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Post by salopstick on Sept 1, 2014 22:34:13 GMT
When burnley, arsenal, the shit and hull at least have been granted extensions
A farce
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Post by philm87 on Sept 1, 2014 22:35:19 GMT
You get to watch Natalie's tits for a bit longer?
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 1, 2014 22:36:14 GMT
If they are doing it for certain clubs they should keep it open for every team!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 22:48:34 GMT
Didn't we complete signings after the deadline time before now though?
Soares? Tonge? Pennant? maybe?
I remember some of our stuff being sorted after 11pm or midnight or whenever it was.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 1, 2014 22:50:10 GMT
Arse have got an extension to try sort out the Welbeck deal. That is utter bollox
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Post by robinplumpton on Sept 1, 2014 22:51:06 GMT
Didn't we do the same with glen whelan?
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Sept 1, 2014 23:00:07 GMT
I think we did the same with Crouch didn't we?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 23:02:38 GMT
Didn't we do the same with glen whelan? Yeah quite possibly, Paul Gallagher too? |
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 1, 2014 23:03:35 GMT
Fucking hell did we sign everyone on time??
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Post by DC1863 on Sept 1, 2014 23:04:25 GMT
I thought the important paperwork for those respected deals was through on time and it was minor details we needed to sort out, apparently Utd haven't put ANY paperwork through and simply applied for an extension which was accepted. If that's true then it sets a precedent which will surely be constantly exploited from now on?
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Post by NassauDave on Sept 2, 2014 11:34:52 GMT
Didn't we complete signings after the deadline time before now though? Soares? Tonge? Pennant? maybe? I remember some of our stuff being sorted after 11pm or midnight or whenever it was. If only the league had said no we would have saved a fortune and a lot of time on this lot ;-) |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 2, 2014 11:44:25 GMT
and now villa have a deadline excuse for cleverley
bet they are gutted
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 11:49:48 GMT
any club can apply for an extension by filling in a "Deal sheet" which has to be submitted before 11pm. it has to show that a deal has been agreed by all parties and if so then an extension is granted until 1am to allow time for paperwork to be finalised and sent through. it applies to all clubs (and Burnley and Hull used it as well so no big club bias at all here)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 11:54:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:04:36 GMT
there's a link at the bottom of that article to take you to a atory that explains why..... they HAD submitted the paperwork on time but there was a slight mistake on it so it wasn't until the next day that the FA could ratify the signing as that error needed to be corrected. basically as long as you get your paperwork in before 11pm (or 1 am if a deal sheet has been filled in for an extension) then you're more or less fine but usually the transfer can't be ratified that day so then the player officially signs the day after. quite simple really. don't really see why so many are desperate to continue with this "Big club bias" nonsense when Hull and Burnley managed to get extensions but seem to be conveniently ignored by most on here who seem to have a need to find some way of slagging off the big clubs and the FA for something that applies to any club in the Prem |
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Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 12:07:46 GMT
Life is SO unfair!!!  |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 2, 2014 12:16:01 GMT
any club can apply for an extension by filling in a "Deal sheet" which has to be submitted before 11pm. it has to show that a deal has been agreed by all parties and if so then an extension is granted until 1am to allow time for paperwork to be finalised and sent through. it applies to all clubs (and Burnley and Hull used it as well so no big club bias at all here) i know that mick but they have had months to do this, they leave it to last minute for various reasons but a deadline is a deadline, or call it deal sheet deadline then |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:20:52 GMT
any club can apply for an extension by filling in a "Deal sheet" which has to be submitted before 11pm. it has to show that a deal has been agreed by all parties and if so then an extension is granted until 1am to allow time for paperwork to be finalised and sent through. it applies to all clubs (and Burnley and Hull used it as well so no big club bias at all here) i know that mick but they have had months to do this, they leave it to last minute for various reasons but a deadline is a deadline, or call it deal sheet deadline then the problem here isn't the deadline (where the rules are laid down for any club to follow and the clubs know of those rules) but the fact that the general public think it means something that it doesn't. should they change the rules now so the public have it tied it to their personal belief of what it means? as far as i'm aware it's the clubs that buy the players so whether the fans understand the intricacies of the way it works and the rules that bind it is irrelevant as long as the clubs understand it. if the fans DO want to know the exact ins and outs of how it works then 5 minutes of googling can give those answers or ask Sky to be more detailed about how it works. the rules have been the same for ages now, the FA have no obligation to go around leafletting the public so all fans around the country know all the exact rules do they? the only people that HAVE to understand it are the clubs and they obviously do. |
