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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 11:25:23 GMT
Post by Davef on Sept 2, 2014 11:25:23 GMT
If he was that bad, and "helped to get Middlesbrough relegated" why did we sign him in the first place, and furthermore, why did we sign Robert Huth? He was just as culpable in Boro going down wasn't he? The team wasn't built around Huth, Tuncay was meant to be the main man for the most part and it ended up being the wrong way to go, I think we signed him because Pulis was trying to appease the fans that badly wanted someone with a bit of flare to come in. Trying to appease fans isn't really the basis on which to spend £5M of the club's money is it?
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 11:28:22 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 2, 2014 11:28:22 GMT
The team wasn't built around Huth, Tuncay was meant to be the main man for the most part and it ended up being the wrong way to go, I think we signed him because Pulis was trying to appease the fans that badly wanted someone with a bit of flare to come in. Trying to appease fans isn't really the basis on which to spend £5M of the club's money is it? I'm not saying its the right thing to do, I just think its why he did it, he clearly didn't have much of an idea how he wanted to use him or that he'd fit into the system he wanted to play. Edit: but I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to Bojan on either count, I'm sure he just needs time to get used to the league, much like Arnie did to begin with.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 11:30:29 GMT
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 2, 2014 11:30:29 GMT
The team wasn't built around Huth, Tuncay was meant to be the main man for the most part and it ended up being the wrong way to go, I think we signed him because Pulis was trying to appease the fans that badly wanted someone with a bit of flare to come in. Trying to appease fans isn't really the basis on which to spend £5M of the club's money is it? He signed him because he thought he might be a good signing. It didn't work out that way but we got our money back no harm done. I'm amazed my rather flippant comment to annoy rossi is getting turned into an anti TP thread by the usual suspects but there we go. Back on topic, Bojan will score against Leicester.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 11:35:45 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2014 11:35:45 GMT
Something will have to give. Expect players to be itching for a move come Christmas. But hopefully we'll be nailed on for that Champions League spot by then. Agreed think January could potentially see us lose 3 or 4 players which is fine..certainly Shea and Walters you'd imagine...just hope Arnie isn't one of them. Doesn't strike me as a character who will happily sit on the bench for weeks. Great talent just hope he gets a chance and takes it against Leicester. Ironically, Wingie's injury makes Arnie's starting place more secure. The cover for Wingie will mostly come from Moses switching to the right (he has played on both wings regularly in the past). That means Arnie will mainly compete with Assaidi for a start on the left - a competition which he is more likely to win as Assaidi dies does not provide the competition Moses does.
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Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 11:48:23 GMT
Agreed think January could potentially see us lose 3 or 4 players which is fine..certainly Shea and Walters you'd imagine...just hope Arnie isn't one of them. Doesn't strike me as a character who will happily sit on the bench for weeks. Great talent just hope he gets a chance and takes it against Leicester. Ironically, Wingie's injury makes Arnie's starting place more secure. The cover for Wingie will mostly come from Moses switching to the right (he has played on both wings regularly in the past). That means Arnie will mainly compete with Assaidi for a start on the left - a competition which he is more likely to win as Assaidi dies not provide the competition Moses does. I sincerely hope that if Assaidi dies we can stop paying his loan fee and ship him back to Liverpool.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 12:08:55 GMT
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 2, 2014 12:08:55 GMT
What offers the most the team Crouch/ Diouf. Crouch/Bojan, Diouf/ Bojan, Diouf/ Ireland, Crouch/Ireland. Adam could also be thrown into the equation. Hughes needs to work it out, and quickly.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 12:11:54 GMT
Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 12:11:54 GMT
I'm all for (and would prefer) to give Bojan more game time.
However if that means results like in the first 2 games then I can't see (and don't want to see) it happen.
Giving him some substitute appearances whilst getting him down to the gym to beef himself up a bit is what I expect Hughes will do.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 12:15:57 GMT
Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 2, 2014 12:15:57 GMT
Slow burner I think they will work on his strength and stamina and slowly let him adapt to the English game , initially I reckon he will use him towards the end of games when teams are getting tired and there is more space , there will be a lot more squad rotation this season I reckon
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 13:17:03 GMT
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Post by Stoke711 on Sept 2, 2014 13:17:03 GMT
The good thing about our squad being so strong, we can afford to drop players who are out of form, rotate those who struggle with a few games in a row. Any minor injuries can be rested & allowed to heal properly without hurtibg the team.
