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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 22:28:20 GMT
I love awards me! Wilson was carried massively last season like Geoff. The manager has replaced one of them despite from the likes of yourself WD saying he was brilliant etc, that brilliant the first signing we made was to replace him.... And he will need to replace the other. If it's one thing I can do, it's spot a shite defender from a mile off. Wilson isn't a centre half. Thankfully like with your mate Danny, others are following where I lead! Did Huth or Cameron make the bench? Your logic dictates that 50% of our back 4 last season was garbage. I don't think I need to add any more mate. You're doing my job for me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2014 22:32:38 GMT
I love awards me! Wilson was carried massively last season like Geoff. The manager has replaced one of them despite from the likes of yourself WD saying he was brilliant etc, that brilliant the first signing we made was to replace him.... And he will need to replace the other. If it's one thing I can do, it's spot a shite defender from a mile off. Wilson isn't a centre half. Thankfully like with your mate Danny, others are following where I lead! Did Huth or Cameron make the bench? Your logic dictates that 50% of our back 4 last season was garbage. I don't think I need to add any more mate. You're doing my job for me. Cameron's place in the starting XI has gone for the foreseeable.... It's exactly what I'm saying, it's what I've been saying for a while now and like I've said he's already replaced 25% of that defence, why is that if he was so good? Just another quarter to go!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2014 22:48:33 GMT
So then whydelilah any ideas why 25% of that defence has already been replaced? I'm all ears.....
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Post by fortressbritannia on Aug 25, 2014 23:02:22 GMT
The issue is with Wilson is that when he makes a mistake, they cost us big time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2014 23:06:39 GMT
Tends to happen at centre back. He's far too ponderous to be anywhere bar at full back.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 25, 2014 23:24:51 GMT
So then whydelilah any ideas why 25% of that defence has already been replaced? I'm all ears..... im not whydelilah but I do want to point out that Hughes has replaced a lot of last year's regulars and it doesn't mean he knows what the fuck he's doing. We would have done better in our first two matches if we still had the team we ended the season with.
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Aug 25, 2014 23:32:14 GMT
Marc Muniesa is the best defender at the club.
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Post by crouchbot on Aug 26, 2014 5:55:09 GMT
Maybe MH thinks that Huth either doesn't fit his ball playing centre half profile or that he still isn't fit! So maybe despite the talk from the club, we are after one more centre half because Wilson has looked so poor so far.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 26, 2014 6:30:30 GMT
I said ages ago that I don't think Hughes rates Cameron (not at right back and not enough elsewhere to get a game).
I'm still convinced that once Huthy is fully fit (he needs game time such as tomorrow night) then our back four will be:
Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters
Looks balanced, uncompromising and ready to keep clean sheets.
Works for me anyway.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Aug 26, 2014 6:41:49 GMT
We culd improve at CH if we replaced Wilson, that can't be denied. That doesn't mean he is shit in that position. He came in for a massive crowd favourite and grew into the role. I thought he was steady enough and I don't think we have anyone better in the squad, including Robert Huth. No the evidence for that is in the goals he is at fault for conceding and his general lack of defensive nous. Muniesa and Huth are both miles better. If the manager doesn't think so, we desperately need a new MANAGER Fixed it for ya.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 6:58:57 GMT
So then whydelilah any ideas why 25% of that defence has already been replaced? I'm all ears..... It's early doors mate. The new signings have hardly painted themselves im glory yet, compared to the brilliant side that finished last season (Although we all hope that changes sooner rather than later). If Wilson was that much of a liability he wouldn't be keeping Huth out of the team (not dislodged to the bench, but completely out of the squad). You can't carry two passengers in defence at this level. Not for an entire season. You give them absolutely no credit whatsoever. Which is complete and utter arse gravy of the highest order.
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 26, 2014 7:15:13 GMT
So then whydelilah any ideas why 25% of that defence has already been replaced? I'm all ears..... It's early doors mate. The new signings have hardly painted themselves im glory yet, compared to the brilliant side that finished last season (Although we all hope that changes sooner rather than later). If Wilson was that much of a liability he wouldn't be keeping Huth out of the team (not dislodged to the bench, but completely out of the squad). You can't carry two passengers in defence at this level. Not for an entire season. You give them absolutely no credit whatsoever. Which is complete and utter arse gravy of the highest order. We didn't keep many clean sheets last season and that wasn't just down to Wilson.However a fit Huth is a better defender than a fit Wilson,and I don't think many would argue that. A Huth,Shawcross combination is the one for me.