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Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 12:24:12 GMT
i know that mick but they have had months to do this, they leave it to last minute for various reasons but a deadline is a deadline, or call it deal sheet deadline then the problem here isn't the deadline (where the rules are laid down for any club to follow and the clubs know of those rules) but the fact that the general public think it means something that it doesn't. should they change the rules now so the public have it tied it to their personal belief of what it means? as far as i'm aware it's the clubs that buy the players so whether the fans understand the intricacies of the way it works and the rules that bind it is irrelevant as long as the clubs understand it. if the fans DO want to know the exact ins and outs of how it works then 5 minutes of googling can give those answers or ask Sky to be more detailed about how it works. the rules have been the same for ages now, the FA have no obligation to go around leafletting the public so all fans around the country know all the exact rules do they? the only people that HAVE to understand it are the clubs and they obviously do. I can't believe how much time time / effort you're spending responding to this thread  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:28:02 GMT
the problem here isn't the deadline (where the rules are laid down for any club to follow and the clubs know of those rules) but the fact that the general public think it means something that it doesn't. should they change the rules now so the public have it tied it to their personal belief of what it means? as far as i'm aware it's the clubs that buy the players so whether the fans understand the intricacies of the way it works and the rules that bind it is irrelevant as long as the clubs understand it. if the fans DO want to know the exact ins and outs of how it works then 5 minutes of googling can give those answers or ask Sky to be more detailed about how it works. the rules have been the same for ages now, the FA have no obligation to go around leafletting the public so all fans around the country know all the exact rules do they? the only people that HAVE to understand it are the clubs and they obviously do. I can't believe how much time time / effort you're spending responding to this thread i just think it's daft to slag off big clubs/the Prem/the FA etc. for all this when in reality no-one has done anything wrong here at all and it's simply a case of fans not understanding it themselves so their criticisms are actually unjustified. just a cheap excuse to desperately go out and find something to moan about when in reality it's a case of "Nothing to see here". fair enough at the start of the thread but when the facts of how it works are then explained and people still want to slag it off anyway because they didn't know that so it must still be the FAs fault, it's just daft IMO |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 2, 2014 12:46:33 GMT
I can't believe how much time time / effort you're spending responding to this thread i just think it's daft to slag off big clubs/the Prem/the FA etc. for all this when in reality no-one has done anything wrong here at all and it's simply a case of fans not understanding it themselves so their criticisms are actually unjustified. just a cheap excuse to desperately go out and find something to moan about when in reality it's a case of "Nothing to see here". fair enough at the start of the thread but when the facts of how it works are then explained and people still want to slag it off anyway because they didn't know that so it must still be the FAs fault, it's just daft IMO its called the transfer dealine, not the deal sheet deadline |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 2, 2014 12:48:41 GMT
I thought the important paperwork for those respected deals was through on time and it was minor details we needed to sort out, apparently Utd haven't put ANY paperwork through and simply applied for an extension which was accepted. If that's true then it sets a precedent which will surely be constantly exploited from now on? Which will most likely be thrown out. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 2, 2014 12:51:51 GMT
Why not have 11 0.clock to sign players, but have till midnight to sort out minor details, if they cant be sorted out by then, then it's tough titty, you don't get the player/s, pure and simple.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2014 13:16:01 GMT
Why is everyone getting so precious. Our business was/is done. What's the point in caring about the rest. What will be will be. We've just demonstrated that we can beat the Champions on their own pad. I couldn't give a fuck if Arsenal sign Welbeck, I'm in no doubt that come their arrival at the Brit, we will take 3 points and hopefully give them a good one away as well.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 2, 2014 13:18:26 GMT
Due to the domino effect of transfers I think it's fair enough.