Hughes has said he plans to rotate, so I'm sure he'll find a place for everyone.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 2, 2014 13:22:27 GMT
I think the situation at Stoke can now help him shine.
We've signed him for peanuts (fee wise) and we've had 6 other arrivals during the summer.
We as fans aren't putting the season's expectations on his shoulders alone and he can ease his way into Premier League life without any pressure.
He's here for four years potentially so time is on his side to get into the frame of mind and condition that will see his undoubted talent come to the fore.
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Post by ti on Sept 2, 2014 14:04:01 GMT
Front four I would like to see:
Diouf Arnie Bojan Moses
Against Villa at home Diouf kept trying to make runs in behind but I don't think the rest of our midfield/Ireland are really the 'sliderule' passing types. Bojan himself was on the right wing and kept swapping with Diouf which prevented any real link up between them. I can't help but replay that pass Bojan pushed through for Crouch against Hull where Crouch, lacking pace or a long shot, cut in again. I think Diouf would eat them up all day with his pace and strength. I really think the two of those together on a counter-attack could be an excellent source of goals for us this season.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 14:04:55 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 2, 2014 14:04:55 GMT
Trying to appease fans isn't really the basis on which to spend £5M of the club's money is it? He signed him because he thought he might be a good signing. It didn't work out that way but we got our money back no harm done. I'm amazed my rather flippant comment to annoy rossi is getting turned into an anti TP thread by the usual suspects but there we go. Back on topic, Bojan will score against Leicester. You should know by now the PHW brigade don't need any encouragement to turn a thread into an anti-TP one. I'm surprised nobody blamed him for Wingy's injury....
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 2, 2014 14:13:26 GMT
He signed him because he thought he might be a good signing. It didn't work out that way but we got our money back no harm done. I'm amazed my rather flippant comment to annoy rossi is getting turned into an anti TP thread by the usual suspects but there we go. Back on topic, Bojan will score against Leicester. You should know by now the PHW brigade don't need any encouragement to turn a thread into an anti-TP one. I'm surprised nobody blamed him for Wingy's injury.... Had Tone not fucked up the Turks career by his utter cluelessness then Tunny would still be with us and we would have never needed Odemwingie and therefore his injury would be irrelevant. Nanana hey hey hey Tuncay!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 2, 2014 14:31:36 GMT
Front four I would like to see: Diouf Arnie Bojan Moses Against Villa at home Diouf kept trying to make runs in behind but I don't think the rest of our midfield/Ireland are really the 'sliderule' passing types. Bojan himself was on the right wing and kept swapping with Diouf which prevented any real link up between them. I can't help but replay that pass Bojan pushed through for Crouch against Hull where Crouch, lacking pace or a long shot, cut in again. I think Diouf would eat them up all day with his pace and strength. I really think the two of those together on a counter-attack could be an excellent source of goals for us this season. That's what I want to see, pace, power, strength, skill, flair, the lot. Get them gelling and understanding each other properly and that could be something really, really special.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 17:09:57 GMT
Post by nott1 on Sept 2, 2014 17:09:57 GMT
What offers the most the team Crouch/ Diouf. Crouch/Bojan, Diouf/ Bojan, Diouf/ Ireland, Crouch/Ireland. Adam could also be thrown into the equation. Hughes needs to work it out, and quickly. No he doesn't. Whatever combo he uses will be good enough for 3 points.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 18:42:01 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Sept 2, 2014 18:42:01 GMT
Bojan is a class act; you can tell from his first touch and the time he has when he gets the ball. Granted he was over-whelmed in his first match against Villa; this was due to a combination of things IMO. He was taken by surprise by the speed and physicality of the Premier L., never got into his stride, Villa played very well defensively, other Stoke players had a very poor match. When he came on against Hull, the team performance improved (although still not good enough against 10 men), he put in a couple of useful crosses, and generally he looked a lot better.
