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Post by ************** on Aug 16, 2014 18:48:32 GMT
OK, it's the first game. But the lack of movement up front really concerned me. Crouch re-dressed this a little, but Villa were opening us up at will. We needed Odemwhingie today and god forbid, Jon Walters would have at least added some vim.
But for me it was the lack of movement up front that ruined my day. However, the good news is that we can address this issue in training. A real nothing day. Arnie and Ireland were particularly piss poor.
Never heard the Boothen end so quiet. We can do far better than this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 19:09:35 GMT
Agree **************....as has been said by others too....no urgency in our game..too many sideways and backward passes....one paced ..it was like the start of last season So there's hope Nice to meet you by the way  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2014 19:17:45 GMT
Thought Diouf made some good runs in behind tbh, it's just that no fucker got their head up to see him doing it.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Aug 16, 2014 19:23:15 GMT
Diouf made more runs than anybody over the last 3 seasons shame the midfield didn't find him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 19:24:47 GMT
Thought Diouf made some good runs in behind tbh, it's just that no fucker got their head up to see him doing it. Hallelujah bayern! I can sleep a happy man! |
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 16, 2014 19:26:01 GMT
OK, it's the first game. But the lack of movement up front really concerned me. Crouch re-dressed this a little, but Villa were opening us up at will. We needed Odemwhingie today and god forbid, Jon Walters would have at least added some vim. But for me it was the lack of movement up front that ruined my day. However, the good news is that we can address this issue in training. A real nothing day. Arnie and Ireland were particularly piss poor. Never heard the Boothen end so quiet. We can do far better than this. No stand out performances in the shirt from any of the starters today, tbh. Btw is that you **************? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2014 19:27:09 GMT
Thought Diouf made some good runs in behind tbh, it's just that no fucker got their head up to see him doing it. Hallelujah bayern! I can sleep a happy man! The ball where Whelan actually did play him in actually encapsulated it all tbh. It was 5 seconds too late, Diouf went as soon as Glenn got it. Whelan took 3 touches then looked up, looked to the side, then played it. Just awful. |
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Post by steakandchips on Aug 16, 2014 19:28:12 GMT
Thought Diouf made some good runs in behind tbh, it's just that no fucker got their head up to see him doing it. That's where you need Charlie Adam in the middle, to get his head up and play weighted through balls for Diouf's runs. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 19:28:46 GMT
Hallelujah bayern! I can sleep a happy man! The ball where Whelan actually did play him in actually encapsulated it all tbh. It was 5 seconds too late, Diouf went as soon as Glenn got it. Whelan took 3 touches then looked up, looked to the side, then played it. Just awful. He did the same against Betis in the Friendly. I thought Diouf was going to belt him. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 19:29:19 GMT
Thought Diouf made some good runs in behind tbh, it's just that no fucker got their head up to see him doing it. Bang on! I didn't like Bojan and Ireland on the edge that was crying for PO and Arnie with either bojan or Ireland for me not both in a central cam role and a cm going wide or inside with his head up like an attacking Adam or Nzonzi/ Whelan coming up because it seemed congested and no off the ball movement. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2014 19:29:43 GMT
Thought Diouf made some good runs in behind tbh, it's just that no fucker got their head up to see him doing it. That's where you need Charlie Adam in the middle, to get his head up and play weighted through balls for Diouf's runs. Possibly, not convinced though, all's it needed was a half decent hoof most of the time. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 16, 2014 19:31:12 GMT
I thought Villa were very clever.
They blocked the passes to N'zonzi and Ireland, let Whelan have it at will, then stuck 2, sometimes 3 on Arnie.
We had no idea what to do about it.
They also kicked us off the park and we had no-one who wanted to roll their sleeves up and give them some back.
Poor day all round best summed up as "typical Stoke".
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Post by musik on Aug 16, 2014 19:32:33 GMT
Thought Diouf made some good runs in behind tbh, it's just that no fucker got their head up to see him doing it. Exactly! |
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 19:34:30 GMT
I thought Villa were very clever. They blocked the passes to N'zonzi and Ireland, let Whelan have it at will, then stuck 2, sometimes 3 on Arnie. We had no idea what to do about it. They also kicked us off the park and we had no-one who wanted to roll their sleeves up and give them some back. Poor day all round best summed up as "typical Stoke". Yep. Glenn had no idea wtf to do. Just back to the cbs. He needs to dribble it to a side and find players its a team problem like you pointed out. |
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Post by theteacher on Aug 16, 2014 19:56:41 GMT
We moved the ball too slow - we moved it side to side and not through the pitch with pace (not lumping it but passing forward and through the pitch with pace). We allowed Villa to maintain and recover their shape. This was similar to how we started last season but as the season progressed our passing was quicker and move progressive (through the pitch) meaning we were pulling teams out of position and shape.
