sifta
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Post by sifta on Aug 31, 2014 17:04:30 GMT
Leicester has double the population of Stoke-on-Trent! Probably very similar if you take in the whole reach of Stoke City though but have no idea how wide their reach is... According to wiki Stoke "built up area" 372,000 and Leicester "built up area" 508,000. Factor that in along with the fact that we have 2 league clubs and you can pretty quickly see a greater proportion of the citizens of Stoke attend football games than those of Leicester do. ^ This
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Post by alansuddick on Aug 31, 2014 17:13:39 GMT
oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/221443/attendances-liequote author=" bayernoatcake" source="/post/4422097/thread" timestamp="1409504572"] According to wiki Stoke "built up area" 372,000 and Leicester "built up area" 508,000. Factor that in along with the fact that we have 2 league clubs and you can pretty quickly see a greater proportion of the citizens of Stoke attend football games than those of Leicester do. Indeed but they're still the bigger club imo. Always have been in my lifetime anyway. In an all time top flight would you put Stoke in it? I wouldn't.[/quote]2,099 Stoke would be 2 places higher than leicester in an all time top flight on 2117, leicester on 1839.we would be in 23rd position
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Post by granthampotter on Aug 31, 2014 17:14:10 GMT
I live 30 miles from Leicester here in grantham their is a few Leicester here they have got a big catchment area they have I give them that , and its bigger than ours it is .
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Post by deliasmith on Aug 31, 2014 17:18:40 GMT
Leicester City is the only club in the city, indeed the only club in the county. Stoke + Vale > Leicester.
Plus I don't think we've ever averaged much more than 26,000 any time after 1947/48.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 31, 2014 17:25:58 GMT
Leicester has double the population of Stoke-on-Trent! Probably very similar if you take in the whole reach of Stoke City though but have no idea how wide their reach is... The ground is also far easier to access, it's inner city. And next to 2 uni's, it's no surprise that Leicester sells out. It was a 10 minute walk from our uni halls and there were a lot of student deals as well (fiver a ticket etc) You went to Uni? Only kidding
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Post by jbstokie on Aug 31, 2014 17:31:44 GMT
Not a chance we can attract more than Leicester, they've just been promoted, bigger city, arguably a bigger club and we've got the Vale stealing fans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 17:34:30 GMT
Not necessarily a bigger club but a bigger population, single club city, different history, different economy, different pricing...in fact a whole bunch of differences, just like the differences between a whole bunch of mid-table clubs like us, Hull, Southampton, Sunderland, Man Utd and Palace which makes a very simple A vs B comparison completely pointless
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Post by coates on Aug 31, 2014 17:36:46 GMT
Not a chance we can attract more than Leicester, they've just been promoted, bigger city, arguably a bigger club and we've got the Vale stealing fans. Vale stealing fans that made me chuckle (In a good way)
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 31, 2014 17:53:10 GMT
How come we sold out last season against Hull? Fulham?
Thing is the club need to get off their lazy arses and sell the tickets, not expect them to sell themselves.
A bigger, more complete ground serves other purposes e.g attracting players, under 21 games, high profile women's games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2014 17:57:45 GMT
Leicester might be a one football club town but they do have another sport to compete with!
The Tigers averaged 22,850 last season.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 31, 2014 18:03:58 GMT
How come we sold out last season against Hull? Fulham? Isn't that down to ticket prices? Aren't matchday ticket prices cheaper against the likes of Hull & Fulham than against Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal etc. No shit Sherlock. Also there was a concerted effort by the club to sell the tickets. Only laziness is stopping us.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 31, 2014 18:16:14 GMT
Derby and Leicester bigger clubs - so what?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2014 18:18:35 GMT
Derby and Leicester bigger clubs - so what? Makes the comparison a bit daft? I think we could make 30k at a push, anything over that is way too much for us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 18:20:36 GMT
Similar sized clubs in modern day terms and Pugsley is right. We need to get off our arses and sort it out.
Slap another tier onto the Novus while we're at it and sort out some local ticketing deals for the local community and grow the support whilst we are playing good football.
We won't have a better chance.
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Post by Northy on Aug 31, 2014 18:31:26 GMT
A right Leicester love- in going on on Sky as well - even a special programme on tonight about the fall and rise of Leicester City... Did they not build their stadium and promptly dissolved the club owing pretty much the cost of said stadium ie funded by tax payers and other creditors Yes they did, talking about them and Ipswich with a Coventry fan this morning, Leicester, Ipswich should be made to pay it back, Pompey should be stripped of the FA cup they won with other people's money etc. Won't happen but it would stop clubs and their owners going beyond their means
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Post by salopstick on Aug 31, 2014 18:57:21 GMT
If vale never existed there would probably be an extra 8k who would turn up
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 31, 2014 19:42:39 GMT
If we expanded The Brit and did ' special deals' for the under 17s..local schools..Uni's etc etc we could get 34,000 for most games. .it's not the catchment area..it's the pricing policy & success of the team.
No way are Derby a bigger club than Stoke and neither are Leicester.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2014 19:48:25 GMT
Derby are bigger in every single way!
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Post by geoff321 on Aug 31, 2014 19:56:38 GMT
The Vale have a much bigger fan base than 6000.
