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Bojan
Sept 1, 2014 22:29:59 GMT
Post by ParaPsych on Sept 1, 2014 22:29:59 GMT
Is it possible that Diouf could find himself out from time to time? Suppose so. Wonder if we may start to see a home template and an away template. I just assumed that Diouf would lead the line and Crouch would be the one mssing out more often than not, but he doesn't really seem that type, although with his confidence up, maybe a player capable of doing that will emerge? I said on a thread a few weeks ago that I felt Crouch would get plenty of game time, although he's actually got even more than I expected so far. Honestly you could name hundreds of combinations and I'd probably be ok with them.
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Bojan
Sept 1, 2014 22:31:03 GMT
Post by ParaPsych on Sept 1, 2014 22:31:03 GMT
By doing what the previous regime seemingly didn't.. Tell them if they perform well in training and when they have the chance force their hand into playing them, much like Crouch and Walters did.. Playing them on merit not on favourite Fine in principle but it's easier said than done mate. Not sure the likes of Arnie and Bojan would be happy being benched for prolonged periods. Something will have to give. Expect players to be itching for a move come Christmas. But hopefully we'll be nailed on for that Champions League spot by then.
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Bojan
Sept 1, 2014 22:33:05 GMT
Post by philm87 on Sept 1, 2014 22:33:05 GMT
He is definitely best playing through the middle which = he can't play in the same team as Crouch AND Diouf
Ideally, I would like him playing in a central role, with the rest of the team built around him, but I'm just not sure that would work, particularly away from home.
Any chance he can be adapted to play wide? He certainly can cross the ball.
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Bojan
Sept 1, 2014 22:35:13 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 1, 2014 22:35:13 GMT
Fine in principle but it's easier said than done mate. Not sure the likes of Arnie and Bojan would be happy being benched for prolonged periods. Something will have to give. Expect players to be itching for a move come Christmas. But hopefully we'll be nailed on for that Champions League spot by then. Agreed think January could potentially see us lose 3 or 4 players which is fine..certainly Shea and Walters you'd imagine...just hope Arnie isn't one of them. Doesn't strike me as a character who will happily sit on the bench for weeks. Great talent just hope he gets a chance and takes it against Leicester.
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Bojan
Sept 1, 2014 22:39:04 GMT
Post by AlliG on Sept 1, 2014 22:39:04 GMT
Feels like the forgotten man already. A few weeks ago he was the player everyone was talking about. Where do you see him fitting in and is there any place for him in the starting xi against Leicester? If we don't play him at home to the likes of Leicester then when do we play him ? History would suggest he's our most talented player but it certainly hasn't been the dream start for him. Can't be good for his confidence the longer he's kept on the bench. It is usually accepted that it takes time to adjust to English football and we now have the squad to allow him to do so. If it took Arnie until after Christmas before he settled in, why wouldn't anyone give Bojan a similar length of time before they start worrying about him? There is nothing wrong with using him as a "supersub" for the next few months.
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Bojan
Sept 1, 2014 22:40:55 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 1, 2014 22:40:55 GMT
Feels like the forgotten man already. A few weeks ago he was the player everyone was talking about. Where do you see him fitting in and is there any place for him in the starting xi against Leicester? If we don't play him at home to the likes of Leicester then when do we play him ? History would suggest he's our most talented player but it certainly hasn't been the dream start for him. Can't be good for his confidence the longer he's kept on the bench. It is usually accepted that it takes time to adjust to English football and we now have the squad to allow him to do so. If it took Arnie until after Christmas before he settled in, why wouldn't anyone give Bojan a similar length of time before they start worrying about him? There is nothing wrong with using him as a "supersub" for the next few months. Don't think he envisaged coming to Stoke from Barca to sit on the bench for 4 months.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 1, 2014 22:43:00 GMT
All this smacks of pure ambition to win a cup (or even both of the fuckers) and go balls out to get to Europe next year.
Obviously the players who have signed will be aware of the competition in the side, so I really wonder if the ambition of the Europa League has been used as a selling point? I know we're not there at the moment (obviously) but if we're seriously discussing it with potential players?