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Post by lancer on Aug 16, 2014 20:12:41 GMT
Villa just stood there, and challenged Stoke to go though them. We didn't. Side and back passes to no avail.Our midfield did nothing today. N'Zonzi fell back into his old ways, and Wilson was hard to watch. We had no forward movement at all until Crouch came on.
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Post by ************** on Aug 17, 2014 6:43:53 GMT
I thought Villa were very clever. They blocked the passes to N'zonzi and Ireland, let Whelan have it at will, then stuck 2, sometimes 3 on Arnie. We had no idea what to do about it. They also kicked us off the park and we had no-one who wanted to roll their sleeves up and give them some back. Poor day all round best summed up as "typical Stoke". Yes, credit to the Villa they had a match plan and stuck to it doggedly. They also carried far more purpose about their game than our lads. We were poor and for the first time in years we weren't dominating physically. But we are essentially a new team and i'm confident we will improve massively through the season, particularly when we can call on the skills Odi and Moses. I think Diouf will be superb once we sort the rest out - his class was apparent even though he was short on service (Bojan went close on link play). I'm still not part of this Arnie love-in that swept through the support last season, he still has to put a shift in. I feel much better about matters this morning to be fair, it was more of a disappointment and a reality check for everyone yesterday. However, it was still great to get to the game and we can only get better. We'll be fine. |
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Post by ************** on Aug 17, 2014 6:50:06 GMT
Agree **************....as has been said by others too....no urgency in our game..too many sideways and backward passes....one paced ..it was like the start of last season So there's hope Nice to meet you by the way Likewise matey and good to meet your son too - very smart young man. Enjoyed the CC too. I'll see you in 6 months time, take it easy squire.  |
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Post by ************** on Aug 17, 2014 6:53:44 GMT
OK, it's the first game. But the lack of movement up front really concerned me. Crouch re-dressed this a little, but Villa were opening us up at will. We needed Odemwhingie today and god forbid, Jon Walters would have at least added some vim. But for me it was the lack of movement up front that ruined my day. However, the good news is that we can address this issue in training. A real nothing day. Arnie and Ireland were particularly piss poor. Never heard the Boothen end so quiet. We can do far better than this. No stand out performances in the shirt from any of the starters today, tbh. Btw is that you **************? Hi mate, yes it's me. You good? |
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Post by spongebobflathead on Aug 17, 2014 6:56:39 GMT
We moved the ball too slow - we moved it side to side and not through the pitch with pace (not lumping it but passing forward and through the pitch with pace). We allowed Villa to maintain and recover their shape. This was similar to how we started last season but as the season progressed our passing was quicker and move progressive (through the pitch) meaning we were pulling teams out of position and shape. This is spot on !! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 6:59:52 GMT
I still think the formula for success is Adam at home and Ireland away. Either that or an upgrade on Whelan, as good a servant as he's been...
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Post by ************** on Aug 17, 2014 7:00:56 GMT
We moved the ball too slow - we moved it side to side and not through the pitch with pace (not lumping it but passing forward and through the pitch with pace). We allowed Villa to maintain and recover their shape. This was similar to how we started last season but as the season progressed our passing was quicker and move progressive (through the pitch) meaning we were pulling teams out of position and shape. This is spot on !! Yes, a couple of times a counter-attack was on but we were half asleep. |
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Post by pyrus on Aug 17, 2014 7:01:40 GMT
Agree with all this stuff. To add a little more criticism, I cannot recall when I last saw a Stoke side with so little fight. Last season we earned a bit of a name for coming back from defeat. This side seems unprepared. It looks several weeks short of a seasons start and lacking in motivation.
In defence of Arnie, during the first half he tracked back and did some good work in defence. In the second half he looked thoroughly fed up.