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Post by babylon on Aug 31, 2014 21:01:48 GMT
A right Leicester love- in going on on Sky as well - even a special programme on tonight about the fall and rise of Leicester City... Did they not build their stadium and promptly dissolved the club owing pretty much the cost of said stadium ie funded by tax payers and other creditors No.... The owners paid off the outstanding £17m last season. We've been paying it off (or paying just the interest at £1m a season) for a decade +
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Post by babylon on Aug 31, 2014 21:03:33 GMT
Leicester City is the only club in the city, indeed the only club in the county. Stoke + Vale > Leicester. Plus I don't think we've ever averaged much more than 26,000 any time after 1947/48. Do you have a title winning rugby team getting 20,000 + two minutes away?
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 31, 2014 21:06:39 GMT
Derby consistently get good crowds as do Leeds
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 31, 2014 21:15:40 GMT
Leicester City is the only club in the city, indeed the only club in the county. Stoke + Vale > Leicester. Plus I don't think we've ever averaged much more than 26,000 any time after 1947/48. Do you have a title winning rugby team getting 20,000 + two minutes away? Yes but some of those 20,000 + egg chasers might also go to watch the nogger (and vice versa). The dirty soap dodgers definitely won't set foot in the Brit (and who'd want them?).
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 31, 2014 21:37:52 GMT
It's not about the size of club, it's about the lack of ambition, vision and effort at Stoke City to make this happen.
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Post by gothicstokelover on Aug 31, 2014 22:17:17 GMT
Who cares...Were louder and prouder and have a better team than theirs.
Only reason they have better attendance atm is because they spent years in the prem before being relegated, were very much a club building and longer were in this division the higher the average attendance is going to be, especially now we have a manager who is actively taking us forward instead of being stagnant.
I'm sure if we spent 10 years in the prem and suddenly got relegated our attendance would drop, but still be much higher than what it was before premotion.....The Chairman and his staff which he no doubts spends a fortune for have spent a while developing a long term vision plan for the stability of Stoke and progression, I doubt were half way through that plan but we are moving forward we can all see that....Rome wasn't built in a day...And neither were Chelsea(ok they got brought out but before that era), Spurs, Everton and many other of the bigger clubs it took years and years of improving building on what you have.
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Post by coates on Aug 31, 2014 22:33:08 GMT
Derby consistently get good crowds as do Leeds While you are correct Leeds is a far bigger city and is a one club city.
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Post by greenbaize on Sept 1, 2014 0:45:32 GMT
In the 70s and early 80s from my memory I would of put them as a smaller club than us, even though they were in a much bigger catchment area,as gothic pointed out they have had plenty of success since then on which to build their fan base up, 2 league cups many years in the top flight, whereas we lost a generation of fans due to a rather piss poor 23 years in the doldrums. If this was our first season back in the top flight playing against that cockney scum and our ground could accommodate it I am pretty we would have that sort of gate for the game.
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Post by tuum on Sept 1, 2014 3:01:14 GMT
Leicester averaged 25k in the Championship last season didn't they? So I don't suppose we should too surprised they get 31k when it is Arsenal in town rather than say Rotherham. One club city a similar size to Stoke and in fairness a fair bit of dosh washing round that corner of the South East Midlands to pay the Prem prices. Leicester has double the population of Stoke-on-Trent! Probably very similar if you take in the whole reach of Stoke City though but have no idea how wide their reach is... ? Where did you get that piece of information from? Leicester population is approx. 320k, S-o-T approx. 250k. Urban area 500k v 380k. So, maybe a third bigger than S-o-T all things considered. However, I suspect Leicester & its environs has (a) more money per capita than us and (b) a larger catchment area for non-Leicester based fans. There is not a lot of football clubs to the East of Leicester last time I looked..unless you consider Peterborough to be a threat to Leicester's attraction. Btw. I think we would get 31k for the bigger teams..not sure if that makes the economics work. However, not sure if Coates et al wants TV to see big gaps in the ground when we are playing the smaller clubs. Solution? Make it 20 quid a pop. Even then I am not convinced it would work. We have never been a big supported club. Always in the bottom 50% when in the top division. Bottom line is there is much less money swashing around in S-o-T when compared to most other places in the UK.
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Post by vicstokie on Sept 1, 2014 4:32:44 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2014 8:14:44 GMT
Leicester has double the population of Stoke-on-Trent! Probably very similar if you take in the whole reach of Stoke City though but have no idea how wide their reach is... ? Where did you get that piece of information from? Leicester population is approx. 320k, S-o-T approx. 250k. Urban area 500k v 380k. So, maybe a third bigger than S-o-T all things considered. However, I suspect Leicester & its environs has (a) more money per capita than us and (b) a larger catchment area for non-Leicester based fans. There is not a lot of football clubs to the East of Leicester last time I looked..unless you consider Peterborough to be a threat to Leicester's attraction. Btw. I think we would get 31k for the bigger teams..not sure if that makes the economics work. However, not sure if Coates et al wants TV to see big gaps in the ground when we are playing the smaller clubs. Solution? Make it 20 quid a pop. Even then I am not convinced it would work. We have never been a big supported club. Always in the bottom 50% when in the top division. Bottom line is there is much less money swashing around in S-o-T when compared to most other places in the UK. I thought Leicester itself was 500k and not the wider area and S-O-T 250kish.....
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