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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 25, 2014 21:58:13 GMT
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Post by YounginStoke on Aug 25, 2014 22:04:36 GMT
I didn't realise that Diouf was playing as part of a two at Hannover, I thought he led the line on his own for them there too, therefore it is going to take time for him to adapt to the system and play as the lone striker.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Aug 25, 2014 22:13:53 GMT
You need to study their goal again
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 22:14:06 GMT
Very harsh on Wilson. We've got much bigger problems than him at the moment.
I'd have aimed my venom at the attacking elements of the team giving how piss poor they were at creating anything against 10 men for the majority (I know your write up does cover that mind).
Bego should've done much better for the goal. You don't palm it into a danger area like that. He did something very similar against Sunderland last season.
He's got plenty of credit in the bank of course.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2014 22:18:52 GMT
Wilson has been a problem since about November.....
Actually, his first game. Lucky to be a Premier League footballer.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 25, 2014 22:18:58 GMT
A fair summing up for me , still not sure how Bojan will cut it physically but that can come if he is prepared to put the work in , we certainly need a bit of a rethink based on the two games played so far
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 22:24:26 GMT
Wilson has been a problem since about November..... Actually, his first game. Lucky to be a Premier League footballer. That's 50% of our back 4 that's garbage then. It's amazing we finished 9th carrying those passengers at the back.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2014 22:29:28 GMT
Wilson has been a problem since about November..... Actually, his first game. Lucky to be a Premier League footballer. That's 50% of our back 4 that's garbage then. It's amazing we finished 9th carrying those passengers at the back. Not really, player of the season was the centre half, second was the keeper and third was the DM and the new left backs had cracking debut seasons. That's what carried them. The positions from last season that needed immediate attention were RB, CB, RW and ST. The right hand side was a mess all season, Wilson has always got a mistake in him and Crouch isn't what we need up there. He's attempted to sort 3 of those positions, I expect (hope) centre back to be sorted soon with the return of Huth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 22:38:58 GMT
Overall a very fair and accurate report.
More effort and more attacking impetus needed in future games against more mediocre opposition . Any of the top six would murder us at the moment. We are talking 5 or 6 nil here.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 26, 2014 2:12:39 GMT
So are we saying that Wilson's positioning for the goal isn't an issue?
Anyone want to talk me through it step by step and tell me that he isn't ball watching and doesn't forget about Jelavic?
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 26, 2014 3:31:37 GMT
So are we saying that Wilson's positioning for the goal isn't an issue? Anyone want to talk me through it step by step and tell me that he isn't ball watching and doesn't forget about Jelavic? when I saw the goal on replay it looked like Wilson was in a decent enough position but jelavic simply reacted to begovic's deflection faster. Obvi he could have done better, and so could bojan and bego. We haven't looked sharp anywhere on the pitch. Even the goal we managed to score was sloppy.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 26, 2014 6:02:41 GMT
So are we saying that Wilson's positioning for the goal isn't an issue? Anyone want to talk me through it step by step and tell me that he isn't ball watching and doesn't forget about Jelavic? when I saw the goal on replay it looked like Wilson was in a decent enough position but jelavic simply reacted to begovic's deflection faster. Obvi he could have done better, and so could bojan and bego. We haven't looked sharp anywhere on the pitch. Even the goal we managed to score was sloppy. He's ball watching. He has no idea where Jelavic is, despite the fact that keeping an eye on him should be his one priority in that situation.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 26, 2014 6:22:57 GMT
Overall a very fair and accurate report. More effort and more attacking impetus needed in future games against more mediocre opposition . Any of the top six would murder us at the moment. We are talking 5 or 6 nil here. That 5 or 6 could be this coming Saturday then mate.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 26, 2014 6:45:03 GMT
there is a case at the moment for walters to play he is the one player that will bring energy to our attack and will bully defenders , yes we know hes shit
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 26, 2014 6:48:31 GMT
there is a case at the moment for walters to play he is the one player that will bring energy to our attack and will bully defenders , yes we know hes shit It's guile and pace we need for me Harry. Moses can't get involved soon enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 7:02:14 GMT
So are we saying that Wilson's positioning for the goal isn't an issue? Anyone want to talk me through it step by step and tell me that he isn't ball watching and doesn't forget about Jelavic? I'm going to watch the highlights after work mate. My thoughts from watching it in the ground are that Wilson was one of our better players on the day, and Begovic shoulders the largest portion of the blame for the goal. I'd also add, all of the back 5 have had shaky moments over the opening two games. They haven't always been punished by a goal, but it doesn't make the mistakes any less of a problem.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 26, 2014 7:03:39 GMT
there is a case at the moment for walters to play he is the one player that will bring energy to our attack and will bully defenders , yes we know hes shit It's guile and pace we need for me Harry. Moses can't get involved soon enough. ultimately yes Rob , cant remember which game it was last season but he came off the bench and energized our whole front line , when we looked short of ideas as we do at the moment
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Post by MuddyWoody on Aug 26, 2014 7:05:55 GMT
there is a case at the moment for walters to play he is the one player that will bring energy to our attack and will bully defenders , yes we know hes shit It's guile and pace we need for me Harry. Moses can't get involved soon enough. I thought PO was our one attacking player who had a good game on Sunday. I also think that given time to settle in Bojan will be the perfect Ireland upgrade. Some of his passes went astray but he did display the vision, ability and will to attempt to pick out a defence splitting pass. Agree that he will need to "toughen up" some though. He should have dealt with the initial shot for their goal.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 26, 2014 7:21:22 GMT
It's guile and pace we need for me Harry. Moses can't get involved soon enough. ultimately yes Rob , cant remember which game it was last season but he came off the bench and energized our whole front line , when we looked short of ideas as we do at the moment Cardiff away I think mate, in tandem with Assaidi. I don't see how he's going to help us break down a stubborn defence though. And I like Jon.
