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Post by thevoid on Nov 13, 2014 12:10:03 GMT
Not as good as Walters....ok If he's better than Walters (which he is), then by default he's better than Arnie How In the name of sanity does that stack up?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 13, 2014 12:30:25 GMT
Assaidi will go back end of season, Arnautovic is crap, Walters will be 32 next year. Signing Lennon would be a massive improvement and good competition for Moses and Odemwingie when fit.
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Post by foster on Nov 13, 2014 12:45:55 GMT
Would love to sign Lennon.
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Post by upthefud on Nov 13, 2014 12:47:06 GMT
Better than Marko Arnautovic, better than Walters, not quite as good as Moses. I used to think he was England's next big thing. I've always preferred a winger with pace. Think he'd fit in well with Diouf leading the line but not so much Crouch You think Assaidi is better than Arnie. Don't be daft mate. Arnie's having a bad spell but on his day, Arnie would probably walk into a top 6 team. I think Walters is better than Arnie. This thread got a little confusing earlier, Arnie is better than Assaidi though I'd agree
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Post by upthefud on Nov 13, 2014 12:50:17 GMT
If he's better than Walters (which he is), then by default he's better than Arnie How In the name of sanity does that stack up? LENNON not Assaidi. Moses is better than Lennon who is better than Diouf (out wide) who is better than Walters who is better than Arnie who is better than Assaidi. I hope this simplifies a lot
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Post by stone6 on Nov 13, 2014 12:56:34 GMT
Assaidi will go back end of season, Arnautovic is crap, Walters will be 32 next year. Signing Lennon would be a massive improvement and good competition for Moses and Odemwingie when fit. How have you managed to write off a 'fit' Walters who is 32 next year against Odemwingie who is 34 next year and currently trying to recover from a very serious injury that we have no idea what affect will have on his game? Just asking....
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Post by 99problems on Nov 13, 2014 12:59:03 GMT
Assaidi will go back end of season, Arnautovic is crap, Walters will be 32 next year. Signing Lennon would be a massive improvement and good competition for Moses and Odemwingie when fit. Agree with most of that, but absolutely disagree about Arnautovic. The bloke is superb, just on a bad spell, and it's not like he's getting game time to turn it around.
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Post by foster on Nov 13, 2014 13:09:09 GMT
How In the name of sanity does that stack up? LENNON not Assaidi. Moses is better than Lennon who is better than Diouf (out wide) who is better than Walters who is better than Arnie who is better than Assaidi. I hope this simplifies a lot That certainly does thanks. Maybe you can apply your logic to this eternal question. Fire burns Wood, whereas Wood floats on Water, but Water puts out Fire. Therefore, of Fire, Wood and Water, which one would play best for Stoke when being subbed on after 78 minutes for SJW?
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 13, 2014 13:51:43 GMT
LENNON not Assaidi. Moses is better than Lennon who is better than Diouf (out wide) who is better than Walters who is better than Arnie who is better than Assaidi. I hope this simplifies a lot That certainly does thanks. Maybe you can apply your logic to this eternal question. Fire burns Wood, whereas Wood floats on Water, but Water puts out Fire. Therefore, of Fire, Wood and Water, which one would play best for Stoke when being subbed on after 78 minutes for SJW? Also rock beats scissors....and scissors beat paper whilst paper beats rock...... ...............Sorry to butt in on the discussion but I though that might help with this (anti)logic conundrum discussion
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Post by thevoid on Nov 13, 2014 14:07:29 GMT
That certainly does thanks. Maybe you can apply your logic to this eternal question. Fire burns Wood, whereas Wood floats on Water, but Water puts out Fire. Therefore, of Fire, Wood and Water, which one would play best for Stoke when being subbed on after 78 minutes for SJW? Also rock beats scissors....and scissors beat paper whilst paper beats rock...... ...............Sorry to butt in on the discussion but I though that might help with this (anti)logic conundrum discussion YAHTZEE!
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 13, 2014 14:33:58 GMT
Assaidi will go back end of season, Arnautovic is crap, Walters will be 32 next year. Signing Lennon would be a massive improvement and good competition for Moses and Odemwingie when fit. How have you managed to write off a 'fit' Walters who is 32 next year against Odemwingie who is 34 next year and currently trying to recover from a very serious injury that we have no idea what affect will have on his game? Just asking.... Hackett's famous for spouting off before he's considered what he's trying to say
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Nov 13, 2014 14:45:57 GMT
LENNON not Assaidi. Moses is better than Lennon who is better than Diouf (out wide) who is better than Walters who is better than Arnie who is better than Assaidi. I hope this simplifies a lot That certainly does thanks. Maybe you can apply your logic to this eternal question. Fire burns Wood, whereas Wood floats on Water, but Water puts out Fire. Therefore, of Fire, Wood and Water, which one would play best for Stoke when being subbed on after 78 minutes for SJW? I was always thought the eternal question was "How many Frenchmen can't be wrong?"... but that's probably got very little or, to be perfectly honest, probably nothing to do with this debate.
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 13, 2014 14:51:37 GMT
Lennon is right sided, so discount Moses, Assaidi and Arnautovic from comparisons as they all prefer the left. So that leaves us with Walters (32 and really a central player, honest trier but little in the way of explosive pace or trickery, though going through a great spell at present), Diouf (a central striker who tries his best wide right, but is not best suited to that role) and Odemwingie (approaching 34, recovering from serious knee surgery, our best option before his injury, but unknown return date and reaction to injury raises doubts for future). On that basis, Aaron Lennon would straight away be challenging, and more than likely replacing, Walters for the right sided spot.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Nov 13, 2014 15:44:11 GMT
It's his lack of goals that would worry me.
