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Post by Pugsley on Aug 25, 2014 14:34:26 GMT
It's amazing that the very same people slaughtering this lad are the ones who lauded Mama Sidibe.
Agenda ridden bullshit.
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Aug 25, 2014 14:37:08 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 25, 2014 14:37:08 GMT
I took my Dad to the game yesterday, he hasn't seen us live for a good long time and with it being local, thought it was a good game to see.
Anyway, being an ex professional footballer (albeit at a fairly low level) and knowing how to put the ball in the back of the net, he usually knows a good forward when he sees one.
He was not impressed at all with Diouf.
Hopefully Hughes has seen what some of us have failed to see so far, a decent footballer.
All I have seen is the player who played in the premier league a few years ago, who was quite frankly woeful. He also seems to have got a lot smaller (if that is possible).
Anyway, he does deserve more games and the service point is valid, however I am yet to see a player with a natural eye for goal, as evidenced by his decision not to shoot when pretty much clean through on goal.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 25, 2014 14:39:35 GMT
It's amazing that the very same people slaughtering this lad are the ones who lauded Mama Sidibe. Agenda ridden bullshit. Oi, some of us have spent far too much time defending both of them!
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Post by onionman on Aug 25, 2014 15:04:44 GMT
How about bringing the law of averages into this one, if we consider all the frontline strikers we've had over the past 30 years (ie not those that were obviously bought as squad men or temporary solutions):
Started well, turned out to be good Fuller Biggins Thorne Peschisolido Akinbiyi
Started well, turned out to be crap Bamber Dadason Morgan Carruthers Jones Crowe Asaba
Started crap, turned out to be good Stein Sheron Sturridge Bertschin
Started crap, turned out to be crap Ellis Pericard Lightbourne Scott Stainrod Greenacre Stewart Kitson
Hard to decide if they were good or crap Cooke Walters Crouch Sidibe Regis Noel-Williams
So there we have it, scientific proof that:
A) Starting crap means you are more likely to turn out crap.
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B) Starting well means you are more likely to turn out crap.
Good luck Diouf!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 25, 2014 15:05:50 GMT
Brilliant :-D
Let's take it a step further.
Let X = Crap
Let Y = Good
Let Z = Undecided.
The formula for deciding which players to pick are;
Y = Z - X + C
(C = Constant, obviously)
I hope that's of some help, Mark.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 15:08:43 GMT
How about bringing the law of averages into this one, if we consider all the frontline strikers we've had over the past 30 years (ie not those that were obviously bought as squad men or temporary solutions): Started well, turned out to be goodFuller Biggins Thorne Peschisolido Akinbiyi Started well, turned out to be crapBamber Dadason Morgan Carruthers Jones Crowe Asaba Started crap, turned out to be goodStein Sheron Sturridge Bertschin Started crap, turned out to be crapEllis Pericard Lightbourne Scott Stainrod Greenacre Stewart Kitson Hard to decide if they were good or crapCooke Walters Crouch Sidibe Regis Noel-Williams So there we have it, scientific proof that: A) Starting crap means you are more likely to turn out crap. and B) Starting well means you are more likely to turn out crap. Good luck Diouf! Dave Regis was in a category of his own...he was Ace.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:32:32 GMT
Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 25, 2014 15:32:32 GMT
How many games can we afford to stick with him for? He may not of had brilliant service but his overall play is absolutely shite.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:35:06 GMT
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Post by Stoke711 on Aug 25, 2014 15:35:06 GMT
He just needs a goal, same as Bojan. Both will be good players for us, we just need to keep the faith.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:37:38 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Aug 25, 2014 15:37:38 GMT
How many games can we afford to stick with him for? He may not of had brilliant service but his overall play is absolutely shite. Crouch to replace him on Saturday surely? I'd give him a start v Pompey to see if he can get a goal or two, which can work wonders for many strikers' confidence. He will surely benefit when Arnie starts his season (he seems to be still on his hols) and Moses is fit and firing on the other side. One or two tap-ins after great wing play will give him a boost. He does look worrying unfit for purpose so far, but let's at least give him a few months to settle in. He is our player, and deserves our support.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2014 15:43:00 GMT
Hughes is using him wrong. Which is worrying.
