been constantly stated ......the Romans flattered themselves in thinking they were " civilising " this country |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 23:39:53 GMT
The large stones actually came from South Wales and were transported by boats / rafts.
Does anyone have a link on this program / subject.
If you ever get the chance then visit the Valley of the Kings in Eygpt. The skill and effort to construct the burial chambers is superhuman. As you walk up the valley you would never in a million years expect to see what is buried underneath...the stone masonry is fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 0:04:52 GMT
The large stones actually came from South Wales and were transported by boats / rafts. Does anyone have a link on this program / subject. If you ever get the chance then visit the Valley of the Kings in Eygpt. The skill and effort to construct the burial chambers is superhuman. As you walk up the valley you would never in a million years expect to see what is buried underneath...the stone masonry is fantastic. Interesting stuff mumf , it's not certain however , how the stones got from Wales to Stonehenge .....possibly by raft as you mentioned , another school of thought is that it was by geological movement and occurred naturally at an earlier date ...I much prefer the earlier theory myself ...I like the idea of ancient engineering on that scale , incredible achievement |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 12, 2014 5:26:29 GMT
I find this fascinating. 6000BC, Our ancestors were performing ceremonies in England... The inhabitants of Britain as it was were not so backward as has been constantly stated ......the Romans flattered themselves in thinking they were " civilising " this country you've been watching 'Life of Brian ' bish |
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 12, 2014 7:06:41 GMT
The large stones actually came from South Wales and were transported by boats / rafts. Does anyone have a link on this program / subject. If you ever get the chance then visit the Valley of the Kings in Eygpt. The skill and effort to construct the burial chambers is superhuman. As you walk up the valley you would never in a million years expect to see what is buried underneath...the stone masonry is fantastic. One of the great cradles of civilisation. It blew my head away when the to be MrsBath & I went to Egypt. Valley of Kings, Luxor, Giza & the museum in Cairo. Real shame that it's become less hospitable to westerners. MrsBath went bed early one night after a busy day & I went for a wander round the streets of Cairo. Ended up sitting round a brazier, eating the dead thing that was cooking on it, with the locals. Gave me the $#!ts the nxt day. Yum!!! |
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Post by Northy on Sept 12, 2014 7:31:40 GMT
I watched the programme on BBC last night, it was interesting to see as I had only visited Stonehenge again in July. The visitor centre has moved to over a mile away now and they provide shuttle buses for the fat tourists  I walked from the centre along the route via the cursor and then up the ceromonial path to the heel stone, as I came over the ridge to it the view of the dumper truck and JCB removing the old roadway and remnants of the old visitor centre were majestic, right in the line of sight of ant atmospheric camerea shot  It must have taken them years to build everything, skilful and all manual labour, no cranes and articulated lorries to make the job easier. |
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Post by slpmarc on Sept 12, 2014 8:18:14 GMT
It does my head in when you get these programmes on tv about how Aliens must have built Stonehenge,the Pyramids, etc. If Aliens had anything to do with building these monuments,if they have the technology to travel millions of light years,why use stone FFS.? It was pagans who believed the Sun was God and he sends down all that's needed for life in it's rays. It's why the bible think god sent his son to earth but infact god sent the sun to earth. The bible is a rehash of 3000 year old pagan and Egyptian beliefs and made more believable by humanising the Sun as a person. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 8:46:26 GMT
The inhabitants of Britain as it was were not so backward as has been constantly stated ......the Romans flattered themselves in thinking they were " civilising " this country you've been watching 'Life of Brian ' bish Not recently mate |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 12, 2014 8:54:12 GMT
It does my head in when you get these programmes on tv about how Aliens must have built Stonehenge,the Pyramids, etc. If Aliens had anything to do with building these monuments,if they have the technology to travel millions of light years,why use stone FFS.? It was pagans who believed the Sun was God and he sends down all that's needed for life in it's rays. It's why the bible think god sent his son to earth but infact god sent the sun to earth. The bible is a rehash of 3000 year old pagan and Egyptian beliefs and made more believable by humanising the Sun as a person. were they english speaking then??  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 12, 2014 9:04:31 GMT
Life back then must have been shit. Imagine having maul them big bricks around. And when they got home at night no telly.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 12, 2014 9:08:19 GMT
and no risk assessment
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 12, 2014 9:31:49 GMT
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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 12, 2014 10:07:44 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 12, 2014 10:11:16 GMT