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Post by larstoke on Aug 26, 2014 7:22:50 GMT
Huth and shawcross are quite similair. MH probably wants a ball playing cb next to ryan. Wilson, muniesa, cameron are all better on the ball then big rob.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Aug 26, 2014 7:25:17 GMT
Huth and shawcross are quite similair. MH probably wants a ball playing cb next to ryan. Wilson, muniesa, cameron are all better on the ball then big rob. So it's ok to ship goals for fun as long as one of the cb's can kick the ball on occasion. Love this total football me???????????
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Post by larstoke on Aug 26, 2014 7:53:55 GMT
Huth and shawcross are quite similair. MH probably wants a ball playing cb next to ryan. Wilson, muniesa, cameron are all better on the ball then big rob. So it's ok to ship goals for fun as long as one of the cb's can kick the ball on occasion. Love this total football me??????????? yes. that's the logic.
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 26, 2014 8:47:02 GMT
Huth and shawcross are quite similair. MH probably wants a ball playing cb next to ryan. Wilson, muniesa, cameron are all better on the ball then big rob. Good teams are built around solid defences.We are a better defensive unit with Huth in the middle as he is a far better defender than Wilson.If ball playing centre halfs is what Hughes is after then Mark Wilson is not the answer,as it is debatable if he is any better than Huth on the ball.Him giving the ball away in dangerous positions negates any slight gains made by him being more comfortable on the ball.He makes stupid mistakes in games and they are costing us.Huths injury must be significant as I can't see Wilson keeping him out on merit.
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Post by 2004 on Aug 26, 2014 8:58:54 GMT
Huth and shawcross are quite similair. MH probably wants a ball playing cb next to ryan. Wilson, muniesa, cameron are all better on the ball then big rob. This is what I don't understand about Hughes. I don't want our defenders to be amazing ball players. I want them to stop the opposition scoring goals! Muniesa at CB next to Ryan for me.
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Post by trigger on Aug 26, 2014 9:04:25 GMT
I think Hughes foresees a stopper and a more mobile CB as his preferred pairing.
Noted against Betis that Huth looked far from fitness when warming up, if that was in fact the case, struggling probably more precise.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2014 10:16:28 GMT
So then whydelilah any ideas why 25% of that defence has already been replaced? I'm all ears..... im not whydelilah but I do want to point out that Hughes has replaced a lot of last year's regulars and it doesn't mean he knows what the fuck he's doing. We would have done better in our first two matches if we still had the team we ended the season with. A lot? You mean 3, that's not a lot! The team that started vs Villa had Bego, Shawcross, Wilson, Pieters, Whelan, Fonz, Ireland and Arnie so that's 8 that started regularly from the last season. The team that started vs Hull had Bego, Shawcross, Wilson, Pieters, Whelan, Fonz, Odemwingie and Arnie so again that's 8. You get the feeling if Wingie and Ireland were fit it'd be 9. So the whole he's replaced too many players bollocks, is just that.....bollocks!
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 26, 2014 10:27:03 GMT
We need to give Muniesa a chance in there. We won't know if he's up to it without giving him a run of games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2014 10:28:50 GMT
So then whydelilah any ideas why 25% of that defence has already been replaced? I'm all ears..... It's early doors mate. The new signings have hardly painted themselves im glory yet, compared to the brilliant side that finished last season (Although we all hope that changes sooner rather than later). If Wilson was that much of a liability he wouldn't be keeping Huth out of the team (not dislodged to the bench, but completely out of the squad). You can't carry two passengers in defence at this level. Not for an entire season. You give them absolutely no credit whatsoever. Which is complete and utter arse gravy of the highest order. I think Bardsley is worse then Cameron don't get me wrong WD (said it from the off) but I don't think he's done any worse yet and I can't see why you'd sign someone like Bardsley if it wasn't with the full intention of him being your long term option there. I think Hughes genuinely likes Wilson there and that genuinely scares me if the rest of the defence aren't up to their standards, which so far they aren't. He will give a side a good chance every game, I don't think we can cope with that. I think both are shite defenders not willing of praise, so they won't get any for their defensive play! Wilson does a lovely turn every now and again though!
