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Post by hinckpotter on Aug 30, 2014 22:11:29 GMT
Sneaky 8 million bid for Moses now? ive seen enough already ! dont like the thought of him doing well for us and losing him next year !! always the trouble with loans ! i fall in love too easily.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 22:13:45 GMT
You don't marry until you absolutely have to.... A mistake some people make ....  |
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Post by stokesaint1 on Aug 30, 2014 22:37:21 GMT
Really don't think it would need anywhere near £8 million at the moment, as he just doesn't figure in Chelsea's plans. Half of that would probably do it but I guess it would then be about wages. Wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea are paying a fair wedge of it now. The only down side of the loan at this stage is that he can't play against Chelsea. Probably worth reviewing in January window though.
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 30, 2014 22:41:12 GMT
Yes
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Post by lordb on Aug 30, 2014 22:42:00 GMT
Keep him hungry
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 22:43:20 GMT
Sneaky? I don't accept bids that aren't cheeky i'm afraid.
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Post by dwr17477 on Aug 30, 2014 22:46:30 GMT
I like how Moses takes on defenders but not only that he tracks back well - his cut out of the cross when he got injured is a great example. He has put in a great shift in the last two games...I'd love him to be a permanent signing.
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 30, 2014 22:54:27 GMT
I like how Moses takes on defenders but not only that he tracks back well - his cut out of the cross when he got injured is a great example. He has put in a great shift in the last two games...I'd love him to be a permanent signing. That's why he is worth the money suggested. He wants to be a good footballer, not just a rich one. |
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Aug 30, 2014 22:57:09 GMT
We could pay the fee chelsea would want for Moses tomorrow. That's not the issue, the issue is the wages if we were to sign him and therefore pay em in full. This is the problem with many fringe players at bigger clubs ( Scott Sinclair on £60k p/w springs to mind)
if the wages can be sorted we'll have no issue with the fee. However if he's plays well I can imagine wages being a big issue. He wouldn't have moved to chelsea to sit on the bench if he wasn't motivated largely by money
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Post by spongebobflathead on Aug 30, 2014 23:00:29 GMT
Sneaky 8 million bid for Moses now? ive seen enough already ! dont like the thought of him doing well for us and losing him next year !! always the trouble with loans ! i fall in love too easily. It's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all ! Yeah , I reckon so he's young enough to retain a lot of his value ! |
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Post by dwr17477 on Aug 30, 2014 23:00:28 GMT
I like how Moses takes on defenders but not only that he tracks back well - his cut out of the cross when he got injured is a great example. He has put in a great shift in the last two games...I'd love him to be a permanent signing. That's why he is worth the money suggested. He wants to be a good footballer, not just a rich one. On that basis, I'd sign him for £8M...but that's easy for me to say after today's performance and no responsibility for the purse strings... but I think we could do a lot worse. |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Aug 30, 2014 23:12:22 GMT
You don't marry until you absolutely have to.... A mistake some people make .... Too bloody true :-( |
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 30, 2014 23:18:55 GMT
You don't marry until you absolutely have to.... A mistake some people make .... Too bloody true :-( Suckers !! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 23:29:01 GMT
Just like it was wrong to get too down about the first couple of matches, it would be wrong to get too carried away over a couple of really good performances. He's clearly got immense talent. My only reservation, without knowing a great deal about his past, is whether he's one of those players that starts off like a rocket then disappears. He needs to prove himself consistently over a reasonable period before we commit to spending big money on him.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 30, 2014 23:54:07 GMT
He's more likely to want to sign permanently once he has really settled in. Once he has become mates with all his new teammates, realizes the fans are all behind him, and we are on a good run of form, that would be the time to try and sign him. Now would be too soon to persuade him to take a wage cut.
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Post by UNKLE on Aug 31, 2014 8:04:35 GMT
I'd wait a while yet.
He started very well for Liverpool and then faded...
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 31, 2014 8:26:02 GMT
Sneaky? I don't accept bids that aren't cheeky i'm afraid. One of my favourite football cliches! How to they make these bids 'cheeky'? Do they fax over a few dirty pics with the bid? Do they include a few tawdry Malky MacKay style jokes? Do they draw penises on the fax? "Dear Chelsea We bid £8,000,000 for Victor Moses. He's dead good. Kind Regards, Peter, Tony and Mark SCFC Bigwigs"  |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 31, 2014 9:25:55 GMT
£8m where did you pluck that figure from? £3m at most don't forget he failed to make the grade at Chelksi and failed to make any sort of impact at Liverpooh. If you're going to make a cheeky bid make sure it is cheeky and not £8m Gouranga.  |
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Post by slother on Aug 31, 2014 9:30:23 GMT
I think he looks a cut above any of the multitude of players to have been tried on the wing in the Prem era. It's a yes from me.
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Post by lancer on Aug 31, 2014 10:17:03 GMT
We could pay the fee chelsea would want for Moses tomorrow. That's not the issue, the issue is the wages if we were to sign him and therefore pay em in full. This is the problem with many fringe players at bigger clubs ( Scott Sinclair on £60k p/w springs to mind) if the wages can be sorted we'll have no issue with the fee. However if he's plays well I can imagine wages being a big issue. He wouldn't have moved to chelsea to sit on the bench if he wasn't motivated largely by money The unfortunate truth is, however, unless we are prepared to meet higher wage demands by players, we are going to slowly get left behind as all the other clubs are prepared to pay higher wages.Not a trend I agree with, but a fact nonetheless.  |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 31, 2014 10:17:25 GMT
I certainly have hopes of signing him but, as others have said, you can be too hasty - and the chances of coming to an agreement with Chelsea on a fee AND with Moses and his agent on wages by 11pm tomorrow are NIL.
