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Post by Bowyer83 on Sept 3, 2014 19:16:37 GMT
Everytime there is an international our Ryan seems to have a variety of threads (Down to the fact that Woy doesnt select him).
Just an idea to keep them all together on one.
In all honesty I think he will be selected in the next squad against San Marino and Estonia due to the current media hype
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 19:21:42 GMT
NO - PLEASE - NO ----FFS!
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Post by Linx on Sept 3, 2014 19:28:26 GMT
Don't forget - Jones is a safer bet than Ryan as a Centre Back against mighty Norway. Like stated, now the media have got hold of the issue (like MOTD Extra at the weekend), Roy might remember who the Stoke City (9th in the league) captain (played 250 games) is and how to get in touch.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 3, 2014 19:30:15 GMT
here we go again
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 3, 2014 19:32:00 GMT
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Post by Linx on Sept 3, 2014 19:40:59 GMT
TBH I have always been quite reasonable about the fact that Ryan does not get picked for England. But I am gobsmacked this time around, while former players are criticising the lack of leaders and the lack of depth in defence. While I recognise that Cahill is probably one of the best English centre backs in the league, he only got recognised as such when he moved from Bolton to Chelsea. Jones is shite and would not be anywhere near the England team if he playeed for Stoke - not that he would have been signed by TP or LMH in the first place. I am increasingly concerned about the selection process for international players; I had hoped that Hodgson would have been more objective and meritocratic in his criteria. Clearly he isn't. |
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 3, 2014 19:43:23 GMT
TBH I have always been quite reasonable about the fact that Ryan does not get picked for England. But I am gobsmacked this time around, while former players are criticising the lack of leaders and the lack of depth in defence. While I recognise that Cahill is probably one of the best English centre backs in the league, he only got recognised as such when he moved from Bolton to Chelsea. Jones is shite and would not be anywhere near the England team if he playeed for Stoke - not that he would have been signed by TP or LMH in the first place. I am increasingly concerned about the selection process for international players; I had hoped that Hodgson would have been more objective and meritorious in his criteria. Clearly he isn't. hoefully he will be in the next squad |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 19:44:04 GMT
The fact that Rooney has been selected as captain tells you all you need to know about how our national team is selected. We're talking about a player that doesn't really have a true position and has been moved around by club and country for seasons.
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Post by k on Sept 3, 2014 19:45:02 GMT
I'll say my bit, and I appreciate its probably a regurgitation of what many others have said.
It drives me nuts that a player who has:-
come through the youth ranks at Man Utd,
earned his spurs through hard yards and graft in a promotion winning side,
progressed to become an established premier league defender at a solid mid table club,
Improved again and become club captain,
Is hardly ever injured, a consumate pro, nice guy, role model, and team player,
Played over 200-odd games at this level against some of the best players in the world...
...is then overlooked for a kid signed by a "big club" who has played a handful of games at club level, without looking anything better than ordinary in those games.
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Post by lewando on Sept 3, 2014 21:41:02 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 3, 2014 21:51:09 GMT
Woy is a semi- senile old fruitcake who hasn't got the slightest clue
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 22:02:42 GMT
Whilst Roy's in Switzerland any chance of you know what?
Sign here Roy it's your new contract, come upstairs Roy, lie on the bed, take this pill Roy. He's off to a better place now, our erm I mean his pain is over...
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 4, 2014 11:58:40 GMT
I'll say my bit, and I appreciate its probably a regurgitation of what many others have said. It drives me nuts that a player who has:- come through the youth ranks at Man Utd, earned his spurs through hard yards and graft in a promotion winning side, progressed to become an established premier league defender at a solid mid table club, Improved again and become club captain, Is hardly ever injured, a consumate pro, nice guy, role model, and team player, Played over 200-odd games at this level against some of the best players in the world... ...is then overlooked for a kid signed by a "big club" who has played a handful of games at club level, without looking anything better than ordinary in those games. When you put it like that, it just makes it a whole lot more ridiculous. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 4, 2014 12:10:59 GMT
Isn't this one proof positive that the excellent John Percy isn't all that, err, 'excellent' all the time after all?