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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 12, 2014 10:42:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 22:23:10 GMT
It does my head in when you get these programmes on tv about how Aliens must have built Stonehenge,the Pyramids, etc. If Aliens had anything to do with building these monuments,if they have the technology to travel millions of light years,why use stone FFS.? Brickhenge just doesn't have the same ring to it though, doesit =) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 23:39:48 GMT
The large stones actually came from South Wales and were transported by boats / rafts. Does anyone have a link on this program / subject. If you ever get the chance then visit the Valley of the Kings in Eygpt. The skill and effort to construct the burial chambers is superhuman. As you walk up the valley you would never in a million years expect to see what is buried underneath...the stone masonry is fantastic. Interesting stuff mumf , it's not certain however , how the stones got from Wales to Stonehenge .....possibly by raft as you mentioned , another school of thought is that it was by geological movement and occurred naturally at an earlier date ...I much prefer the earlier theory myself ...I like the idea of ancient engineering on that scale , incredible achievement Well after watching several scientific program's on this particular subject they all seemed to be almost certain that the stones were taken to Stone henge one way or another and given there is the river Severn estuary to cross then there is only one way to do that and it was by boat. The Eygptians are one such example of how this was done using wooden and papyrus vessels to carry huge weights of rock to build temples hundreds of miles down stream from where they were mined and I've seen this for myself. The idea that the stones got their by geological movement does not explain why there were no other stones of this precise nature found in the area . There can only be one plausible way as the one you describe. The axes and tools used to do this have been traced back to North Norfolk where Flint was mined to dig out trenches and fell trees. They know this by fragments found at several sites and by microscopic analysis of the flint. One theory is that the area was chosen as a site for special pilgrimage due to the unique concept of flint being found in natural springs and by natural geological chemical process of this combining with ironstone deposits fusing together over thousands of years. When extracted from these springs into the fresh air the subsequent oxidisation process caused the flint deposit to turn bright red in colour and was therefore deemed to have magical properties not seen anywhere else in Britain . The culmination of all this suggesting that early tribes therefore thought that this area would be an ideal site for pilgrimage and rituals to the Sun god. Several burial sites have recently been found in and around the area using geophysical survey equipment and good old 'Google Earth"...! Dead good or what.? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 23:58:38 GMT
Well after watching several scientific program's on this particular subject they all seemed to be almost certain that the stones were taken to Stone henge one way or another and given there is the river Severn estuary to cross then there is only one way to do that and it was by boat. The Eygptians are one such example of how this was done using wooden and papyrus vessels to carry huge weights of rock to build temples hundreds of miles down stream from where they were mined and I've seen this for myself. The idea that the stones got their by geological movement does not explain why there were no other stones of this precise nature found in the area . There can only be one plausible way as the one you describe. The axes and tools used to do this have been traced back to North Norfolk where Flint was mined to dig out trenches and fell trees. They know this by fragments found at several sites and by microscopic analysis of the flint. One theory is that the area was chosen as a site for special pilgrimage due to the unique concept of flint being found in natural springs and by natural geological chemical process of this combining with ironstone deposits fusing together over thousands of years. When extracted from these springs into the fresh air the subsequent oxidisation process caused the flint deposit to turn bright red in colour and was therefore deemed to have magical properties not seen anywhere else in Britain . The culmination of all this suggesting that early tribes therefore thought that this area would be an ideal site for pilgrimage and rituals to the Sun god. Several burial sites have recently been found in and around the area using geophysical survey equipment and good old 'Google Earth"...! Dead good or what.? Yes that's pretty accurate I would say .....probably exactly the way it occurred .....and it is absolutely mind blowing that they could have performed such a major feat of engineering in this way 6,000 years ago , outstanding But then returning to the Egyptians ....the pyramid building was unbelievable as was the construction of the tombs in the Valley Of The Kings . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 0:19:04 GMT
As you walk into the tombs at the valley of the Kings the thing that struck me the most was the smoothness and geometrical accuracy of the stone masonry which is the best I've ever seen anywhere and they didn't have the benefit of modern power tools . Then if you imagine the intricacy of the inscriptions and it's colourful manuscripts it is hard to believe that they are all over 3000 years old.