However, if he carries on the way he has started you'd hope that we would put feelers out before Christmas with the player and, assuming we can reach agreement on wages, make a bid for him in January.
To me, he looks a much more complete player than Assaidi. He can and does play on either flank, he puts the effort in defensively and (like Assaidi on his good days) can make his full back look like a rank amateur with pace and skill. He looks like he will provide plenty of assists if used properly - what Hughes needs to do is to convince him that the scoring ability which he had as a youth player is not lost, but has merely been dormant for a while.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 31, 2014 10:20:38 GMT
We could pay the fee chelsea would want for Moses tomorrow. That's not the issue, the issue is the wages if we were to sign him and therefore pay em in full. This is the problem with many fringe players at bigger clubs ( Scott Sinclair on £60k p/w springs to mind) if the wages can be sorted we'll have no issue with the fee. However if he's plays well I can imagine wages being a big issue. He wouldn't have moved to chelsea to sit on the bench if he wasn't motivated largely by money The unfortunate truth is, however, unless we are prepared to meet higher wage demands by players, we are going to slowly get left behind as all the other clubs are prepared to pay higher wages.Not a trend I agree with, but a fact nonetheless. We are still limited to the wage increases allowed under the Premier League FFP rules. That gives the bigger clubs who already have a bigger wage bill an advantage as we can't simply grow our wage bill by more than £8 million per year. There is a case for running with a smaller squad and making up the numbers with U 21 players whose wages (by Prem standards) are minimal. That's one reason why players like Ollie Shenton will be so important to the club. |
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Post by wuzza on Aug 31, 2014 10:23:41 GMT
Its funny but watching some players you just get the feeling that they are the real deal.
Not a miracle worker but certainly good enough with a general solidity about his game that makes him far more useful than some of the more 'brittle' wingers or some of the more 'moody' ones.
Hate predicting things to do with Stoke but I think the bloke is going to play an important part in our season and if he likes it here I doubt that Chelsea of all clubs would be all that interested in keeping him there. Just not a rich enough talent for their blood.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 31, 2014 10:31:21 GMT
£8m where did you pluck that figure from? £3m at most don't forget he failed to make the grade at Chelksi and failed to make any sort of impact at Liverpooh. If you're going to make a cheeky bid make sure it is cheeky and not £8m Gouranga. He's scored 10 times and made 4 assists in 43 appearances at Chelsea. And then was kept out of the Liverpool side by Sturridge, Sterling and Suarez who were on fire and uninjured all season. I reckon he would cost at least 8 million now, maybe even more. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 31, 2014 10:43:51 GMT
'Worth' is such a movable feast. But with the general inflation in fees since he moved to Chelsea for what was variously put at £9-10m in 2012, I think you'd be looking at £8m+ But who knows? And if his wages really are as low as £40k, I'd be looking at doing the deal ASAP! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 10:49:29 GMT
We could pay the fee chelsea would want for Moses tomorrow. That's not the issue, the issue is the wages if we were to sign him and therefore pay em in full. This is the problem with many fringe players at bigger clubs ( Scott Sinclair on £60k p/w springs to mind) if the wages can be sorted we'll have no issue with the fee. However if he's plays well I can imagine wages being a big issue. He wouldn't have moved to chelsea to sit on the bench if he wasn't motivated largely by money The unfortunate truth is, however, unless we are prepared to meet higher wage demands by players, we are going to slowly get left behind as all the other clubs are prepared to pay higher wages.Not a trend I agree with, but a fact nonetheless. We're going to get left behind to those at the top in the transfer market - that has always been the case, but we showed yesterday that it's not all down to the how much the players are paid and it's still 11 vs 11 on the day. Realistically we are competing with the likes of Southampton, Newcastle, Swansea, Hull, West Ham, QPR and Sunderland in the transfer market, I'd rather us continue to be stringent rather than ending up like the next Portsmouth and I think it would be worth all of the clubs having a gentleman's agreement on a wage cap, it would be in all of our interests. The fringe players at bigger clubs are going to have to take a pay cut (or get paid off by their clubs) if they're going to join us but I'd rather have people playing for us who are keen to play rather than sit on the bench, play the odd cup game and pick up a big wage. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 14:23:41 GMT
I will be watching the deadline day on Sky not in expectation but hoping for a last minute deadline day "super" deal for us.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 31, 2014 14:52:27 GMT
Take a valuation in January, by then we will know his true worth. The better he gets the more chance others will come in for him next summer. As I understand it, there is less likely to be competition in January as he will still have the rest of the season with us unless we agree to release him.
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Post by 2004 on Aug 31, 2014 14:56:13 GMT
He looks great so far. I think we will get him permanently at the end of the season.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 31, 2014 15:22:57 GMT
Sign him up now, if we don't someone else will next season, and we will then be looking for another wide player.
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