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Post by apb1 on Aug 26, 2014 7:53:09 GMT
Just a thought, but if he'd been watching Jelavic like a hawk and the ball had hit him on the heel and gone in, would everyone still be slagging Wilson off? I suspect they would. We have been a shambles in both games so far. I can't think of one positive. Adam's shot? Odemwingie taking on his man, and getting to the byline? Our goal?
We should have got a hatful of goals against ten men with the players we have, but we failed miserably. That's the whole team not just Wilson. I still have faith in the manager, and in the players, including Wilson, to pull it round. Man City away will be awful but we might actually benefit from being the underdog..
By the way the piece itself is very reasonable, and fair to Wilson's good side. I would argue that he, like the rest, will sharpen up with games. I am not sure where we are with Huth but I have a feeling he's not come back in that good shape.
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Post by jarhead on Aug 26, 2014 7:53:35 GMT
We were Wank.
The end
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 26, 2014 8:19:38 GMT
A good and honest summation of another poor display...only one comment regarding Diouf. You eluded to his aerial prowess, in each game he has had a free header at goal neither one was remotely on target...some prowess! He doesn't look like an instinctive goal scorer and considering this is what we needed to build on from last season the signs are not great that Hughes has got this addition right
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Post by lastoftheldk on Aug 26, 2014 9:11:51 GMT
So are we saying that Wilson's positioning for the goal isn't an issue? Anyone want to talk me through it step by step and tell me that he isn't ball watching and doesn't forget about Jelavic? One of the programmes from the weekend (I think motd2) shows Hull goal from behind our net, Jevalic is been marked by Shawcross, Jevalic then makes his run, Shawcross stands there pointing at Jevalic, he doesn't even do his usual stick a leg out and turn his back on the ball as it is play across our goal mouth Begovic was not in a great position Bojan was no match for Huddlestone and someone should have helped him out once the real captin went off there was no one doing the shouting or organisation
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Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2014 9:36:06 GMT
It's guile and pace we need for me Harry. Moses can't get involved soon enough. ultimately yes Rob , cant remember which game it was last season but he came off the bench and energized our whole front line , when we looked short of ideas as we do at the moment It was Cardiff away. We subbed him on with about 15 minutes to go, and in that time he put in a fantastic cross which was missed by.... I forget, he had a shot saved by the keeper and another which hit the crossbar. He actually looked very good that game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 9:43:24 GMT
Just a thought, but if he'd been watching Jelavic like a hawk and the ball had hit him on the heel and gone in, would everyone still be slagging Wilson off? I suspect they would. We have been a shambles in both games so far. I can't think of one positive. Adam's shot? Odemwingie taking on his man, and getting to the byline? Our goal? We should have got a hatful of goals against ten men with the players we have, but we failed miserably. That's the whole team not just Wilson. I still have faith in the manager, and in the players, including Wilson, to pull it round. Man City away will be awful but we might actually benefit from being the underdog.. By the way the piece itself is very reasonable, and fair to Wilson's good side. I would argue that he, like the rest, will sharpen up with games. I am not sure where we are with Huth but I have a feeling he's not come back in that good shape. Bacause football is that simple. Should Man City have scored a hatful at The Brit when we beat them with 10 men? Teams with 10 men are often harder to break down, it doesn't always follow suit that they just roll over and die......