You'd think with the exception of one or two in our 25 man squad, pretty much every player has either played in Europe, has the talent to, or has the potential to.
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Bojan
Sept 1, 2014 23:18:15 GMT
Post by AlliG on Sept 1, 2014 23:18:15 GMT
Don't think he envisaged coming to Stoke from Barca to sit on the bench for 4 months. Well he knows what to do then. When his opportunity comes, make himself undroppable!
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Bojan
Sept 1, 2014 23:25:40 GMT
Post by Gods on Sept 1, 2014 23:25:40 GMT
I can see Bojan and Arnie, if they don't get regular starts, getting mightily pissed off, mightily quickly.
This is all going to take some smart management to keep everyone on-side.
More likely something will have to give.
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Post by mark71 on Sept 2, 2014 0:19:30 GMT
I can see Bojan and Arnie, if they don't get regular starts, getting mightily pissed off, mightily quickly. This is all going to take some smart management to keep everyone on-side. More likely something will have to give. If Arnie finds himself on the bench he's only got himself to blame. He's had 2 starts and been utter dog shit in both of them. I really rate Arnie but he's done himself no favours so far this season.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 2, 2014 0:56:47 GMT
Oh and Tuncay wasn't shit. No he wasn't, not at all. It was just the clueless manager who had diddly squat idea of how to use his immense talent. Just imagine a Tuncay in his prime with the sort of players around him we have now.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 1:51:31 GMT
Post by PotterLog on Sept 2, 2014 1:51:31 GMT
Captained and played over 80 games for a national side that achieved far more than England did during the same period. Granted England are shit but let's not forget if he did the same for England I bet you would have a different stance I just judge Stoke players on how they do for Stoke. Not if you describe Tuncay as "fucking shit" you don't. FML
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 3:39:07 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 2, 2014 3:39:07 GMT
Oh and Tuncay wasn't shit. No he wasn't, not at all. It was just the clueless manager who had diddly squat idea of how to use his immense talent. Just imagine a Tuncay in his prime with the sort of players around him we have now. He had a team built around him at Middlesbrough and he didn't particularly impress as well as helping to get them relegated, came to use and had a couple of decent games but in no way undropable, went abroad, did nothing in a lesser league, went to Bolton and was even worse, if we had him now he'd be getting sold given the people we have.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 2, 2014 6:45:39 GMT
Bojan is a number 10, not a winger - whilst the switch to a front 2 last weekend would seem to limit his involvement going forward, there is no evidence that this was anything other than a plan designed for one game. Hughes likes his 4-2-3-1 formation, and Bojan fits into that well. He is never going to be used in those away games where we are under the cosh and having to dig in. He is a player for games for when we are on top and need to unlock stubborn defences. I can see him starting at home far more than away, and even then he may see more 30 minute cameos for now rather than starts, as he gets used to English football. Ireland's injury may see him play a bit more than was intended, but no doubt the manager will tell him to be patient. He has signed for 4 years remember.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 2, 2014 6:52:14 GMT
Oh and Tuncay wasn't shit. No he wasn't, not at all. It was just the clueless manager who had diddly squat idea of how to use his immense talent. Just imagine a Tuncay in his prime with the sort of players around him we have now. Yeah Tony Pulis had absolutely no idea what was going on. How we survived, got promoted, survived, got to a cup final, went into Europe in spite of Pulis' total lack of footballing brain was incredible. It's even more incredible that Palace finished mid table in spite of him
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 6:55:30 GMT
Post by jeycov on Sept 2, 2014 6:55:30 GMT
Something will have to give. Expect players to be itching for a move come Christmas. But hopefully we'll be nailed on for that Champions League spot by then. Agreed think January could potentially see us lose 3 or 4 players which is fine..certainly Shea and Walters you'd imagine...just hope Arnie isn't one of them. Doesn't strike me as a character who will happily sit on the bench for weeks. Great talent just hope he gets a chance and takes it against Leicester. If we are hoping to "push on", then we need to move to operating like one of the bigger clubs. Their managers have to work to include everyone at some point (some but not all of them have European games to consider) . The fact that no one has handed in a transfer request as far as we know, indicates that all are willing to fight for a place. Over to MH and co to use their experience to get the best from the situation.