hashtag twitter-mugged
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Post by britsabroad on Sept 7, 2014 15:19:28 GMT
Stoke tinted spectacles aside, Shawcross provides much of the same qualities as many of the already established England CBs like Cahill. The main thing missing from England defenders is to have someone who is comfortable bringing the ball out of defence (this is partly why Jones is in there) but Shawcross is shit at that. Bringing him in adds nothing to the team but risk, and Woy is not one for taking wisks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 15:27:32 GMT
Every single time one of these 'lets self destruct Stoke City' threads appears
it should be buried firmly
by admin
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Post by tuum on Sept 7, 2014 18:21:22 GMT
Stoke tinted spectacles aside, Shawcross provides much of the same qualities as many of the already established England CBs like Cahill. The main thing missing from England defenders is to have someone who is comfortable bringing the ball out of defence (this is partly why Jones is in there) but Shawcross is shit at that. Bringing him in adds nothing to the team but risk, and Woy is not one for taking wisks. I disagree with you on so many levels that it would take too long to discuss. So, I'll just leave it at that. |
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 7, 2014 18:41:22 GMT
Stoke tinted spectacles aside, Shawcross provides much of the same qualities as many of the already established England CBs like Cahill. The main thing missing from England defenders is to have someone who is comfortable bringing the ball out of defence (this is partly why Jones is in there) but Shawcross is shit at that. Bringing him in adds nothing to the team but risk, and Woy is not one for taking wisks. England need to learn how to do the basics again first before looking at having the next beckenbauer storming forward. After Germany bombed in tournaments Lowe was told to rebuild slowly and steadily look at their success Roy needs to the same as was pointed out on another thread on merit there are very few players in the England team at the minute who deserve to be there whether from league form or from tournaments. So to suggest Jonesshould be there because he has the "potential " to bbring the ball out is bollocks when he is trusted by van gaal to do that I will be happy for him to do that for England,Ryan is trusted by his manager to lead his team and defend first he could be trusted to do that for England horses for courses is the saying what applies |
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Post by GlennA on Sept 7, 2014 18:58:37 GMT
Alvin Martin was on Talksport earlier saying he thought Ryan was 'nowhere near' good enough for the England team. So don't forget him come bonfire night.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 7:35:42 GMT
Stoke tinted spectacles aside, Shawcross provides much of the same qualities as many of the already established England CBs like Cahill. The main thing missing from England defenders is to have someone who is comfortable bringing the ball out of defence (this is partly why Jones is in there) but Shawcross is shit at that. Bringing him in adds nothing to the team but risk, and Woy is not one for taking wisks. They're missing someone who is comfortable on the ball? I'll remember that when they give yet another goal away from ball watching and general shite defending..... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 7:36:15 GMT
Alvin Martin was on Talksport earlier saying he thought Ryan was 'nowhere near' good enough for the England team. So don't forget him come bonfire night. If Alvin was good enough, then Ryan is good enough...... |
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Post by 2004 on Sept 8, 2014 7:38:37 GMT
Alvin Martin was on Talksport earlier saying he thought Ryan was 'nowhere near' good enough for the England team. So don't forget him come bonfire night. Who? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 8, 2014 7:42:35 GMT
Shawcross isn't too bad on the ball and lets face it Jagielka and Cahill...... neither are Beckenbauer are they?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 7:49:20 GMT
Alvin Martin was on Talksport earlier saying he thought Ryan was 'nowhere near' good enough for the England team. So don't forget him come bonfire night. Who did he suggest was good enough? |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 8, 2014 8:17:41 GMT
I've said this so many times that I'm sick of even thinking about it...
The first job of a defender is, and always will be, to defend.
Never mind long balls, through balls, dribbling and Cruyff turns. That sort of obsession is why England struggle against any team with a sniff of quality about them.
From what I've seen Ryan Shawcross is certainly one of the best, if not the best, English centre halves. Instead we have Gary Cahill showing the balls of a primary school kid. Just look at his defending against us at Wembley and the Assaidi goal last season to see what I'm getting at.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 8, 2014 8:33:55 GMT
I've said this so many times that I'm sick of even thinking about it... The first job of a defender is, and always will be, to defend. Never mind long balls, through balls, dribbling and Cruyff turns. That sort of obsession is why England struggle against any team with a sniff of quality about them. From what I've seen Ryan Shawcross is certainly one of the best, if not the best, English centre halves. Instead we have Gary Cahill showing the balls of a primary school kid. Just look at his defending against us at Wembley and the Assaidi goal last season to see what I'm getting at. The first job of a defender is to defend but, in addition to that, at international level, they need to be able to initiate moves and make contributions further up the pitch. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 8, 2014 8:46:38 GMT
Alvin Martin was on Talksport earlier saying he thought Ryan was 'nowhere near' good enough for the England team. So don't forget him come bonfire night. I was surprised how dismissive Martin was. The guy who asked him if Shawcross should be considered didn't offer anything in rebuttal, either. I still say if Shawcross ever moves to a bigger club he will get a second chance to shine. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 8, 2014 8:50:38 GMT
I've said this so many times that I'm sick of even thinking about it... The first job of a defender is, and always will be, to defend. Never mind long balls, through balls, dribbling and Cruyff turns. That sort of obsession is why England struggle against any team with a sniff of quality about them. From what I've seen Ryan Shawcross is certainly one of the best, if not the best, English centre halves. Instead we have Gary Cahill showing the balls of a primary school kid. Just look at his defending against us at Wembley and the Assaidi goal last season to see what I'm getting at. The first job of a defender is to defend but, in addition to that, at international level, they need to be able to initiate moves and make contributions further up the pitch. Some of England's midfielders can't do THAT, Joe! Should Roy drop them like a pair of shitty shorts, too? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 8, 2014 9:04:50 GMT
The first job of a defender is to defend but, in addition to that, at international level, they need to be able to initiate moves and make contributions further up the pitch. Some of England's midfielders can't do THAT, Joe! Should Roy drop them like a pair of shitty shorts, too? Are you under the assumption I don't think Shawcy should be in the England squad? |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 8, 2014 11:02:53 GMT
Don't forget - Jones is a safer bet than Ryan as a Centre Back against mighty Norway. Like stated, now the media have got hold of the issue (like MOTD Extra at the weekend), Roy might remember who the Stoke City (9th in the league) captain (played 250 games) is and how to get in touch. is Stoke near Southampton? |
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