The team don't seem to know what to do with Diouf. He would be making runs and the ball would be going backwards, sideways and anywhere except up to Diouf. As soon as Crouch came on standing orders kicked in: knock it high for Pete and follow it up for the lay-off. It is not surprising that we looked better when he came on, the team knew how to incorporate him into the play.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Aug 17, 2014 7:11:47 GMT
Yes, a couple of times a counter-attack was on but we were half asleep. Your Right , we just didn't have the pace in the side to capitalise , a fundamental failing in our team until it was addressed last season ! Countless times last season we broke with quality and speed , the quality was there but not the pace , it needs addressing , I'm sure it will be ! |
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Post by ************** on Aug 17, 2014 7:14:08 GMT
Yes, a couple of times a counter-attack was on but we were half asleep. Your Right , we just didn't have the pace in the side to capitalise , a fundamental failing in our team until it was addressed last season ! Countless times last season we broke with quality and speed , the quality was there but not the pace , it needs addressing , I'm sure it will be ! That's the good news - we can do something about it. In hindsight it may just have been the right result for us... |
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 17, 2014 19:33:15 GMT
No stand out performances in the shirt from any of the starters today, tbh. Btw is that you **************? Hi mate, yes it's me. You good? Yeah pretty good mate.................welcome back it's been less interesting without your stirring of the pot on here  ..............  |
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Post by burge2u on Aug 17, 2014 19:54:44 GMT
Villa just stood there, and challenged Stoke to go though them. We didn't. Side and back passes to no avail.Our midfield did nothing today. N'Zonzi fell back into his old ways, and Wilson was hard to watch. We had no forward movement at all until Crouch came on. I think that N'Zonzi is the problem. He makes too many sideways and backwards passes and generally slows up the play. Diouf was full of movement up front, but there we no through passes to him, and no runners from midfield until Charlie Adam came on and took the game to Villa. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2014 20:10:11 GMT
Villa just stood there, and challenged Stoke to go though them. We didn't. Side and back passes to no avail.Our midfield did nothing today. N'Zonzi fell back into his old ways, and Wilson was hard to watch. We had no forward movement at all until Crouch came on. I think that N'Zonzi is the problem. He makes too many sideways and backwards passes and generally slows up the play. Diouf was full of movement up front, but there we no through passes to him, and no runners from midfield until Charlie Adam came on and took the game to Villa. That's a very harsh assessment of N'zonzi's performance yesterday. He wasn't great by any stretch but I thought that him, Arnie and Bardsley were the only ones who constantly tried to be involved in the game and to make something happen. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 17, 2014 20:20:17 GMT
I think that N'Zonzi is the problem. He makes too many sideways and backwards passes and generally slows up the play. Diouf was full of movement up front, but there we no through passes to him, and no runners from midfield until Charlie Adam came on and took the game to Villa. That's a very harsh assessment of N'zonzi's performance yesterday. He wasn't great by any stretch but I thought that him, Arnie and Bardsley were the only ones who constantly tried to be involved in the game and to make something happen. Spot on Dave a lot went missing those 3 didn't just nothing came off. I think we've almost got too many options and it's clouded what our best team is. 2 main things that need changing for me Moses or Odom in at wide right and Bojan inside for Ireland as Bojan can't play wide. Sidwell in for Whelan. Glen just isn't positive enough. He plays football like its rugby (everything sideways or backwards). |
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Aug 17, 2014 22:52:17 GMT
Agree with all this stuff. To add a little more criticism, I cannot recall when I last saw a Stoke side with so little fight. Last season we earned a bit of a name for coming back from defeat. This side seems unprepared. It looks several weeks short of a seasons start and lacking in motivation. In defence of Arnie, during the first half he tracked back and did some good work in defence. In the second half he looked thoroughly fed up. The team don't seem to know what to do with Diouf. He would be making runs and the ball would be going backwards, sideways and anywhere except up to Diouf. As soon as Crouch came on standing orders kicked in: knock it high for Pete and follow it up for the lay-off. It is not surprising that we looked better when he came on, the team knew how to incorporate him into the play. . Norwich at home last season, dire in the extreme. Needed Odemwingie yesterday. In fact I don't know why LMH just didn't start with the side that beat Fulham comfortably last game (without Assaidi granted). Bring the new boys in progressively off the bench if necessary later in the game. Way too much expectation and build up so a real leveller for us all I think. |
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