As long as you don't take the piss and you have asked for an extension I don't see the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 13:33:42 GMT
i just think it's daft to slag off big clubs/the Prem/the FA etc. for all this when in reality no-one has done anything wrong here at all and it's simply a case of fans not understanding it themselves so their criticisms are actually unjustified. just a cheap excuse to desperately go out and find something to moan about when in reality it's a case of "Nothing to see here". fair enough at the start of the thread but when the facts of how it works are then explained and people still want to slag it off anyway because they didn't know that so it must still be the FAs fault, it's just daft IMO its called the transfer dealine, not the deal sheet deadline so???? are you telling me that if something is given a particular name it can't have any rulings behind it???? a title for anything does not in any way mean that there are no rules or conditions to be met does it? like i said, as long as the CLUBS (who are the ones that have to abide by the rules) know what those rules are then me and you understanding it is completely and 100% irrelevant because the rules aren't set for us. as with anything in life, if we want to find out all the rules about something that doesn't directly effect us or that we aren't bound by then the onus is on US to find them out not for them to change the title simply so you understand something better that isn't even anything to do with you or me anyway (unless we personally are going to start buying players). we also have "Bank holidays" but they aren't just holidays for Banks are they...there are rules behind the title of "Bank holiday" which set out who they do or don't apply to. there are rules entitled "Violent conduct" but that has several different conditions and rules behind it, there is a "Team sheet" that actually includes the full squad for that day rather than just the "Team". a title of something is just that and nothing more and for anyone to presume it must be 100% accurate and encompass the whole rule it's taling about is ludicrous and doesn't follow in most other walks of life either. would you prefer it if they called it "Transfer deadline for those deals that have been completed and ratified before an 11pm deadline and those that have submitted a Deal sheet for an extension until 1am" day? not quite as snappy is it??? as i said me, you, anyone else here understanding the full rules isn't important to the FA or the Prem because we aren't the ones that have to abide by them. if YOU want to find them out for your own purposes (i.e. us discussing them on football forums) then it's us that have to do the homework as it wasn't us they were drawn up for. anyway, i'm off to eat The Oatcake fans's forum (i'm presuming it MUST be made out of flour, eggs and oats) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 13:35:16 GMT
Why not have 11 0.clock to sign players, but have till midnight to sort out minor details, if they cant be sorted out by then, then it's tough titty, you don't get the player/s, pure and simple. i think all of that has been explained above in the rules. as has been pointed out, WE have had extensions in the past beforehand but amazing how no-one on here complained then eh? |
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Post by superpej on Sept 2, 2014 14:17:51 GMT
A deadline should be a deadline- if ALL the paperwork is not completed the transfer should not go through.
The "All Parties are Agreed Form" I doubt would be legally binding anyway and is clearly open to over extension.
As usual the FA puts its own processes into disrepute by fudging the issue and opening itself up justifiable criticism.
Its not about fans "not understanding the process" but about the FA maintain the highest standards which obviously it is not capable of doing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 14:22:29 GMT
A deadline should be a deadline- if ALL the paperwork is not completed the transfer should not go through. The "All Parties are Agreed Form" I doubt would be legally binding anyway and is clearly open to over extension. As usual the FA puts its own processes into disrepute by fudging the issue and opening itself up justifiable criticism. Its not about fans "not understanding the process" but about the FA maintain the highest standards which obviously it is not capable of doing. ???? so what you're saying is YOU have decided what the "Deadline" should mean and because the FA aren't doing that they're opening themselves up? the FA laid down the rules surrounding the Deadline, the clubs know those rules and abide by them full stop. i really don't understand your point here. pretty much every industry that set deadlines have rules built in for other scenarios and in life not everything is 100% cut and dried and most industries appreciate that. it's very rare for any business to set a deadline and refuse anyone who doesn't meet it if there are mitigating circumstances because scenarios like that are built into it (as has happened here). 1) how have they fudged the issue? the rules have been there for quite a while and the clubs know of them 2) why is the FA NOT maintianing the highest of standards simply because their ruling doesn't follow YOUR definition of what "Deadline" should be? as i said above, are you going to complain to the govt. that not just Banks take the day off on Bank Holidays or go mad because the whole matchday squad is named on the "Teamsheet"??? bizarre |
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