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 25, 2014 16:06:30 GMT
This thread is a complete embarrassment, apart from the usual few posters with something about them, the rest of you, judging Diouf after TWO games in a league he hasn't played in for a long times, for a NEW team with NEW team mates... You are seriously fucking deluded and embarrassing, Diouf has proven himself as a footballer in Germany, but you seem to rather forget that, so that you can carry on spouting your bull shit... Did you really expect him to hit the ground running after two competitive games?? The crap on here is pathetic, from armchair critics with pissy knickers.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:10:39 GMT
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Post by harryh157 on Aug 25, 2014 16:10:39 GMT
How about bringing the law of averages into this one, if we consider all the frontline strikers we've had over the past 30 years (ie not those that were obviously bought as squad men or temporary solutions): Started well, turned out to be goodFuller Biggins Thorne Peschisolido Akinbiyi Started well, turned out to be crapBamber Dadason Morgan Carruthers Jones Crowe Asaba Started crap, turned out to be goodStein Sheron Sturridge Bertschin Started crap, turned out to be crapEllis Pericard Lightbourne Scott Stainrod Greenacre Stewart Kitson Hard to decide if they were good or crapCooke Walters Crouch Sidibe Regis Noel-Williams So there we have it, scientific proof that: A) Starting crap means you are more likely to turn out crap. and B) Starting well means you are more likely to turn out crap. Good luck Diouf! I can remember the excitement of some of these guys being signed.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:18:16 GMT
Post by Trouserdog on Aug 25, 2014 16:18:16 GMT
This thread is a complete embarrassment, apart from the usual few posters with something about them, the rest of you, judging Diouf after TWO games in a league he hasn't played in for a long times, for a NEW team with NEW team mates... You are seriously fucking deluded and embarrassing, Diouf has proven himself as a footballer in Germany, but you seem to rather forget that, so that you can carry on spouting your bull shit... Did you really expect him to hit the ground running after two competitive games?? The crap on here is pathetic, from armchair critics with pissy knickers. Christ almighty, a few of us don't rate the new forward....big deal. Stop having a tantrum about it.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:24:15 GMT
Post by Batfink on Aug 25, 2014 16:24:15 GMT
He looks nervous to me, and has clearly been frustrated with himself when he has made the mistakes/ bumbles/ brick wall style control. He knows that the didn't light up the league last time he was here. He did really well in Germany where he was full of confidence. We can't write him off after two games otherwise we will never see if I can gain that confidence and show what he is capable of.
He hasn't looked great, but I don't think the players know how best to work with him yet: he is always looking for the early through ball, but it has rarely happened as we have been too content passing it around at the back in a mundain fashion. A little more positivity and pace going forward as a team, and a run of games in that team for him, and then maybe we can judge him.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 25, 2014 16:30:03 GMT
Michael Ricketts. Started off Michael Ricketts, turned out to be Michael Ricketts.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:37:12 GMT
Post by crownmeking on Aug 25, 2014 16:37:12 GMT
This thread is a complete embarrassment, apart from the usual few posters with something about them, the rest of you, judging Diouf after TWO games in a league he hasn't played in for a long times, for a NEW team with NEW team mates... You are seriously fucking deluded and embarrassing, Diouf has proven himself as a footballer in Germany, but you seem to rather forget that, so that you can carry on spouting your bull shit... Did you really expect him to hit the ground running after two competitive games?? The crap on here is pathetic, from armchair critics with pissy knickers. Christ almighty, a few of us don't rate the new forward....big deal. Stop having a tantrum about it. Or how about you stop judging the man after two games for us. I would respect anyone who said "Diouf doesn't look good so far" or "He needs to sharpen up" - That's fine, but to just say he is "Shit" full stop, well that's just bollocks, he is a proven footballer, that's a fact. I do respect other peoples opinions, but I hate the bullshit being spouted.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:37:42 GMT
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Post by coates on Aug 25, 2014 16:37:42 GMT
It's amazing that the very same people slaughtering this lad are the ones who lauded Mama Sidibe. Agenda ridden bullshit. Some people on here made their mind up before a ball was kicked, totally agenda driven. You can bet these same people can't wait for diouf to fail so they can say "told you so".