I'm sure he is going to be a great asset if given time and his team mates play to his strengths and don't give him hospital passes. It would be silly to play him against the likes of a Lee Cattermole until he is well versed in the ways of the Prem L.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 18:55:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 18:55:38 GMT
Front four I would like to see: Diouf Arnie Bojan Moses Against Villa at home Diouf kept trying to make runs in behind but I don't think the rest of our midfield/Ireland are really the 'sliderule' passing types. Bojan himself was on the right wing and kept swapping with Diouf which prevented any real link up between them. I can't help but replay that pass Bojan pushed through for Crouch against Hull where Crouch, lacking pace or a long shot, cut in again. I think Diouf would eat them up all day with his pace and strength. I really think the two of those together on a counter-attack could be an excellent source of goals for us this season. Diouf can't do the lone striker role judging by what we've seen so far. Crouch must start
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Post by slpmarc on Sept 2, 2014 19:12:05 GMT
Front four I would like to see: Diouf Arnie Bojan Moses Against Villa at home Diouf kept trying to make runs in behind but I don't think the rest of our midfield/Ireland are really the 'sliderule' passing types. Bojan himself was on the right wing and kept swapping with Diouf which prevented any real link up between them. I can't help but replay that pass Bojan pushed through for Crouch against Hull where Crouch, lacking pace or a long shot, cut in again. I think Diouf would eat them up all day with his pace and strength. I really think the two of those together on a counter-attack could be an excellent source of goals for us this season. Diouf can't do the lone striker role judging by what we've seen so far. Crouch must start The two games he was poor we had no one supplying service to him, the game against Man city we had pace on the pitch to help him. Crouch should play against the sides we play counter attack on as it gives us the quick out ball, but against lesser sides Bojan should play in the middle where he is best, with now Moses and Assaidi supplying pace and service from out wide
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 19:14:10 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 2, 2014 19:14:10 GMT
Trying to appease fans isn't really the basis on which to spend £5M of the club's money is it? He signed him because he thought he might be a good signing. It didn't work out that way but we got our money back no harm done. I'm amazed my rather flippant comment to annoy rossi is getting turned into an anti TP thread by the usual suspects but there we go. Back on topic, Bojan will score against Leicester. I don't see it as anti TP at all, i don't rate him, some do, thats the convo we're are having.
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 20:02:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 20:02:19 GMT
Diouf can't do the lone striker role judging by what we've seen so far. Crouch must start The two games he was poor we had no one supplying service to him, the game against Man city we had pace on the pitch to help him. Crouch should play against the sides we play counter attack on as it gives us the quick out ball, but against lesser sides Bojan should play in the middle where he is best, with now Moses and Assaidi supplying pace and service from out wide The game against Man C we had Crouch on the pitch ! Bojan should be on the bench for me until Hughes works out how to fully utilise him
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Bojan
Sept 2, 2014 21:00:04 GMT
Post by siggy on Sept 2, 2014 21:00:04 GMT
I can see Hughes keeping Bojan out for certain games and bring him him on as sub if he feels it will work.
He can rotate and rest him a bit as needed and start him if we want to get at them straight away.
We played Citeh exactly right I'd say we won back the points we gave to Villa and just need to get the two we dropped at Hull
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Bojan
Sept 3, 2014 6:31:29 GMT
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Post by werrington on Sept 3, 2014 6:31:29 GMT
I can see Hughes keeping Bojan out for certain games and bring him him on as sub if he feels it will work. He can rotate and rest him a bit as needed and start him if we want to get at them straight away. We played Citeh exactly right I'd say we won back the points we gave to Villa and just need to get the two we dropped at Hull 2 dropped at Hull !!!....makes you / us sound arrogant Come on mate that's a bit above our station ......it was a good away point against a club in a par with ourselves
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Bojan
Sept 3, 2014 7:13:39 GMT
Post by apb1 on Sept 3, 2014 7:13:39 GMT
I can see Hughes keeping Bojan out for certain games and bring him him on as sub if he feels it will work. He can rotate and rest him a bit as needed and start him if we want to get at them straight away. We played Citeh exactly right I'd say we won back the points we gave to Villa and just need to get the two we dropped at Hull 2 dropped at Hull !!!....makes you / us sound arrogant Come on mate that's a bit above our station ......it was a good away point against a club in a par with ourselves I think he means it's two dropped given the early red card for them. Agree that a point at Hull would be ok otherwise
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Bojan
Sept 3, 2014 7:35:13 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 3, 2014 7:35:13 GMT
2 dropped at Hull !!!....makes you / us sound arrogant Come on mate that's a bit above our station ......it was a good away point against a club in a par with ourselves I think he means it's two dropped given the early red card for them. Agree that a point at Hull would be ok otherwise Agreed. A point away to a full strength Hull is an ok result. Against 10 men you'd hope for a win - even though it meant they packed their defence and actually caused us more problems as a result. It is all part of the learning curve - we have to work out the best formation and team to beat a packed defence. Not every team will be as accommodating as Citeh!
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