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Post by Davef on Sept 2, 2014 6:58:21 GMT
No he wasn't, not at all. It was just the clueless manager who had diddly squat idea of how to use his immense talent. Just imagine a Tuncay in his prime with the sort of players around him we have now. He had a team built around him at Middlesbrough and he didn't particularly impress as well as helping to get them relegated, came to use and had a couple of decent games but in no way undropable, went abroad, did nothing in a lesser league, went to Bolton and was even worse, if we had him now he'd be getting sold given the people we have. If he was that bad, and "helped to get Middlesbrough relegated" why did we sign him in the first place, and furthermore, why did we sign Robert Huth? He was just as culpable in Boro going down wasn't he?
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 7:04:04 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 2, 2014 7:04:04 GMT
He had a team built around him at Middlesbrough and he didn't particularly impress as well as helping to get them relegated, came to use and had a couple of decent games but in no way undropable, went abroad, did nothing in a lesser league, went to Bolton and was even worse, if we had him now he'd be getting sold given the people we have. If he was that bad, and "helped to get Middlesbrough relegated" why did we sign him in the first place, and furthermore, why did we sign Robert Huth? He was just as culpable in Boro going down wasn't he? Also wasn't Tuncay voted player of the season in consecutive years while being Boro's top scorer. Hilarious how people still rewrite history to justify TP starting plodders over those with technical ability.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 7:05:50 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 2, 2014 7:05:50 GMT
Furthermore it goes without saying he ripped the championship a new cunt in the few games he played at that level prior to us signing him.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 7:08:39 GMT
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Post by werrington on Sept 2, 2014 7:08:39 GMT
He had a team built around him at Middlesbrough and he didn't particularly impress as well as helping to get them relegated, came to use and had a couple of decent games but in no way undropable, went abroad, did nothing in a lesser league, went to Bolton and was even worse, if we had him now he'd be getting sold given the people we have. If he was that bad, and "helped to get Middlesbrough relegated" why did we sign him in the first place, and furthermore, why did we sign Robert Huth? He was just as culpable in Boro going down wasn't he? I love the scenario that a player is only as good as his teams final league placing Mascherano and Tevez played for a club who avoided relegation by the skin of their teeth Indeed Everton signed a player who was a mainstay for a club who got relegated from the 2nd to the 3rd before before they promptly bought him ......his name was Tim Cahill wtf ever became of those 3 and the clubs stupid enough to purchase them ?
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 2, 2014 7:16:33 GMT
He was a good player but not a patch on Ric
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 7:34:29 GMT
Post by JoeinOz on Sept 2, 2014 7:34:29 GMT
We are seeing the benefit of a strong squad. On Saturday we deservedly won away at the champions. Every one on of the players was colossal. Despite their brilliance they know we have good players to replace them if they take their eye off the ball. We have quality like Arnie and Bojan waiting to play a part. Competition for places with quality players wanting to be involved. Good innit!