By contrast , when you leave the area and go back into town by bus then you see the crap they are building these days. The craftsmen were much better 3000 years ago....
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Post by starkiller on Sept 13, 2014 0:34:54 GMT
There are ideas that the human race has:
1. Been around a lot longer than we are taught.
2. Reached a level of advancement not acknowledged (or suppressed) that in many ways surpasses current civilisation.
3. Were almost wiped out by an astronomical catastrophe and had to begin again.
These ideas, or similar, have been retained by secret societies throughout current history.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 1:32:20 GMT
Personally I think the human race has: 1. Been around a lot longer than we are taught. 2. Reached a level of advancement not acknowledged (or suppressed) that in many ways surpasses current civilisation. 3. Were almost wiped out by an astronomical catastrophe and had to begin again. These ideas, or similar, have been retained by secret societies throughout current history. Oh ! ....interesting theory Sk ....NEXT , |
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Post by starkiller on Sept 13, 2014 1:36:08 GMT
Personally I think the human race has: 1. Been around a lot longer than we are taught. 2. Reached a level of advancement not acknowledged (or suppressed) that in many ways surpasses current civilisation. 3. Were almost wiped out by an astronomical catastrophe and had to begin again. These ideas, or similar, have been retained by secret societies throughout current history. Oh ! ....interesting theory Sk ....NEXT , Only for your delectation, if nothing else. |
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Post by Northy on Sept 13, 2014 6:14:24 GMT
As you walk into the tombs at the valley of the Kings the thing that struck me the most was the smoothness and geometrical accuracy of the stone masonry which is the best I've ever seen anywhere and they didn't have the benefit of modern power tools . Then if you imagine the intricacy of the inscriptions and it's colourful manuscripts it is hard to believe that they are all over 3000 years old. By contrast , when you leave the area and go back into town by bus then you see the crap they are building these days. The craftsmen were much better 3000 years ago.... But they have to pay for it nowadays, back then it was 1000's of slaves doing the labour. |
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Post by Northy on Sept 13, 2014 6:21:31 GMT
There are ideas that the human race has: 1. Been around a lot longer than we are taught. 2. Reached a level of advancement not acknowledged (or suppressed) that in many ways surpasses current civilisation. 3. Were almost wiped out by an astronomical catastrophe and had to begin again. These ideas, or similar, have been retained by secret societies throughout current history. How has this astronomical catastrophe being hidden from archaeological hunts and geological reviews of rocks around the world, the 65m years ago one can clearly be seen in rock layers, surely they would have dug through the more recent catastrophe to reach the earlier one? There were some earlier well established civilizations around, they probably got to a certain stage of living but nothing that we see these days, the invention of electricity is the big difference. |
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Post by starkiller on Sept 13, 2014 9:27:52 GMT
There are ideas that the human race has: 1. Been around a lot longer than we are taught. 2. Reached a level of advancement not acknowledged (or suppressed) that in many ways surpasses current civilisation. 3. Were almost wiped out by an astronomical catastrophe and had to begin again. These ideas, or similar, have been retained by secret societies throughout current history. How has this astronomical catastrophe being hidden from archaeological hunts and geological reviews of rocks around the world, the 65m years ago one can clearly be seen in rock layers, surely they would have dug through the more recent catastrophe to reach the earlier one? There were some earlier well established civilizations around, they probably got to a certain stage of living but nothing that we see these days, the invention of electricity is the big difference. Maybe nothing more than an interesting pub conversation ... |
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 13, 2014 21:13:17 GMT
How has this astronomical catastrophe being hidden from archaeological hunts and geological reviews of rocks around the world, the 65m years ago one can clearly be seen in rock layers, surely they would have dug through the more recent catastrophe to reach the earlier one? There were some earlier well established civilizations around, they probably got to a certain stage of living but nothing that we see these days, the invention of electricity is the big difference. Maybe nothing more than an interesting pub conversation ... Ace, the French have a fraise for it: Le B@!!$#!t |
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I walked from the centre along the route via the cursor and then up the ceromonial path to the heel stone, as I came over the ridge to it the view of the dumper truck and JCB removing the old roadway and remnants of the old visitor centre were majestic, right in the line of sight of ant atmospheric camerea shot 