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Aug 25, 2014 16:51:02 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 25, 2014 16:51:02 GMT
My first impression of Diouf was that he looked awful. Having read what other people on here have said regarding how he is meant to be used, I think he deserves some time to prove himself.
To the people who don't rate his goal scoring record in Germany, ask yourself this question:"How many goals would Jon Walters have scored over there?". And that's in no way a slight against Walters. Surely Diouf has something?
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Aug 25, 2014 16:55:13 GMT
Post by Trouserdog on Aug 25, 2014 16:55:13 GMT
Christ almighty, a few of us don't rate the new forward....big deal. Stop having a tantrum about it. Or how about you stop judging the man after two games for us. I would respect anyone who said "Diouf doesn't look good so far" or "He needs to sharpen up" - That's fine, but to just say he is "Shit" full stop, well that's just bollocks, he is a proven footballer, that's a fact. I do respect other peoples opinions, but I hate the bullshit being spouted. Yeah, that's fine if you want to hedge your bets like a big girl's blouse. I'd rather stick my neck out and live with the consequences!
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Aug 25, 2014 16:58:47 GMT
Post by Trouserdog on Aug 25, 2014 16:58:47 GMT
It's amazing that the very same people slaughtering this lad are the ones who lauded Mama Sidibe. Agenda ridden bullshit. Some people on here made their mind up before a ball was kicked, totally agenda driven. You can bet these same people can't wait for diouf to fail so they can say "told you so". Why would anyone do this? It's not somehow tenuously linked to the ancient Rimmer/PHW crap is it?
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Aug 25, 2014 17:05:18 GMT
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Post by coates on Aug 25, 2014 17:05:18 GMT
Some people on here made their mind up before a ball was kicked, totally agenda driven. You can bet these same people can't wait for diouf to fail so they can say "told you so". Why would anyone do this? It's not somehow tenuously linked to the ancient Rimmer/PHW crap is it? I wasn't referring to everyone just some, they made their minds up before the season had kicked off.
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Aug 25, 2014 17:15:26 GMT
Post by crownmeking on Aug 25, 2014 17:15:26 GMT
Or how about you stop judging the man after two games for us. I would respect anyone who said "Diouf doesn't look good so far" or "He needs to sharpen up" - That's fine, but to just say he is "Shit" full stop, well that's just bollocks, he is a proven footballer, that's a fact. I do respect other peoples opinions, but I hate the bullshit being spouted. Yeah, that's fine if you want to hedge your bets like a big girl's blouse. I'd rather stick my neck out and live with the consequences! Funny, you are on another thread agreeing he needs time...