For all their limitations, Walters/Wingie have a useful habit of popping up with a goal every now and then.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 13, 2014 16:02:08 GMT
Splash the cash on a player that will be out of contract at the end of the season, please no. As for Lennon, I'm not convinced by him, as has been mentioned he's very much a headless chicken, but you never know, a fresh start etc.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 13, 2014 16:05:21 GMT
How In the name of sanity does that stack up? LENNON not Assaidi. Moses is better than Lennon who is better than Diouf (out wide) who is better than Walters who is better than Arnie who is better than Assaidi. I hope this simplifies a lot Diouf better than Walters out wide , Diouf hasn't got a clue what he's is doing out wide, he is purely a striker and I hope we never see him played on the right again.
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Post by spartanstokie on Nov 13, 2014 16:13:27 GMT
surly it will be like when we got Moses..... i remember people saying he was washed up useless overrated ect ect yet
personally i think he is brilliant
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Post by nott1 on Nov 13, 2014 18:25:30 GMT
He is the best of the blind alley merchants, which features the likes of Hoilett, Downing & Johnson, all of whom have no idea how to put in a good cross!
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Post by onionman on Nov 13, 2014 18:34:53 GMT
He is the best of the blind alley merchants, which features the likes of Hoilett, Downing & Johnson, all of whom have no idea how to put in a good cross! Also Wright-Phillips, Townsend, Young, Agbonlahor. I think I read that about 15 years ago the coaching gurus identified pace as the key to England's future success, so began concentrating on teaching players to run as fast as they can. Thought that one through, didn't they. That said Lennon would be great for a club like Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 18:40:43 GMT
He is the best of the blind alley merchants, which features the likes of Hoilett, Downing & Johnson, all of whom have no idea how to put in a good cross! Also Wright-Phillips, Townsend, Young, Agbonlahor. I think I read that about 15 years ago the coaching gurus identified pace as the key to England's future success, so began concentrating on teaching players to run as fast as they can. Thought that one through, didn't they. That said Lennon would be great for a club like Stoke. I'm not sure that you can teach someone to be fast, you're either fast or you're not - however, they seem to have put this at the top of their tick-list and then by the time they got to technical ability, tactics...who cares, they're fast!?
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 13, 2014 18:51:14 GMT
I played at uni with a guy like that - he switched from playing wing at rugby after seeing his bessie mate break his neck in a tackle. We just hit the ball behind the full back and he'd burn past him to get it (he was national schools 100m champ as well!). Only problem was what he would do once he got it, as his touch was awful. We then tried to get him to run from out to in (ahead of our time with inverted wingers) in the hope that, once he got to the ball, he then just thumped it as hard as he could at the goal. He was our leading goal scorer that year!!
Lennon would be a superstar if he could cross and shoot.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 13, 2014 19:00:44 GMT
I played at uni with a guy like that - he switched from playing wing at rugby after seeing his bessie mate break his neck in a tackle. We just hit the ball behind the full back and he'd burn past him to get it (he was national schools 100m champ as well!). Only problem was what he would do once he got it, as his touch was awful. We then tried to get him to run from out to in (ahead of our time with inverted wingers) in the hope that, once he got to the ball, he then just thumped it as hard as he could at the goal. He was our leading goal scorer that year!! Lennon would be a superstar if he could cross and shoot. That's why I hope Lennon is a smoke screen for Yarmolenko, who can sign a pre contract in January. If he does (and it is a precon with us) then a smallish fee might tempt Kiev to let us take him before the end of the window.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 13, 2014 19:25:26 GMT
Assaidi will go back end of season, Arnautovic is crap, Walters will be 32 next year. Signing Lennon would be a massive improvement and good competition for Moses and Odemwingie when fit. Agree with most of that, but absolutely disagree about Arnautovic. The bloke is superb, just on a bad spell, and it's not like he's getting game time to turn it around. Apart from a 8 week period in the last 15 months he's been total dogshit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 19:32:51 GMT
Agree with most of that, but absolutely disagree about Arnautovic. The bloke is superb, just on a bad spell, and it's not like he's getting game time to turn it around. Apart from a 8 week period in the last 15 months he's been total dogshit. Your football knowledge is about as good as your transfer knowledge.
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Post by fca47 on Nov 13, 2014 19:59:34 GMT
Apart from a 8 week period in the last 15 months he's been total dogshit. Your football knowledge is about as good as your transfer knowledge. You think he's playing well then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 20:11:19 GMT
Your football knowledge is about as good as your transfer knowledge. You think he's playing well then. I didn't say he was playing well, but to call him total dogshit is ludicrous, the guy is a class footballer.
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Post by takeshikovacs on Nov 13, 2014 21:38:34 GMT
Someone I'd love to have at Stoke to scare the shite out of defenders would be that Jefferson Montero. Looks razor sharp, quicker than my Mrs at the January sales, and not without a bit of skill too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 23:15:32 GMT
Agree with most of that, but absolutely disagree about Arnautovic. The bloke is superb, just on a bad spell, and it's not like he's getting game time to turn it around. Apart from a 8 week period in the last 15 months he's been total dogshit. He's one of my favourite players and I can't disagree with that. OK, maybe three months rather than 8 weeks :-)
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Post by Northy on Nov 14, 2014 8:01:43 GMT
You think he's playing well then. I didn't say he was playing well, but to call him total dogshit is ludicrous, the guy is a class footballer. when he can be bothered?
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Post by Danstoke82 on Nov 14, 2014 8:22:57 GMT
If we could sign Lennon in January and maybe tie up a permanent deal for Moses then our wing attack will be frightening.
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