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Post by ohbottom on Aug 26, 2014 10:12:38 GMT
So are we saying that Wilson's positioning for the goal isn't an issue? Anyone want to talk me through it step by step and tell me that he isn't ball watching and doesn't forget about Jelavic? Having just watched the goal again I'll have a stab at it. Just before the shot comes in Shawcross passes Jelavic over to Wilson. Wilson then gets goal side of Jelavic, as a good defender should do. His job is now to stop the ball being crossed or passed to Jelavic, and he gets into a good position to do just that, despite some good movement from Jelavic who initially attempts to muscle him out of the way in front of goal. The shot comes in, Bego makes a good save but the ball happens to land at Jelavic's feet. I don't see anything wrong with Wilsons defending or positioning, just one of those times where fortune favoured the attacker. Blaming Wilson for the goal is incredibly harsh, but then he's one of the boo boys. Some supporters only ever see his mistakes (even when they're not, really) and are blind to all the good stuff he does (by the way, I don't put you in this category CD).
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Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2014 10:53:22 GMT
So are we saying that Wilson's positioning for the goal isn't an issue? Anyone want to talk me through it step by step and tell me that he isn't ball watching and doesn't forget about Jelavic? Having just watched the goal again I'll have a stab at it. Just before the shot comes in Shawcross passes Jelavic over to Wilson. Wilson then gets goal side of Jelavic, as a good defender should do. His job is now to stop the ball being crossed or passed to Jelavic, and he gets into a good position to do just that, despite some good movement from Jelavic who initially attempts to muscle him out of the way in front of goal. The shot comes in, Bego makes a good save but the ball happens to land at Jelavic's feet. I don't see anything wrong with Wilsons defending or positioning, just one of those times where fortune favoured the attacker. Blaming Wilson for the goal is incredibly harsh, but then he's one of the boo boys. Some supporters only ever see his mistakes (even when they're not, really) and are blind to all the good stuff he does (by the way, I don't put you in this category CD). I agree with all but the good save part. It looks as though Bego really could have held it. It also looks like the shot might... and I repeat, MIGHT, have been going wide. Difficult to tell from where I was sitting and hard to tell from replays as well. It was a fairly poor effort though and I think Asmir will be pretty gutted about it. He's had a lot of praise lately so two mistakes in two games will have him desperate to put it right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 11:03:15 GMT
As I suspected, extremely harsh on Wilson.
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Post by ohbottom on Aug 26, 2014 11:09:24 GMT
Having just watched the goal again I'll have a stab at it. Just before the shot comes in Shawcross passes Jelavic over to Wilson. Wilson then gets goal side of Jelavic, as a good defender should do. His job is now to stop the ball being crossed or passed to Jelavic, and he gets into a good position to do just that, despite some good movement from Jelavic who initially attempts to muscle him out of the way in front of goal. The shot comes in, Bego makes a good save but the ball happens to land at Jelavic's feet. I don't see anything wrong with Wilsons defending or positioning, just one of those times where fortune favoured the attacker. Blaming Wilson for the goal is incredibly harsh, but then he's one of the boo boys. Some supporters only ever see his mistakes (even when they're not, really) and are blind to all the good stuff he does (by the way, I don't put you in this category CD). I agree with all but the good save part. It looks as though Bego really could have held it. It also looks like the shot might... and I repeat, MIGHT, have been going wide. Difficult to tell from where I was sitting and hard to tell from replays as well. It was a fairly poor effort though and I think Asmir will be pretty gutted about it. He's had a lot of praise lately so two mistakes in two games will have him desperate to put it right. I'm not going to argue with that, Bego had to make the save and he got down well enough but it was a bit of a weak hand, pushed it into a danger area rather than away or out.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2014 11:11:20 GMT
I agree with all but the good save part. It looks as though Bego really could have held it. It also looks like the shot might... and I repeat, MIGHT, have been going wide. Difficult to tell from where I was sitting and hard to tell from replays as well. It was a fairly poor effort though and I think Asmir will be pretty gutted about it. He's had a lot of praise lately so two mistakes in two games will have him desperate to put it right. I'm not going to argue with that, Bego had to make the save and he got down well enough but it was a bit of a weak hand, pushed it into a danger area rather than away or out. Yeah I'll give you that. He probably couldn't have known it was going wide so hyper criticism from me there. Like you say, weak hand, so he'll bit working twice as hard in training I'm sure to fix it. Man City will be a different test for him.
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