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 25, 2014 17:17:02 GMT
Yeah, that's fine if you want to hedge your bets like a big girl's blouse. I'd rather stick my neck out and live with the consequences! Funny, you are on another thread agreeing he needs time... I'm schizophrenic
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Diouf
Aug 25, 2014 17:20:32 GMT
Post by crownmeking on Aug 25, 2014 17:20:32 GMT
Funny, you are on another thread agreeing he needs time... I'm schizophrenic
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Aug 25, 2014 17:27:38 GMT
Post by onionman on Aug 25, 2014 17:27:38 GMT
How about bringing the law of averages into this one, if we consider all the frontline strikers we've had over the past 30 years (ie not those that were obviously bought as squad men or temporary solutions): Started well, turned out to be goodFuller Biggins Thorne Peschisolido Akinbiyi Started well, turned out to be crapBamber Dadason Morgan Carruthers Jones Crowe Asaba Started crap, turned out to be goodStein Sheron Sturridge Bertschin Started crap, turned out to be crapEllis Pericard Lightbourne Scott Stainrod Greenacre Stewart Kitson Hard to decide if they were good or crapCooke Walters Crouch Sidibe Regis Noel-Williams So there we have it, scientific proof that: A) Starting crap means you are more likely to turn out crap. and B) Starting well means you are more likely to turn out crap. Good luck Diouf! I can remember the excitement of some of these guys being signed. It's 30 strikers, all of whom I allowed myself to be optimistic about when they first signed. Even Paul Stewart, to a certain deluded extent. You can probably add another 50 or 60 loan signings, squad fillers, trialists and youth team graduates, that also at least allowed me to think something positive before actually seeing them in the flesh. And out of all them, the only two I've not ended up pissed off with, at one point or another, are Fuller and Stein. Shall we just give up on strikers full stop?
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 25, 2014 17:37:15 GMT
Or how about you stop judging the man after two games for us. I would respect anyone who said "Diouf doesn't look good so far" or "He needs to sharpen up" - That's fine, but to just say he is "Shit" full stop, well that's just bollocks, he is a proven footballer, that's a fact. I do respect other peoples opinions, but I hate the bullshit being spouted. Yeah, that's fine if you want to hedge your bets like a big girl's blouse. I'd rather stick my neck out and live with the consequences! What a big man you are I wish I was like you. What were your first opinions oracle on Arnautovic, Hughes, Odemwingie, Ireland...? Did you call them 'right'?
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Aug 25, 2014 17:38:55 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 25, 2014 17:38:55 GMT
Some people on here made their mind up before a ball was kicked, totally agenda driven. You can bet these same people can't wait for diouf to fail so they can say "told you so". Why would anyone do this? It's not somehow tenuously linked to the ancient Rimmer/PHW crap is it? Look it up, they are there. Which was my point when you took offence at my original post on this thread.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 25, 2014 17:39:01 GMT
Yeah, that's fine if you want to hedge your bets like a big girl's blouse. I'd rather stick my neck out and live with the consequences! What a big man you are I wish I was like you. What were your first opinions oracle on Arnautovic, Hughes, Odemwingie, Ireland...? Did you call them 'right'? Fuck knows. Probably, because I am ace.
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Aug 25, 2014 17:41:15 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 25, 2014 17:41:15 GMT
How about bringing the law of averages into this one, if we consider all the frontline strikers we've had over the past 30 years (ie not those that were obviously bought as squad men or temporary solutions): Started well, turned out to be goodFuller Biggins Thorne Peschisolido Akinbiyi Started well, turned out to be crapBamber Dadason Morgan Carruthers Jones Crowe Asaba Started crap, turned out to be goodStein Sheron Sturridge Bertschin Started crap, turned out to be crapEllis Pericard Lightbourne Scott Stainrod Greenacre Stewart Kitson Hard to decide if they were good or crapCooke Walters Crouch Sidibe Regis Noel-Williams So there we have it, scientific proof that: A) Starting crap means you are more likely to turn out crap. and B) Starting well means you are more likely to turn out crap. Good luck Diouf! Great stuff!!
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Diouf
Aug 25, 2014 21:51:08 GMT
Post by s7oke on Aug 25, 2014 21:51:08 GMT
No but his record in Germany a good league very similar to the prem is great !! So it's not fair to crucify him before he gets going with some decent service. Give the bloke a chance please !!! I can only call it how I see it. Like everyone else, I like to give new players the benefit of the doubt if I see anything that resembles promise. The only thing we've got with Diouf at the moment is some numbers on a piece of paper achieved in entirely different circumstances. Exactly what I mean let Hughes recreate those circumstances surely he knows the role that Diouf plays best it's obvious if he's scouted him!!
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