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 26, 2014 10:30:11 GMT
Huth and shawcross are quite similair. MH probably wants a ball playing cb next to ryan. Wilson, muniesa, cameron are all better on the ball then big rob. So it's ok to ship goals for fun as long as one of the cb's can kick the ball on occasion. Love this total football me??????????? Sadly that what the England manager wants too.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Aug 26, 2014 10:32:58 GMT
I said ages ago that I don't think Hughes rates Cameron (not at right back and not enough elsewhere to get a game). I'm still convinced that once Huthy is fully fit (he needs game time such as tomorrow night) then our back four will be: Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters Looks balanced, uncompromising and ready to keep clean sheets. Works for me anyway. Agree - Huth is a top defender - if and it is still an if, he can regain full fitness Cammeron is good cover at full back - looked suspect at centre back in the World Cup which leaves him as a mobile defensive midfielder. We have plenty in that position, though not as mobile - so likely he will be on his way
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Post by thevoid on Aug 26, 2014 10:57:16 GMT
No the evidence for that is in the goals he is at fault for conceding and his general lack of defensive nous. Muniesa and Huth are both miles better. If the manager doesn't think so, we desperately need a new MANAGER Fixed it for ya. I wouldn't get a lob on because the Capped Crusader is available if I were you, he won't be returning here.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Aug 26, 2014 11:00:24 GMT
Fixed it for ya. I wouldn't get a lob on because the Capped Crusader is available if I were you, he won't be returning here. I actually don't want him to come back.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 26, 2014 12:35:59 GMT
I wouldn't get a lob on because the Capped Crusader is available if I were you, he won't be returning here. I actually don't want him to come back. Good. Because he won't be.
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Post by foster on Aug 26, 2014 12:40:27 GMT
Is this anywhere near official? If so, do we have an assumed valuation?
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 26, 2014 13:30:28 GMT
im not whydelilah but I do want to point out that Hughes has replaced a lot of last year's regulars and it doesn't mean he knows what the fuck he's doing. We would have done better in our first two matches if we still had the team we ended the season with. A lot? You mean 3, that's not a lot! The team that started vs Villa had Bego, Shawcross, Wilson, Pieters, Whelan, Fonz, Ireland and Arnie so that's 8 that started regularly from the last season. The team that started vs Hull had Bego, Shawcross, Wilson, Pieters, Whelan, Fonz, Odemwingie and Arnie so again that's 8. You get the feeling if Wingie and Ireland were fit it'd be 9. So the whole he's replaced too many players bollocks, is just that.....bollocks! excuse me mr. "He's replaced 25% of the defense" but 3 out of 11 is 27% over a quarter of the team. Plus you could add Huth to those being replaced, since he's lost his spot from last season too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2014 15:40:23 GMT
A lot? You mean 3, that's not a lot! The team that started vs Villa had Bego, Shawcross, Wilson, Pieters, Whelan, Fonz, Ireland and Arnie so that's 8 that started regularly from the last season. The team that started vs Hull had Bego, Shawcross, Wilson, Pieters, Whelan, Fonz, Odemwingie and Arnie so again that's 8. You get the feeling if Wingie and Ireland were fit it'd be 9. So the whole he's replaced too many players bollocks, is just that.....bollocks! excuse me mr. "He's replaced 25% of the defense" but 3 out of 11 is 27% over a quarter of the team. Plus you could add Huth to those being replaced, since he's lost his spot from last season too. Well yeah 1 out 4 is 25%, which is the defence.... No you can't, Wilson is the man in possession from about November, you only do that if you've lost the argument massively!
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 26, 2014 15:55:15 GMT
excuse me mr. "He's replaced 25% of the defense" but 3 out of 11 is 27% over a quarter of the team. Plus you could add Huth to those being replaced, since he's lost his spot from last season too. Well yeah 1 out 4 is 25%, which is the defence.... No you can't, Wilson is the man in possession from about November, you only do that if you've lost the argument massively! fine, I won't count Huth, but still that 27% replaced, and the replacements have yet to show they are improvements on last year's team. Meanwhile players like crouch and Adam have come on after halftime in both games and looked like they are still the players that scored the most and second most goals for us last season.
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