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 7:40:03 GMT
Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 7:40:03 GMT
I can see Bojan and Arnie, if they don't get regular starts, getting mightily pissed off, mightily quickly. This is all going to take some smart management to keep everyone on-side. More likely something will have to give. If Arnie finds himself on the bench he's only got himself to blame. He's had 2 starts and been utter dog shit in both of them. I really rate Arnie but he's done himself no favours so far this season. If Arnie doesn't get into the side and we go on a fantastic run up to January with the other players we have, then I wouldn't care if we sold him for a decent price. Likewise, I would apply this logic to most of our players. Our squad is big enough to lose 1 or 2 players that although decent, don't get games, with the exception of the GK / CB roles.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 7:49:46 GMT
Post by jeycov on Sept 2, 2014 7:49:46 GMT
If Arnie finds himself on the bench he's only got himself to blame. He's had 2 starts and been utter dog shit in both of them. I really rate Arnie but he's done himself no favours so far this season. If Arnie doesn't get into the side and we go on a fantastic run up to January with the other players we have, then I wouldn't care if we sold him for a decent price. Likewise, I would apply this logic to most of our players. Our squad is big enough to lose 1 or 2 players that although decent, don't get games, with the exception of the GK / CB roles. Our squad isn't big or strong enough to lose 1-2 players if we have injuries / suspensions to any of our key players (debatable as to who these are?) Arnie will come good, for our game away at Sunderland in the Cup, I think that we will see a few "bench players" feature We are only just in September, in recent seasons many players would only just be joining us at this point, all are now committed to the club and will want as much action as possible
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 7:59:46 GMT
Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 7:59:46 GMT
If Arnie doesn't get into the side and we go on a fantastic run up to January with the other players we have, then I wouldn't care if we sold him for a decent price. Likewise, I would apply this logic to most of our players. Our squad is big enough to lose 1 or 2 players that although decent, don't get games, with the exception of the GK / CB roles. Our squad isn't big or strong enough to lose 1-2 players if we have injuries / suspensions to any of our key players (debatable as to who these are?) Arnie will come good, for our game away at Sunderland in the Cup, I think that we will see a few "bench players" feature We are only just in September, in recent seasons many players would only just be joining us at this point, all are now committed to the club and will want as much action as possible I agree that if we get suspensions / injuries (Odem being 1 already) then we need a big squad. I just hope that we don't get knocked out of the cups early.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 8:06:03 GMT
Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 2, 2014 8:06:03 GMT
The little feller is a class act,so I'm sure M.Hughes will find a way of playing him to our advantage.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 11:03:55 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 2, 2014 11:03:55 GMT
He had a team built around him at Middlesbrough and he didn't particularly impress as well as helping to get them relegated, came to use and had a couple of decent games but in no way undropable, went abroad, did nothing in a lesser league, went to Bolton and was even worse, if we had him now he'd be getting sold given the people we have. If he was that bad, and "helped to get Middlesbrough relegated" why did we sign him in the first place, and furthermore, why did we sign Robert Huth? He was just as culpable in Boro going down wasn't he? The team wasn't built around Huth, Tuncay was meant to be the main man for the most part and it ended up being the wrong way to go, I think we signed him because Pulis was trying to appease the fans that badly wanted someone with a bit of flare to come in.
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Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 11:14:16 GMT
If he was that bad, and "helped to get Middlesbrough relegated" why did we sign him in the first place, and furthermore, why did we sign Robert Huth? He was just as culpable in Boro going down wasn't he? The team wasn't built around Huth, Tuncay was meant to be the main man for the most part and it ended up being the wrong way to go, I think we signed him because Pulis was trying to appease the fans that badly wanted someone with a bit of flare to come in. A bit of 'Flare' you say?
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 11:15:28 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 2, 2014 11:15:28 GMT
If he was that bad, and "helped to get Middlesbrough relegated" why did we sign him in the first place, and furthermore, why did we sign Robert Huth? He was just as culpable in Boro going down wasn't he? I love the scenario that a player is only as good as his teams final league placing Mascherano and Tevez played for a club who avoided relegation by the skin of their teeth
Indeed Everton signed a player who was a mainstay for a club who got relegated from the 2nd to the 3rd before before they promptly bought him ......his name was Tim Cahill wtf ever became of those 3 and the clubs stupid enough to purchase them ? Because of what they did and how they played, Tuncay wasn't good enough to do it and it was hoped he was, if he was any good he would have proved it since us like the others you mention, what happened to him again
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 2, 2014 11:16:36 GMT
Obviously I'm going overboard by saying Tuncay was shit as a wind up, but I honestly think if we had him now he would struggle to even make the bench given the talent we have
He was ok and could get the odd goal and had a couple of splendid games. Obviously he played with lots of energy and passion too. So he was a bit like Walters really, with more backheels and far less appearances.
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